If The Pistons Shop Drummond.. What Would You Give Up For Him?

[Who]

Is Drummond good?  Serious question. 

OK, he's a great rebounder, but is he really much better than, say, Tristan Thompson?  He's not a good finisher, he doesn't block that many shots, he's a terrible free throw shooter, and it's unclear if he really helps a team that much on defense.


I suppose a lot of that is probably situation-specific, and maybe he'd be better on a more talented team.  Still, I'm not sure his actual value is in line with his reputation.

I'd say Drummond is a top 30 player in the league or thereabouts.

I'd rate him as an above average defensive player but not an elite one. An elite rebounder on both ends of the floor. And an average to slightly above average offensive player mainly due to his finishing and athleticism. A subpar passer.

Relative to Tristan Thompson: I'd say Drummond has an advantage in all three phases of the game - offense, defense and rebounding. Drummond is a bigger target as a cutter and roll man. Drummond has a so-so post game but it still considerably better than Thompson. Drummond's size and heft forces some double teams. Both players are fantastic offensive rebounders. Amongst the best in the league. But Drummond is also an elite defensive rebounder whereas Thompson is not. On the defensive end, Drummond's superior size makes him more intimidating for opposing teams driving to the basket & Drummond is very good at creating turnovers for a center.

[Bobshot]

I don't know if Ainge/Stevens want a player like Drummond, who is mainly an inside player.
If they don't value inside players, they aren't going to give up very much for any of them.

They seem to be at an impasse about rebounding. I'm not even sure Stevens thinks there's a problem. LOL.

I'm expecting they might do a minor deal for Bogut. That's about it.

[seancally]

Regarding foul shooting* - yes, he's awful, awful, awful. But NBA rule changes surrounding intentional fouling mean that's much less of a liability than it once was.

*EDIT - Meant to say foul shooting, not rebounding, clearly.... 

[seancally]

I'd give up a lot for him, I think he would be more motivated if he wasnt clearly the guy like he is now.  Horford, Crowder, IT and Stevens could handle him.  I'd even go as far as Bradley, Amir, Brown & Nets 17

I agree with this wholeheartedly. As a UConn fan, I remember being ecstatic with what he could do athletically, but disappointed with his lack of a killer instinct. He's gotten better in that regard, but he's no coldblooded iceman. That's not really a knock, it's just a personality thing. I think if he's not expected to be top dog, he'll fit in well.

[bdm860]

You know how sometimes you want a player to agree to an extension with you before you trade for that player?  Well in Drummond's case, I'd want him to agree to shoot free throws underhanded.

Maybe as a follow up move we trade for Chinanu Onuaku to show him how to do it.  He's shooting 100% from the line this year!

If your scared about a future NBA where guys like Embiid, Towns, and Cousins (if he ever gets out of Sactown) are the dominant forces, it wouldn't be bad to have a guy like Drummond locked up for the next 5 years, even if he never fixes his free throws.  I like Who's analysis though, he's more of a borderline All-Star than a Superstar, but I feel like he's an improved free throw style away from getting a lot closer to superstar level, maybe something similar to Alonzo Mourning impact wise (though not style wise).

[jpotter33]

Wait, are there actual reports that Drummond isn't happy and wants moved from Detroit, and would Detroit even consider it after just paying him big money and locking him up long-term?

Seems unlikely to me, though I'd give my left leg to have Drummond in Boston. He solves many, many of our problems.

[Moranis]

Wait, are there actual reports that Drummond isn't happy and wants moved from Detroit, and would Detroit even consider it after just paying him big money and locking him up long-term?

Seems unlikely to me, though I'd give my left leg to have Drummond in Boston. He solves many, many of our problems.

Nope, just one of those if he becomes available type threads without any link to anything real. 

The thing is if Detroit moves on from Drummond that means total fire sale, so I'd go after Harris as well.

Drummond and Harris

for

Brown, Johnson, Jerekbo, Zeller, Young BOS 17, BKN 18, BOS 19 (lotto prot.), MEM 19

I think that would be a reasonable trade for both teams. 

