SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

[saltlover]

This isn't our window and I don't see any trade we can make to change that.   Really the most likely result is making a misguided run at a window that doesn't exist and ruining our chance of a window in the next generation that could exist if we get lucky with the picks.

Then Boston should trade everyone that won't be around or nearly as effective when it is Boston's window.

Care to fill us in when exactly that window will start?

Trading everyone who "won't be around" is just a wee bit circular too.


Bottom line this wasn't our year to compete with Cleveland with or without Korver. That ship sailed with Durant. This year is about continuing to improve as a team, build a winning culture, and solidify our future core while also improving the trade value of the present core. No need for a panic trade, let alone several.

That said, if there's no blockbuster deal, I do hope that we ship out some of our seconds this year with some of the guys who aren't in the rotation -- specifically Zeller, Young, and Mickey -- for players who can actually contribute.  We are already scheduled to have three 1st round picks on the roster next year (Brooklyn, Yab, Zizic), and have five 1st round picks the following two seasons.  We can't use these seconds effectively on draft night, so might as well use them to get reinforcements for this year's team, and give the best chance to be successful.  Bogut is the most obvious of someone who could potentially help, but there are others as well.

[Ilikesports17]

Who said that Lowry and IT arent studs. Top 20 player is top 5% of the entire league. It not like everyone can be top 5%.

Its no disrespect to say that they are in the 20 - 25 range. That's high praise. You are taking this as a knock of some type. It doesnt even mean that these guys arent all - star level players.

It is disrespect if they are top 20 players, which I believe they both are (not really disrespect to Isaiah cus hes borderline but Lowry is clear cut in my opinion)

I guess let me put this in another way. Lets look at Pierce, KG, and Allen. All were all stars. All were multiple time all stars. I hope we can agree on this. If I had to rank the 3 I would go KG, Pierce, then Ray.

Im with you.

The KG type players are MVP level players. In today's game I would thats Durant, LeBron, Davis, Kawhi, Curry, Harden, and Westbrook.

Id like to see Davis win a little more before I put him here, but hes certainly got the talent and potential to be in this group and Ive got no problem with you putting him here. Im still with you.

The next group is the bonafide stars. Guys that are clearly the best players on their teams unless one of the above comes along. Those players are Kyrie, George, Lillard, Cousins, CP3, Thompson.

The Paul Pierces of the world...
here is where we disagree. As for your list. Cousins has first group talent and skill but his stupidity keeps him in this group. Ive got no problem with you putting him here.

The rest I am fine with. I have always felt Thompson was massively overrated but I wont fight you on it.
 Lillard is statistically identical to Isaiah Thomas and you have Lillard in your top 13 and wont even put Isaiah in the top 20? disagree.

I think this category is a little bigger than you do. I think Lowry clearly fits in there and so does Giannis and Jimmy Butler(who I am very partial to).

The rest are in the Allen category for me. Top players. All stars. Very very good but if I can trade for one of the guys above for IT, or Lowry or whomever on that list I run and go do that deal.

the trade language is not worth using here because Kyle Lowry is 30 and has no upside left


I agree with the premise. I just think you underrate Lowry.

[fairweatherfan]

This isn't our window and I don't see any trade we can make to change that.   Really the most likely result is making a misguided run at a window that doesn't exist and ruining our chance of a window in the next generation that could exist if we get lucky with the picks.

Then Boston should trade everyone that won't be around or nearly as effective when it is Boston's window.

Care to fill us in when exactly that window will start?

Trading everyone who "won't be around" is just a wee bit circular too.


Bottom line this wasn't our year to compete with Cleveland with or without Korver. That ship sailed with Durant. This year is about continuing to improve as a team, build a winning culture, and solidify our future core while also improving the trade value of the present core. No need for a panic trade, let alone several.

