2017: Would you trade the #1 pick for Jimmy Butler ?

[boscel33]

Most wouldn't trade the no.1 pick for an established star, Butler?

That's surprising. I would.

Not sure if "no.1" is before or after the lottery. I mean, it could be no.10 after the lottery.

Either way, I'd trade it for Butler or Cousins or even Griffin--with some contract extension assurances.

The NBA is a league of stars. Draft picks are hypotheticals. It's a crapshoot of 19yos. A Butler is probably stashed away somewhere in the 2nd round.

Besides, isn't Stevens a Butler guy? 

no it couldnt.

right.  if the nets finish with the worst record, they can't fall past #3.  in this years draft, that's still a franchise player.

[Ilikesports17]

Most wouldn't trade the no.1 pick for an established star, Butler?

That's surprising. I would.

Not sure if "no.1" is before or after the lottery. I mean, it could be no.10 after the lottery.

Either way, I'd trade it for Butler or Cousins or even Griffin--with some contract extension assurances.

The NBA is a league of stars. Draft picks are hypotheticals. It's a crapshoot of 19yos. A Butler is probably stashed away somewhere in the 2nd round.

Besides, isn't Stevens a Butler guy? 

no it couldnt.

right.  if the nets finish with the worst record, they can't fall past #3*.  in this years draft, that's still a franchise player.

*#4

[saltlover]

Most wouldn't trade the no.1 pick for an established star, Butler?

That's surprising. I would.

Not sure if "no.1" is before or after the lottery. I mean, it could be no.10 after the lottery.

Either way, I'd trade it for Butler or Cousins or even Griffin--with some contract extension assurances.

The NBA is a league of stars. Draft picks are hypotheticals. It's a crapshoot of 19yos. A Butler is probably stashed away somewhere in the 2nd round.

Besides, isn't Stevens a Butler guy? 

no it couldnt.

right.  if the nets finish with the worst record, they can't fall past #3.  in this years draft, that's still a franchise player.

Close.  It can't fall more than 3 spots, so #4, which in this draft looks to be a similar quality player as #3.

[The One]

This is a very special pick. 

Obviously #1 picks post-lotto are the most valuable picks...

But in terms of having a pick to trade in January, this Brooklyn pick has to be as valuable as a pick can get.  Consider the following:  This draft is widely being called excellent up top with multiple potential stars so even if it ends up dropping into the 5-8 range, you're still ending up with a great prospect.  Brooklyn currently has the worst record in the league.  The biggest thing to consider is that you can trade for this pick without screwing it over. 

Like for instance, you could trade a star for Philly's pick right now, but then you're at risk of improving Philly enough that you'll sabotage the pick over the next few months.  On the flip side, you're not sabotaging this pick if you trade a star to Boston for it. 

Owning another team's unprotected projected top pick in a excellent draft is a very powerful asset to have.

Boston has some of the best draft assets ever in these two back-to-back Brooklyn picks.  Don't give them away for anything less than a franchise player in his prime.

This is one of the most succinct and poignant posts I've read on the topic of trading a Brooklyn pick.

[nickagneta]

Jimmy Butler is averaging:

25.0 PPG
6.7 RPG
4.6 APG
47.9 FG%
34.1 3PT%
87.9 FT%
26 PER
58.7 TS%
.247 WS/48.

Those are superstar franchise player stats. Just because Chicago might trade him doesn't mske him a non-superstar. Melo, CP3 and Love got traded. Dwight Howard was traded. Superstars/franchise players get traded. It doesn't preclude them from being superstars.

I would send Crowder, 2017 Brooklyn 1st, Memphis 1st, Yabusele and filler.

IT/Smart/Rozier
Bradley/Green
Butler/Brown
Horford/Jerebko
Johnson/KO

Thats a great 11 man rotation worthy of an ECF appearance. If Zizic can come over and play as well as he has overseas and/or we trade picks and Rozier for Noel even better. The Celtics would be one of the best offenses and defenses in the league.

[Ilikesports17]

This is a very special pick. 

Obviously #1 picks post-lotto are the most valuable picks...

But in terms of having a pick to trade in January, this Brooklyn pick has to be as valuable as a pick can get.  Consider the following:  This draft is widely being called excellent up top with multiple potential stars so even if it ends up dropping into the 5-8 range, you're still ending up with a great prospect.  Brooklyn currently has the worst record in the league.  The biggest thing to consider is that you can trade for this pick without screwing it over. 

Like for instance, you could trade a star for Philly's pick right now, but then you're at risk of improving Philly enough that you'll sabotage the pick over the next few months.  On the flip side, you're not sabotaging this pick if you trade a star to Boston for it. 

Owning another team's unprotected projected top pick in a excellent draft is a very powerful asset to have.

Boston has some of the best draft assets ever in these two back-to-back Brooklyn picks.  Don't give them away for anything less than a franchise player in his prime.

This is one of the most succinct and poignant posts I've read on the topic of trading a Brooklyn pick.

poignant? really?

[Chris22]

Butler was 0-6 with 1 point in 29 minutes in his last game.
LOL

[tankcity!]

Jimmy Butler is averaging:

25.0 PPG
6.7 RPG
4.6 APG
47.9 FG%
34.1 3PT%
87.9 FT%
26 PER
58.7 TS%
.247 WS/48.

Those are superstar franchise player stats. Just because Chicago might trade him doesn't mske him a non-superstar. Melo, CP3 and Love got traded. Dwight Howard was traded. Superstars/franchise players get traded. It doesn't preclude them from being superstars.

I would send Crowder, 2017 Brooklyn 1st, Memphis 1st, Yabusele and filler.

IT/Smart/Rozier
Bradley/Green
Butler/Brown
Horford/Jerebko
Johnson/KO

Thats a great 11 man rotation worthy of an ECF appearance. If Zizic can come over and play as well as he has overseas and/or we trade picks and Rozier for Noel even better. The Celtics would be one of the best offenses and defenses in the league.

I'm still not a believer. This reminds me of the Kevin Love hype. All star for sure, but he's not a franchise player.

[Ilikesports17]

Butler was 0-6 with 1 point in 29 minutes in his last game.
LOL

he is sick. He was sick that morning and wont play today. The same illness has caused several high profile guys to miss games.

Still a disappointing output, but Ill cut him a bit of slack.

[Phantom255x]

Jimmy Butler is averaging:

25.0 PPG
6.7 RPG
4.6 APG
47.9 FG%
34.1 3PT%
87.9 FT%
26 PER
58.7 TS%
.247 WS/48.

Those are superstar franchise player stats. Just because Chicago might trade him doesn't mske him a non-superstar. Melo, CP3 and Love got traded. Dwight Howard was traded. Superstars/franchise players get traded. It doesn't preclude them from being superstars.

I would send Crowder, 2017 Brooklyn 1st, Memphis 1st, Yabusele and filler.

IT/Smart/Rozier
Bradley/Green
Butler/Brown
Horford/Jerebko
Johnson/KO

Thats a great 11 man rotation worthy of an ECF appearance. If Zizic can come over and play as well as he has overseas and/or we trade picks and Rozier for Noel even better. The Celtics would be one of the best offenses and defenses in the league.

The thing is, while CP3/Love/Melo are great players, it's fair to say they aren't the "alpha" on a team (even the Knicks might decide to move on from Melo at the deadline or this summer).

This team needs an alpha. Isaiah Thomas I view as a #2 or #3 piece on a contending team, but not the alpha, and I'm not saying that as a bad thing, but let me ask you this. Is Kyrie Irving the alpha on the Cavaliers? No, that's Lebron. BUT Irving is definitely a key piece, don't you think?