With 3 open roster spots, Boston would be

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart, Green
SF - Harris, Crowder
PF - Horford, Olynyk, Mickey
C - Drummond

Obviously Boston would need to add a veteran big guy or two, but I think that team's 8 man rotation (starters plus Smart, Crowder, Olynyk) would be a real threat to Cleveland.

[mef730]

Wait, are there actual reports that Drummond isn't happy and wants moved from Detroit, and would Detroit even consider it after just paying him big money and locking him up long-term?

Seems unlikely to me, though I'd give my left leg to have Drummond in Boston. He solves many, many of our problems.

Agreed. I would give your left leg, as well, but I'd also throw in Rozier and any two non BKN firsts. Sorry, I don't think I'm as high on him as many are.

Mike

[SHAQATTACK]

No Nets picks or Smart or Horford .

I could live with pretty much any other pieces gluing out .

[SHAQATTACK]

Wait, are there actual reports that Drummond isn't happy and wants moved from Detroit, and would Detroit even consider it after just paying him big money and locking him up long-term?

Seems unlikely to me, though I'd give my left leg to have Drummond in Boston. He solves many, many of our problems.

Brings back the kinda basketball I like best .....quick smart point guards and a brutal frontcourt of bigs .

[Phantom255x]

Wait, are there actual reports that Drummond isn't happy and wants moved from Detroit, and would Detroit even consider it after just paying him big money and locking him up long-term?

Seems unlikely to me, though I'd give my left leg to have Drummond in Boston. He solves many, many of our problems.

Well I did title this tread "If the Pistons shop..." (Key Word: "If")

I got some inspiration to post this after reading this:

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/1/12/14250688/nba-detroit-pistons-trade-deadline-pistons-video-review-andre-drummond

Their site says the Pistons are better off keeping their current team and only making small moves to try and make the playoffs, but it's likely Detroit explores other routes as well (or at least shops some guys and see what the market is for any of their players). In the site/article, they also explore somewhat what happens if they decide to make major trades.

[vjcsmoke]

I would much rather move our top pieces for Cousins than Drummond.  Drummond is so limited offensively.  His main attribute is size, athleticism, and rebounding.  But defensively he's not a shut down guy like say KG was in his prime.

I wouldn't even trade Jaylen Brown straight up for Drummond.  Those people throwing in the 17 Brooklyn pick plus other pieces just love to overpay in trade speculation.

But Drummond isn't the 3rd piece we need to contend, he's a rich man's Kendrick Perkins.

[Smokeeye123]

I would much rather move our top pieces for Cousins than Drummond.  Drummond is so limited offensively.  His main attribute is size, athleticism, and rebounding.  But defensively he's not a shut down guy like say KG was in his prime.

I wouldn't even trade Jaylen Brown straight up for Drummond.  Those people throwing in the 17 Brooklyn pick plus other pieces just love to overpay in trade speculation.

But Drummond isn't the 3rd piece we need to contend, he's a rich man's Kendrick Perkins.

Oh boy.

[byennie]

Drummond has his flaws, but Tristan Thompson and Kendrick Perkins comps? No. He's the best offensive rebounder in the league the past 3 years, it good-to-great as the finisher on a pick and roll, and a solid defensive +/-.

Dude gives you 15/15 with blocks, above average defense, and creates matchup problems. Yeah, he can't shoot a free throw, but you're going to have the best center on the floor most nights and instantly fix the team's rebounding deficiency.

Now do you trade BKN17 for him? Probably not, because that pick has almost maximum value for any draft pick at this time of year... clear #1 odds in a draft that could be 5 elite players deep. Drummond will make $20M on top of that draftee. I'd consider Amir, filler & the BKN18 pick, though, to lock in Drummond for 4 years. This assumes that pick is much risker than the '17 one.

[playdream]

Not so familiar with him but from what i read
I am willing to give up 18Nets and some 1s + amir for him
i want someone who can rebound badly