That said, if there's no blockbuster deal, I do hope that we ship out some of our seconds this year with some of the guys who aren't in the rotation -- specifically Zeller, Young, and Mickey -- for players who can actually contribute.  We are already scheduled to have three 1st round picks on the roster next year (Brooklyn, Yab, Zizic), and have five 1st round picks the following two seasons.  We can't use these seconds effectively on draft night, so might as well use them to get reinforcements for this year's team, and give the best chance to be successful.  Bogut is the most obvious of someone who could potentially help, but there are others as well.

Oh I agree, consolidating the roster and looking for opportunities to improve at weak spots should definitely be a goal, as long as we aren't hamstringing our long-term flexibility. Fortunately Danny seems to agree. Just don't buy that we need the "keep up with the Cavs" moves being suggested since we have basically no chance of getting to their level this season.

[droopdog7]

SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

Korver is a 35 year-old 3pt specialist.  Yes, he might be one of the best ever at that specialty, but that is it.

He is replacing Josh Smith JR Smith who actually can do a lot more than that.  I am not downplaying Korver's ability or the fact that this makes Cleveland more dangerous, but honestly is is no message to anyone let alone the Celtics.

Fixed it for you.  No one can replace JSmoove.

What other things can JR Smith do that the remaining players can't make up for?  I'd say, nothing really.  Korver is a better shooter and a better fit next to Lebron and Kyrie.  It's going to make them significantly better to have a deadly, maybe the deadliest, shooter.

Reread that post man

I did.  My point is that JR's other strengths can accounted for by Lebron and Kyrie. 

[Ilikesports17]

SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

Korver is a 35 year-old 3pt specialist.  Yes, he might be one of the best ever at that specialty, but that is it.

He is replacing Josh Smith JR Smith who actually can do a lot more than that.  I am not downplaying Korver's ability or the fact that this makes Cleveland more dangerous, but honestly is is no message to anyone let alone the Celtics.

Fixed it for you.  No one can replace JSmoove.

What other things can JR Smith do that the remaining players can't make up for?  I'd say, nothing really.  Korver is a better shooter and a better fit next to Lebron and Kyrie.  It's going to make them significantly better to have a deadly, maybe the deadliest, shooter.

Reread that post man

I did.  My point is that JR's other strengths can accounted for by Lebron and Kyrie.

reread the whole thing one more time.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jsmoove

[droopdog7]

SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

Korver is a 35 year-old 3pt specialist.  Yes, he might be one of the best ever at that specialty, but that is it.

He is replacing Josh Smith JR Smith who actually can do a lot more than that.  I am not downplaying Korver's ability or the fact that this makes Cleveland more dangerous, but honestly is is no message to anyone let alone the Celtics.

Fixed it for you.  No one can replace JSmoove.

What other things can JR Smith do that the remaining players can't make up for?  I'd say, nothing really.  Korver is a better shooter and a better fit next to Lebron and Kyrie.  It's going to make them significantly better to have a deadly, maybe the deadliest, shooter.

I'm sorry but the hype on the Cavs getting a 35 year old shooter that had bad athleticism to begin with as some huge move is becoming so over the top it feels like an april fools joke. Now he is maybe the deadliest shooter in the NBA? He isn't even in the top 20 in 3p shooting percentage.
You now think he is better than Curry? Thompson? Hell Patrick Beverly is hitting 3's at a higher percentage than Korver right now and his shooting percentage would be 3rd on the Cavs.

Dude's a career 43% three point shooter.  True, Curry is at 44% but they are real close.  Bottom line is that the guys is a great shooter.  Meanwhile, JR is at 37.5%.  Probably would be higher if he didn't take so many crazy shots. 

[saltlover]

SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

Korver is a 35 year-old 3pt specialist.  Yes, he might be one of the best ever at that specialty, but that is it.

He is replacing Josh Smith JR Smith who actually can do a lot more than that.  I am not downplaying Korver's ability or the fact that this makes Cleveland more dangerous, but honestly is is no message to anyone let alone the Celtics.

Fixed it for you.  No one can replace JSmoove.

What other things can JR Smith do that the remaining players can't make up for?  I'd say, nothing really.  Korver is a better shooter and a better fit next to Lebron and Kyrie.  It's going to make them significantly better to have a deadly, maybe the deadliest, shooter.

