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The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« on: January 08, 2017, 01:30:49 AM »

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That pace would put us towards the top including Cleveland and Golden State. I concede there is a big difference between regular season and playoffs. It's akin to the D-League. There is no credit for doing well there. It only means something if a player is mediocre or worse.

No, the great pace when healthy doesn't make us a championship contender. However, if they weren't performing this well during the regular season, we'd be back to saying we are three players away or some number like that. We'd be crying about Cousins and Butler somewhere over the rainbow. Some people are still like that. Not me. I can wait by the month, by the half year, from year to year. Danny said sometimes the best move is doing nothing. That sounds like what I just said. Change is going to happen whether we like it or not. Philadelphia talks about the process, but we don't have a solid process in development as good as anyone?

There is always a next team in line for the throne. That is the Boston Celtics. Danny pulled it off. He lucked out with Brooklyn big time.

Fans are starting to come around and see that we are not so far away from truly contending. If we win 55 games, folks are not going to care if a lot of them weren't so impressive, such as close escapes with Philly.

Our team was under pressure to pile up wins and that's exactly what they have just done.

All indications are that we have made the leap from mediocre good to above average good.

It will hurt if Avery has a serious injury. Hopefully he will be back and 100% healthy.

I can't see Danny doing nothing, but he really doesn't have to do anything major. There seem to be a lot of centers available in trades. Zeller can't do it. He had every opportunity to fill the need. Currently Amir Johnson has stepped forward to play the big man role.

I think Danny should add a center. If that means Zizac, then bring him in. We need a bruising, tough big center so we don't have to rely on David versus Goliath scenarios.

Horford and Olynyk are more finesse than tough. They are not chopped liver for centers, but we all know we are missing a bit of center grit. It doesn't have to be Cousins. A lot of the games we don't seem to even need another center. But we know we do. Horford and Olynyk could then play more power forward.

The trading deadline is getting closer and closer.

Only four games to go and half the season will have been completed.

The last two games were sluggish. Hopefully we are in good spirits for the showdown in Toronto. That will be the opposite of a cupcake game.

Beating bad teams doesn't seem to prove much. They only help to prove we are above average for a good team. They solidify that we are a top eight NBA team. They don't prove we can be scary good when the pressure will truly be on. On the other hand, there's no reason to expect the worst. I saw some Celtics Bloggers are worried about the Bucks who we'd face if the season had ended. Show a bit more faith than that, please.

Danny does need to do something, even if it's just a little maneuver or two, or else it will be fairly much pipe dreaming to expect 100% health and stamina, the current precursors to whether or not we will become the team no one wants to face in the playoffs.

We learned the last two years that if we are not healthy, we don't have enough talent to overcome being banged up. We did not learn that we are a lousy playoff team. Save that for the Clippers who proved that about themselves.

We need the additional center as much to be able to preserve Horford and Johnson as to grow the team. They will be a big part of any Cinderella dreams. It'd be nice to be able to throw a youngish Perk type center in there for fifteen minutes or more against teams with giants. Then Horford, Amir and Olynyk can do their things and not be expected to do so much outside of their general niches.

Jared Sullinger at six foot eight or nine weighing 300 pounds was a better center than Zeller.

Guys collecting charity money at the end of the bench need to leave. That's not Celtic's Pride. Sullinger betrayed us by becoming fat. Tyler Zeller betrayed us by never improving at center defense.

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2017, 01:53:19 AM »

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We still have just 1 marquee win. Huge opportunity for this squad to make a statement on Tuesday.

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
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We still have just 1 marquee win. Huge opportunity for this squad to make a statement on Tuesday.

I'm not sure they have any marquee wins.  They have 5 high quality wins (Mem x 2, Cha x 2, Uta), and a handful of other wins against lower rung playoff teams, but they haven't beaten anyone who is a legit contender.

I don't think Toronto is a legit contender either, so it'd just be another high quality win, not a marquee win.  But beating Toronto would still be good, especially if they can close the gap and maybe take the #2 seed.

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2017, 02:40:32 AM »

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We still have just 1 marquee win. Huge opportunity for this squad to make a statement on Tuesday.

I'm not sure they have any marquee wins.  They have 5 high quality wins (Mem x 2, Cha x 2, Uta), and a handful of other wins against lower rung playoff teams, but they haven't beaten anyone who is a legit contender.

I don't think Toronto is a legit contender either, so it'd just be another high quality win, not a marquee win.  But beating Toronto would still be good, especially if they can close the gap and maybe take the #2 seed.
Yeah I don't count charlotte for some reason and Utah was without George hill and Memphis was without Conley in one game.

Full strength Memphis  was a really good win.

I think beating Toronto in Toronto with the implications that brings would be a legit marquee win.

