All Things Philadelphia 76ers (merged Sixers threads)

[Ogaju]

If you aint tanking you ain't trying, and you ain't tanking till you get beat.

[Celtics18]

They've still got work to do.  I'm highly skeptical that the Sixers will reach an NBA final within the next decade.

I would say both of those statements apply to both Philly and Boston... And every other team not named Cleveland or Golden State.

Given that, I don't see why Philadelphia is being so widely lauded for having one of the worst cumulative three year win/loss percentages in league history?

I mean, they won a total of 47 games over the course of the last three years combined!  Yuck.

Now, Philly fans say it was all worth it, because they might eke out an eighth seed playoff spot?  Low expectations, much?

[tazzmaniac]

Joel Embiid has been impressive--very, very impressive.  That's undeniable.  But, the reports proclaiming Hinkie's "process" a slam dunk victory are premature.  Having a young stud like Embiid doesn't come close to ensuring that your team will be competing for titles year in and year out.

They've still got work to do.  I'm highly skeptical that the Sixers will reach an NBA final within the next decade.

Unless Colangelo screws it up, the Sixers should become a contender.  Having a young dominant 2 way center makes putting a contender much easier.  It also helps that he's got a great personality.  I would not be surprised to see good free agents start to consider the Sixers because of Embiid.  Making the finals is hard but, assuming Embiid stays healthy, I have more confidence that the Sixers will do so than we will within the next decade. 

[Celtics18]

Joel Embiid has been impressive--very, very impressive.  That's undeniable.  But, the reports proclaiming Hinkie's "process" a slam dunk victory are premature.  Having a young stud like Embiid doesn't come close to ensuring that your team will be competing for titles year in and year out.

They've still got work to do.  I'm highly skeptical that the Sixers will reach an NBA final within the next decade.

Unless Colangelo screws it up, the Sixers should become a contender.  Having a young dominant 2 way center makes putting a contender much easier.  It also helps that he's got a great personality.  I would not be surprised to see good free agents start to consider the Sixers because of Embiid.  Making the finals is hard but, assuming Embiid stays healthy, I have more confidence that the Sixers will do so than we will within the next decade.

How does having a great personality help?  Are the Sixers closer to contention than the Bucks or the Wolves or the Pelicans or even the Knicks or the Pacers? 

I don't know.  I just think this Sixers team is getting a bit overhyped right now.  Good for Embiid.  I'm happy for him that he's turning into a star and that he's the new shiny thing in the NBA.  I want to see him--and his team--play at this level for a bit more than a week and a half before I declare the Sixers the next NBA dynasty, though.

[celticsclay]

3 years ago majority of this board whined and beat their chest about us not creating a losing culture.  A smokescreen excuse to make you feel good is all it is.  Philly did it right.   They got stars and built around them.  We got mediocre players and no stars.  Nice work ainge.  Thank go we're in the playoffs and losing every year with our winning culture

We've got a guy that may lead the league in scoring, was voted a starter for the all star game by his fellow players and coaches and most have number 5 or so in the MVP race. But we don't have a star?

[celticsclay]

It was never a "losing culture".  It was an injury culture.   Now they are a little healthy and looking good.  Imagine if they ever get fully healthy.  Oof.

[tazzmaniac]

Joel Embiid has been impressive--very, very impressive.  That's undeniable.  But, the reports proclaiming Hinkie's "process" a slam dunk victory are premature.  Having a young stud like Embiid doesn't come close to ensuring that your team will be competing for titles year in and year out.

They've still got work to do.  I'm highly skeptical that the Sixers will reach an NBA final within the next decade.

Unless Colangelo screws it up, the Sixers should become a contender.  Having a young dominant 2 way center makes putting a contender much easier.  It also helps that he's got a great personality.  I would not be surprised to see good free agents start to consider the Sixers because of Embiid.  Making the finals is hard but, assuming Embiid stays healthy, I have more confidence that the Sixers will do so than we will within the next decade.

How does having a great personality help?  Are the Sixers closer to contention than the Bucks or the Wolves or the Pelicans or even the Knicks or the Pacers? 

I don't know.  I just think this Sixers team is getting a bit overhyped right now.  Good for Embiid.  I'm happy for him that he's turning into a star and that he's the new shiny thing in the NBA.  I want to see him--and his team--play at this level for a bit more than a week and a half before I declare the Sixers the next NBA dynasty, though.

