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« Reply #1215 on: November 17, 2018, 07:15:21 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.

That take is scorching hot.
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Re: All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)
« Reply #1216 on: November 17, 2018, 08:39:41 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.

That take is scorching hot.
Covington was neither a 1st round pick not even first signed by Philly.  Plus Okafor and Noel were already on the team so they weren't draft busts since then.

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« Reply #1217 on: November 17, 2018, 09:01:14 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.
So much wrong.  3 years ago they didn't have Simmons on their roster.  He was in college at LSU.  Noel and Okafor were already on their roster 3 years ago.  Covington wasn't a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder.  Covington was an undrafted D-leaguer.  Fultz is unlikely to prove himself worthy of being a #1 pick but he's not going to be a bust. 

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« Reply #1218 on: November 17, 2018, 09:55:43 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.
So much wrong.  3 years ago they didn't have Simmons on their roster.  He was in college at LSU.  Noel and Okafor were already on their roster 3 years ago.  Covington wasn't a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder.  Covington was an undrafted D-leaguer.  Fultz is unlikely to prove himself worthy of being a #1 pick but he's not going to be a bust.
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« Reply #1219 on: November 17, 2018, 10:33:37 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.
So much wrong.  3 years ago they didn't have Simmons on their roster.  He was in college at LSU.  Noel and Okafor were already on their roster 3 years ago.  Covington wasn't a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder.  Covington was an undrafted D-leaguer.  Fultz is unlikely to prove himself worthy of being a #1 pick but he's not going to be a bust.

Mea culpa on Covington. However, this is Simmons third season in the NBA. So I'm assuming that's what the article you cited meant. Moreover, since that time period Okafor and Noel proved to be busts and they received peanuts for them. Fultz is on a clear path to being to being a bust. He could have a decent pro career, but a player taken at #1, with so much hype surrounding him, and turning into anything but a star is a bust. Not to mention they could've taken superior players (Tatum, Fox, etc.) AND kept the Kings pick.

Back to Saric and Covington....2 players on really nice contracts were traded away to pay a sulky Butler close to 40M at age 32, 40M at at age 33, and over 44M at age 35. Lucky them.

I know everything that the Sixers crap smells like roses to you, but seriously even you must realize there actual success rate was minimal vs the amount of chances (aka top picks) they had.

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« Reply #1220 on: November 17, 2018, 10:36:01 PM »

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« Reply #1221 on: November 17, 2018, 11:30:55 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.
So much wrong.  3 years ago they didn't have Simmons on their roster.  He was in college at LSU.  Noel and Okafor were already on their roster 3 years ago.  Covington wasn't a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder.  Covington was an undrafted D-leaguer.  Fultz is unlikely to prove himself worthy of being a #1 pick but he's not going to be a bust.

Mea culpa on Covington. However, this is Simmons third season in the NBA. So I'm assuming that's what the article you cited meant. Moreover, since that time period Okafor and Noel proved to be busts and they received peanuts for them. Fultz is on a clear path to being to being a bust. He could have a decent pro career, but a player taken at #1, with so much hype surrounding him, and turning into anything but a star is a bust. Not to mention they could've taken superior players (Tatum, Fox, etc.) AND kept the Kings pick.

Back to Saric and Covington....2 players on really nice contracts were traded away to pay a sulky Butler close to 40M at age 32, 40M at at age 33, and over 44M at age 35. Lucky them.

I know everything that the Sixers crap smells like roses to you, but seriously even you must realize there actual success rate was minimal vs the amount of chances (aka top picks) they had.
Your assumptions are as wrong as your facts.  3 years ago means 3 years ago.  Or per the article: 

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T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.

That​ was​ the​ starting lineup when the​ Philadelphia 76ers​​ took the court against the Dallas Mavericks three years ago today, on their way to an 11th consecutive loss to start the 2015-16 season. The team would hit a low point a few weeks later when it fell to 1-30.

To look at the starting lineup that will take the court tonight — Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Wilson Chandler and Joel Embiid — provides a staggering contrast, an accumulation of high-end talent that has moved the Sixers from doormat to contender quicker than most would have imagined.

I wouldn't have made the Fultz trade either.  It was highly likely that he would have been available at #3 anyway.  So yes that was a dumb move by Colangelo.  To write a top draft pick off at the beginning of their 2nd season is a really dumb thing to do.  I'll bet you said the same thing about Embiid. 

Covington and Saric are good role players.  That's all they are going to be.  Trading 2 role players for a star in his prime is not hard decision except for the possibility of it being a 1 year rental.  Simmons drops down to their 3rd best player and Fultz gets to develop without the pressure of being a starter. 

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« Reply #1222 on: November 17, 2018, 11:58:22 PM »

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From a The Athletic article, 3 years ago the Sixers starting lineup was T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.  Now it is Simmons, Redick, Butler, Chandler and Embiid.  Night and day difference.