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2017, 03:39:13 AM »

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We still have just 1 marquee win. Huge opportunity for this squad to make a statement on Tuesday.

I'm not sure they have any marquee wins.  They have 5 high quality wins (Mem x 2, Cha x 2, Uta), and a handful of other wins against lower rung playoff teams, but they haven't beaten anyone who is a legit contender.

I don't think Toronto is a legit contender either, so it'd just be another high quality win, not a marquee win.  But beating Toronto would still be good, especially if they can close the gap and maybe take the #2 seed.
Yeah I don't count charlotte for some reason and Utah was without George hill and Memphis was without Conley in one game.

Full strength Memphis  was a really good win.

I think beating Toronto in Toronto with the implications that brings would be a legit marquee win.

It would. Also, this upcoming game is a great chance to see two, in my opinion, all star starting guards in DeRozan and Isaiah Thomas square off against each other. I hope you guys voted Thomas as a starter because he surely deserves it.
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Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 05:26:23 AM »

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That pace would put us towards the top including Cleveland and Golden State. I concede there is a big difference between regular season and playoffs. It's akin to the D-League. There is no credit for doing well there. It only means something if a player is mediocre or worse.

No, the great pace when healthy doesn't make us a championship contender. However, if they weren't performing this well during the regular season, we'd be back to saying we are three players away or some number like that. We'd be crying about Cousins and Butler somewhere over the rainbow. Some people are still like that. Not me. I can wait by the month, by the half year, from year to year. Danny said sometimes the best move is doing nothing. That sounds like what I just said. Change is going to happen whether we like it or not. Philadelphia talks about the process, but we don't have a solid process in development as good as anyone?

There is always a next team in line for the throne. That is the Boston Celtics. Danny pulled it off. He lucked out with Brooklyn big time.

Fans are starting to come around and see that we are not so far away from truly contending. If we win 55 games, folks are not going to care if a lot of them weren't so impressive, such as close escapes with Philly.

Our team was under pressure to pile up wins and that's exactly what they have just done.

All indications are that we have made the leap from mediocre good to above average good.

It will hurt if Avery has a serious injury. Hopefully he will be back and 100% healthy.

I can't see Danny doing nothing, but he really doesn't have to do anything major. There seem to be a lot of centers available in trades. Zeller can't do it. He had every opportunity to fill the need. Currently Amir Johnson has stepped forward to play the big man role.

I think Danny should add a center. If that means Zizac, then bring him in. We need a bruising, tough big center so we don't have to rely on David versus Goliath scenarios.

Horford and Olynyk are more finesse than tough. They are not chopped liver for centers, but we all know we are missing a bit of center grit. It doesn't have to be Cousins. A lot of the games we don't seem to even need another center. But we know we do. Horford and Olynyk could then play more power forward.

The trading deadline is getting closer and closer.

Only four games to go and half the season will have been completed.

The last two games were sluggish. Hopefully we are in good spirits for the showdown in Toronto. That will be the opposite of a cupcake game.

Beating bad teams doesn't seem to prove much. They only help to prove we are above average for a good team. They solidify that we are a top eight NBA team. They don't prove we can be scary good when the pressure will truly be on. On the other hand, there's no reason to expect the worst. I saw some Celtics Bloggers are worried about the Bucks who we'd face if the season had ended. Show a bit more faith than that, please.

Danny does need to do something, even if it's just a little maneuver or two, or else it will be fairly much pipe dreaming to expect 100% health and stamina, the current precursors to whether or not we will become the team no one wants to face in the playoffs.

We learned the last two years that if we are not healthy, we don't have enough talent to overcome being banged up. We did not learn that we are a lousy playoff team. Save that for the Clippers who proved that about themselves.

We need the additional center as much to be able to preserve Horford and Johnson as to grow the team. They will be a big part of any Cinderella dreams. It'd be nice to be able to throw a youngish Perk type center in there for fifteen minutes or more against teams with giants. Then Horford, Amir and Olynyk can do their things and not be expected to do so much outside of their general niches.

Jared Sullinger at six foot eight or nine weighing 300 pounds was a better center than Zeller.

Guys collecting charity money at the end of the bench need to leave. That's not Celtic's Pride. Sullinger betrayed us by becoming fat. Tyler Zeller betrayed us by never improving at center defense.

I agree with everything except your Clipper playofff statement.  They were injured big time last year in the playoffs.  We Need a Center!!!!