Great personality always helps.  Embiid will be a good recruiter for the Sixers.  If you actually compare the situations of the teams you mentioned, the Sixers situation is very favorable.  The Sixers have comparable or better young talent, better draft picks over the next 3 years and much better cap space.  The Pelicans, Knicks and Pacers are to varying degrees each a mess with limited chance for near term improvement.  Don't particularly like the TWolves young core.  They need to move someone and bring in a defensive leader because Wiggins, LaVine and Towns certainly don't fill that need.  I like what the Bucks are doing focusing on building around Giannis.  Getting Middleton back will certainly help.  Parker needs to bring more to the table than scoring. 

[jdz101]

Joel Embiid has been impressive--very, very impressive.  That's undeniable.  But, the reports proclaiming Hinkie's "process" a slam dunk victory are premature.  Having a young stud like Embiid doesn't come close to ensuring that your team will be competing for titles year in and year out.

They've still got work to do.  I'm highly skeptical that the Sixers will reach an NBA final within the next decade.

The most overhyped 10 game below .500 fringe playoff spot team in NBA history.

They've beaten two good teams all year.

Without the veteran presence they added in the offseason they're still bottom 5 teams in the league.
Unless Colangelo screws it up, the Sixers should become a contender.  Having a young dominant 2 way center makes putting a contender much easier.  It also helps that he's got a great personality.  I would not be surprised to see good free agents start to consider the Sixers because of Embiid.  Making the finals is hard but, assuming Embiid stays healthy, I have more confidence that the Sixers will do so than we will within the next decade.

How does having a great personality help?  Are the Sixers closer to contention than the Bucks or the Wolves or the Pelicans or even the Knicks or the Pacers? 

I don't know.  I just think this Sixers team is getting a bit overhyped right now.  Good for Embiid.  I'm happy for him that he's turning into a star and that he's the new shiny thing in the NBA.  I want to see him--and his team--play at this level for a bit more than a week and a half before I declare the Sixers the next NBA dynasty, though.

[greece66]

It was never a "losing culture".  It was an injury culture.   Now they are a little healthy and looking good.  Imagine if they ever get fully healthy. Oof.

They won't finish last? Enter the playoffs? Win a playoff game? omg that would be so wild. Just imagine that. Or better, just imagine the kind of posts we will see here if this happens. Half our threads will be relating the glorious success that Philly is and how we have failed by comparison.

I'm tired of the amount of trolling on this subject. What Philly has now is Embiid and (maybe) Ben Simmons. Here are some questions:

-Is this a good enough payoff for three (and counting) seasons of tanking? Was tanking the only way to get two elite young players? Can you not think of teams that did with less tanking?
-Assuming for the sake of the argument that both Simmons and Embiid reach their full potential, is that enough to make them a playoff team? A contender?
-Can you not think of teams with even better young talents that have failed in recent NBA history? This season?
-Why don't we see here similar threads and comments about Jazz, Detroit, NOP, or Minny? Do they have less talent, worse coaches, worse records?
-Doesn't the fact that Hinkie lost his job mean that something went wrong?

(yes, all questions are rhetorical)

What particularly irks me is that the exaggeration on the part of certain poster(s) pushes everyone to one extreme or the other and makes good conversation impossible.

Please, do consider for a moment that ppl might disagree with you for reasons other than disliking Philly or tanking and take once again the discussion to this direction.

In my POV, Hinkie took a great risk and failed. Sure, it was not a complete failure - but do bear in mind that the NBA is built in such a way as to make complete failure impossible: that was exactly the structural weakness that Hinkie exposed and exploited. It was though clearly a failure by the standards Hinkie had set to himself.

So, I won't say that Philly is an abomination, or that it failed completely,  and I won't let me slip into into an argument where both sides claim things the other side never said.

But pretending to be excited about a franchise with this roster, winning record, and FO is not serious and will not lead to serious conversation.

PS Do not even get me started on the >injury culture> bit. This quote belongs to the trolling HoF.

[rollie mass]

embid is going to propel them forever
brett brown will coach a powerhouse team
they will pick up help with a vet at trade deadline
the future belongs to celtics and 76's

[LGC88]

another philly post, really?

[timpiker]

I agree about Philly.  Embiid is a monster.

[CelticGuardian]

We still have to see if Ben Simmons will ever be a shooter from anywhere on the court.

[nickagneta]

This should just be merged with one of the dozens of Philly threads discussing the same thing.

[greece66]

Not you too rollie lol, that was a real blow 

Is Philly the only team with a talented young big? If not, then why we have no threads about Minny, Utah, the Pelicans or the Knicks?