3 years ago they still had Embiid and Simmons on the roster, so in theory the only thing that's changed is that they wasted 3 high draft picks on busts (Noel, Okafor, Fultz), traded away the Kings first/Tatum for Fultz, and traded way 2 more 1st rd selections (Saric and Covington) for the right to massively overpay Butler for the next 5 years. Not exactly stellar regardless of how much spin you put on it.
So much wrong.  3 years ago they didn't have Simmons on their roster.  He was in college at LSU.  Noel and Okafor were already on their roster 3 years ago.  Covington wasn't a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder.  Covington was an undrafted D-leaguer.  Fultz is unlikely to prove himself worthy of being a #1 pick but he's not going to be a bust.

Mea culpa on Covington. However, this is Simmons third season in the NBA. So I'm assuming that's what the article you cited meant. Moreover, since that time period Okafor and Noel proved to be busts and they received peanuts for them. Fultz is on a clear path to being to being a bust. He could have a decent pro career, but a player taken at #1, with so much hype surrounding him, and turning into anything but a star is a bust. Not to mention they could've taken superior players (Tatum, Fox, etc.) AND kept the Kings pick.

Back to Saric and Covington....2 players on really nice contracts were traded away to pay a sulky Butler close to 40M at age 32, 40M at at age 33, and over 44M at age 35. Lucky them.

I know everything that the Sixers crap smells like roses to you, but seriously even you must realize there actual success rate was minimal vs the amount of chances (aka top picks) they had.
Your assumptions are as wrong as your facts.  3 years ago means 3 years ago.  Or per the article: 

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T.J.​ McConnell,​ Nik Stauskas,​ Jerami Grant, Nerlens​ Noel​ and​ Jahlil Okafor.

That​ was​ the​ starting lineup when the​ Philadelphia 76ers​​ took the court against the Dallas Mavericks three years ago today, on their way to an 11th consecutive loss to start the 2015-16 season. The team would hit a low point a few weeks later when it fell to 1-30.

To look at the starting lineup that will take the court tonight — Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Wilson Chandler and Joel Embiid — provides a staggering contrast, an accumulation of high-end talent that has moved the Sixers from doormat to contender quicker than most would have imagined.

I wouldn't have made the Fultz trade either.  It was highly likely that he would have been available at #3 anyway.  So yes that was a dumb move by Colangelo.  To write a top draft pick off at the beginning of their 2nd season is a really dumb thing to do.  I'll bet you said the same thing about Embiid. 

Covington and Saric are good role players.  That's all they are going to be.  Trading 2 role players for a star in his prime is not hard decision except for the possibility of it being a 1 year rental.  Simmons drops down to their 3rd best player and Fultz gets to develop without the pressure of being a starter.
To be honest, I think Fultz is taking on more the career path of Anthony Bennett than Joel Embiid. Not your best comparison.

Fultz has obvious mental issues. Not personally, but basketball wise. He seems to have a major case of the yips, which we have seen with other professional athletes, could be career ending. And he has just shown none of the ability he showed for half a season in college when he was playing a pretty easy schedule.

I agree with Eddie. Fultz looks like an absolute bust, even if early in his second season. Heck, it was pretty evident to everyone but Sixer fans that Okafor was a bust mid way through his second season. I don't think, in some cases, it's too early to call a bust. Heck, just look at James Young, Yabusele, Jordan Mickey and others on the Celtics like JJJ and Giddens to know that after one season they would never be NBA players. I don't care if they were later picks and Fultz went #1. Sometimes you can just see the obvious very early

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« Reply #1223 on: November 18, 2018, 07:00:02 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

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« Reply #1224 on: November 18, 2018, 07:19:38 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

This is absolute nonsense. The only thing your list surmises is that a lot of #6 picks have been busts. You can try to move goalposts all across the field, but the fact remains that Noel was a compete bust. You should go to a Sixers forum and post your gem of a post and see how it's received.

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« Reply #1225 on: November 18, 2018, 07:23:52 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

This is absolute nonsense. The only thing your list surmises is that a lot of #6 picks have been busts. You can try to move goalposts all across the field, but the fact remains that Noel was a compete bust. You should go to a Sixers forum and post your gem of a post and see how it's received.
If you get a player that is about average for the draft slot that player isn't a bust.  I'm sorry that facts got in the way of your rant.