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 08:06:40 AM »

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adding zizic during season would be a disaster-it would be a free pass to the foul line-nobody could adjust to nba that quickly
stevens said how much he feared gerald green and green unhampered by hip flexor has not only heated up ,he has been a prime example of veteran presence and how to produce when you get played
rozier has stopped pressing and returned to the rebounding and a defensive  presence that a near rookie has to do while learning-his shot will come back-just take what is given
,he pulled up on a 1-4 fast break
marcus is finally having a run at being healthy
now the announcers have even noted his quarter ending and time running out shots are miss leading-pun intended
smart to me is playing point guard like a point guard, distributing,backing down smaller players ,getting into paint to pass and being able to knock down open threes
since isaiah and avery are scoring and his playing with horford
 marcus has altered his game and it shows a patience and true point guard potential

brown learning on the fly and is allowed his flubs(note pun and alliteration)

crowder  has lived under the sword of damocles being linked to trades -he loves boston -loyalty should cut both ways  but i'm from a different celtics era at least the press and management  seemed not to publicize  the want to trade
-the industry of rumors and the net are so immediate and pervasive,so insidious,so exagerating
always needing to be fed-ditch the twitter during the season

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Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 08:41:57 AM »

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We are good, but Golden State, San Antonio, and Cleveland are better.
We are the Butler of the NBA.

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 08:42:50 AM »

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adding zizic during season would be a disaster-it would be a free pass to the foul line-nobody could adjust to nba that quickly
stevens said how much he feared gerald green and green unhampered by hip flexor has not only heated up ,he has been a prime example of veteran presence and how to produce when you get played
rozier has stopped pressing and returned to the rebounding and a defensive  presence that a near rookie has to do while learning-his shot will come back-just take what is given
marcus is finally having a run at being healthy
now the announcers are even noted his quarter ending and time running out shots are miss leading-pun intended
smart to me is playing point guard like a point guard, distributing,backing down smaller players ,getting into paint to pass and being able to knock down open threes
since isaiah and avery are scoring and his playing with horford
 marcus has altered his game and it shows a patience and true point guard potential

brown learning on the fly and is allowed his flubs

crowder  has lived under the sword of damocles being linked to trades -he loves boston -loyalty should cut both ways  but i'm from a different celtics era at least the press and management  seemed not to publicize  the want to trade
-the industry of rumors and the net are so immediate and pervasive,so insidious,so exagerating
always needing to be fed-ditch the twitter during the season

red claws play a 1 oclock game can be watched live
Love the post Rollie. Tp for you sir. I really like your insights. Thanks for the posts.
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Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 09:08:32 AM »

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We still have just 1 marquee win. Huge opportunity for this squad to make a statement on Tuesday.

I'm not sure they have any marquee wins.  They have 5 high quality wins (Mem x 2, Cha x 2, Uta), and a handful of other wins against lower rung playoff teams, but they haven't beaten anyone who is a legit contender.

I don't think Toronto is a legit contender either, so it'd just be another high quality win, not a marquee win.  But beating Toronto would still be good, especially if they can close the gap and maybe take the #2 seed.

Against the teams I assume you think are marquee, they have had some close games that they probably should have won.  @HOU is the obvious one.  SA @ home was close and they lead in the 4th. 

As it stands, against the teams who have better winning pct (GSW, CLE, SA, HOU, TOR), the Celtics are winless.  I can't say that they have shown enough for me to consider them as good as these teams yet, but recent play is certainly going in that direction.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 09:14:21 AM »

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So the only teams who have been able to beat us when healthy are CLE, SA, HOU, OKC, and Detroit?

Is anybody really bummed out by that?
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 09:16:43 AM »

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So the only teams who have been able to beat us when healthy are CLE, SA, HOU, OKC, and Detroit?

Is anybody really bummed out by that?

I'm bummed out every time we lose to Cleveland, because the refs let Lebron walk and commit offensive fouls at will.

Re: The Celtics are 15-5 with a healthy starting lineup
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 09:41:34 AM »

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Reminds me of Doc always talking about the 08 lineup being undefeated when healthy.  Who cares? 

There is winning, there is losing. 15-5 doesn't mean anything when the ball goes up against Cleveland. I doubt they're very concerned facing our 15-5 lineup. We would be lucky to steal 2 games. Or even one. We are terribly overmatched at every position.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 09:46:51 AM »

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So the only teams who have been able to beat us when healthy are CLE, SA, HOU, OKC, and Detroit?

Is anybody really bummed out by that?

Yea, I'm bummed out about HOU, OKC, and Pistons.  We shouldn't lose to those teams.

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So the only teams who have been able to beat us when healthy are CLE, SA, HOU, OKC, and Detroit?

Is anybody really bummed out by that?

Yea, I'm bummed out about HOU, OKC, and Pistons.  We shouldn't lose to those teams.

But you do know that teams lose to teams that are worse than them over the course of an 82 game season right?  Quite often actually.

The fact that we beat the other 15 teams should soften the blow right?  Plus the fact that we beat another 8 teams short-handed.
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