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« Reply #1226 on: November 18, 2018, 07:31:57 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

This is absolute nonsense. The only thing your list surmises is that a lot of #6 picks have been busts. You can try to move goalposts all across the field, but the fact remains that Noel was a compete bust. You should go to a Sixers forum and post your gem of a post and see how it's received.
If you get a player that is about average for the draft slot that player isn't a bust.  I'm sorry that facts got in the way of your rant.
Being in line with the production of other people taken in your slot has nothing to do with being a bust though. Noel has failed to meet expectations, has regressed throughout his career, has bounced around the league at age 25 and has been worse than numerous players taken behind him. That’s a bust

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« Reply #1227 on: November 18, 2018, 07:37:43 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

This is absolute nonsense. The only thing your list surmises is that a lot of #6 picks have been busts. You can try to move goalposts all across the field, but the fact remains that Noel was a compete bust. You should go to a Sixers forum and post your gem of a post and see how it's received.
If you get a player that is about average for the draft slot that player isn't a bust.  I'm sorry that facts got in the way of your rant.

I'm sure that's what Sixers fans say. During his career the only people that valued Noel were the hot dog vendors in Dallas. Speaking of Dallas, he was a routine DNP-CD there, which was one of the worst teams in basketball. They were even playing Powell, Mejri, and Kleber over him. You using some silly argument that he's a rotation player on team that has serious depth issues and has just a few games better record than the Kings would be akin to arguing Zaza is a good player because, you know, he was a starter on the Warriors.

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« Reply #1228 on: November 18, 2018, 07:43:44 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

This is absolute nonsense. The only thing your list surmises is that a lot of #6 picks have been busts. You can try to move goalposts all across the field, but the fact remains that Noel was a compete bust. You should go to a Sixers forum and post your gem of a post and see how it's received.
If you get a player that is about average for the draft slot that player isn't a bust.  I'm sorry that facts got in the way of your rant.
Being in line with the production of other people taken in your slot has nothing to do with being a bust though. Noel has failed to meet expectations, has regressed throughout his career, has bounced around the league at age 25 and has been worse than numerous players taken behind him. That’s a bust
Even looking at the 2013 draft Noel still almost certainly be a top 10 pick in a redraft as the only players that have clearly performed better than him are Giannis, Gobert, Oladipo, Adams, Porter, McCollum, and Olynyk (Covington wasn't drafted, but would also be ahead of him in a redraft).  He'd be somewhere in the next group with Schroder, Plumlee, Zeller, Roberson, Hardaway, KCP, and Dieng (I think he probably goes ahead of those guys, but Schroder and Hardaway are close enough I wouldn't quibble too much if someone preferred either of them).

No question Noel started off great.  You don't see too many rookies finish in the top 10 in blocks and steals, but his career has still ended up about what you would typically expect both as a 6th pick historically and not that far off from his original draft slot if you were to re-draft that draft now.

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« Reply #1229 on: November 18, 2018, 07:49:41 AM »

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Noel is a rotation level player on one of the best teams in basketball.  As a 6th pick that is about what you get on average.  For example, his WS/48 are .107 which is good enough for 15th all time among 6th picks.  his total win shares currently has him at 36th of 72 all time 6th picks.  He will move up another 4 or 5 spots this season if he continues at his current pace.  He is 10th among 6th picks in rebounds per game and is 34th in points per game. 

In other words, I have a hard time calling Noel a bust.  He is about what you normally get from the 6th pick.  I mean these are the 6th picks starting with the most recent going back to our very own Antoine Walker.

Bamba, Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari, Jianlian, Roy, Webster, Childress, Kaman, Wagner, Battier, DeMarr Johnson, Szczerbiak, Traylor, Mercer, Walker

This is not exactly a whose who of greatness.  Sure you have guys like Lillard in there, but Noel, even right now might be in the top half of that list, with plenty of time to move up it.

This is absolute nonsense. The only thing your list surmises is that a lot of #6 picks have been busts. You can try to move goalposts all across the field, but the fact remains that Noel was a compete bust. You should go to a Sixers forum and post your gem of a post and see how it's received.
If you get a player that is about average for the draft slot that player isn't a bust.  I'm sorry that facts got in the way of your rant.

I'm sure that's what Sixers fans say. During his career the only people that valued Noel were the hot dog vendors in Dallas. Speaking of Dallas, he was a routine DNP-CD there, which was one of the worst teams in basketball. They were even playing Powell, Mejri, and Kleber over him. You using some silly argument that he's a rotation player on team that has serious depth issues and has just a few games better record than the Kings would be akin to arguing Zaza is a good player because, you know, he was a starter on the Warriors.
Noel is playing 14 mpg a game for the 2nd seed in the West.  He is back to his unbelievable defensive prowess he showed off in his rookie year as he is blocking 1.4 shots per game in that 14 minutes for a BLK% of 8.7.  His DBPM is 6.4 and his DRTG is 95 (the next closest player on his team is 101).  His PER is 24.3, his TRB% is 20.6, his STL% is 3.4, he isn't turning the ball over much, and his WS/48 is .28.   

Noel is in the rotation for the 2nd best team in the West not because they don't have depth, but because he is playing quite well especially defensively.

 

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