Reread that post man

I did.  My point is that JR's other strengths can accounted for by Lebron and Kyrie.

reread the whole thing one more time.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jsmoove

Thanks for trying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[droopdog7]

SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

Korver is a 35 year-old 3pt specialist.  Yes, he might be one of the best ever at that specialty, but that is it.

He is replacing Josh Smith JR Smith who actually can do a lot more than that.  I am not downplaying Korver's ability or the fact that this makes Cleveland more dangerous, but honestly is is no message to anyone let alone the Celtics.

Fixed it for you.  No one can replace JSmoove.

What other things can JR Smith do that the remaining players can't make up for?  I'd say, nothing really.  Korver is a better shooter and a better fit next to Lebron and Kyrie.  It's going to make them significantly better to have a deadly, maybe the deadliest, shooter.

Reread that post man

I did.  My point is that JR's other strengths can accounted for by Lebron and Kyrie.

reread the whole thing one more time.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jsmoove

Yes, I noticed the reference to Josh Smith the first time.  I suppose I assumed that the initial poster meant JR.  Was I wrong there?

[clevelandceltic]

That may be the case but i dont thiink so. I look at that Pierce group as automatic all stars. I dont think some of the guys you mentioned are automatic all stars. They are guys that get in due to hot years or the dynamic of the conference opens something up. Butler could be in and probably will be in that middle group.

I do think this Korver trade is just another move that moves the needle a little further from the Cs. This isnt a huge move but keeps pushing the needle just a little.

Who said that Lowry and IT arent studs. Top 20 player is top 5% of the entire league. It not like everyone can be top 5%.

Its no disrespect to say that they are in the 20 - 25 range. That's high praise. You are taking this as a knock of some type. It doesnt even mean that these guys arent all - star level players.

It is disrespect if they are top 20 players, which I believe they both are (not really disrespect to Isaiah cus hes borderline but Lowry is clear cut in my opinion)

I guess let me put this in another way. Lets look at Pierce, KG, and Allen. All were all stars. All were multiple time all stars. I hope we can agree on this. If I had to rank the 3 I would go KG, Pierce, then Ray.

Im with you.

The KG type players are MVP level players. In today's game I would thats Durant, LeBron, Davis, Kawhi, Curry, Harden, and Westbrook.

Id like to see Davis win a little more before I put him here, but hes certainly got the talent and potential to be in this group and Ive got no problem with you putting him here. Im still with you.

The next group is the bonafide stars. Guys that are clearly the best players on their teams unless one of the above comes along. Those players are Kyrie, George, Lillard, Cousins, CP3, Thompson.

The Paul Pierces of the world...
here is where we disagree. As for your list. Cousins has first group talent and skill but his stupidity keeps him in this group. Ive got no problem with you putting him here.

The rest I am fine with. I have always felt Thompson was massively overrated but I wont fight you on it.
 Lillard is statistically identical to Isaiah Thomas and you have Lillard in your top 13 and wont even put Isaiah in the top 20? disagree.

I think this category is a little bigger than you do. I think Lowry clearly fits in there and so does Giannis and Jimmy Butler(who I am very partial to).

The rest are in the Allen category for me. Top players. All stars. Very very good but if I can trade for one of the guys above for IT, or Lowry or whomever on that list I run and go do that deal.

the trade language is not worth using here because Kyle Lowry is 30 and has no upside left


I agree with the premise. I just think you underrate Lowry.

[mctyson]

SI - Korver trade is a message to Celtics and Raptors to act

Korver is a 35 year-old 3pt specialist.  Yes, he might be one of the best ever at that specialty, but that is it.

He is replacing Josh Smith JR Smith who actually can do a lot more than that.  I am not downplaying Korver's ability or the fact that this makes Cleveland more dangerous, but honestly is is no message to anyone let alone the Celtics.

Fixed it for you.  No one can replace JSmoove.

What other things can JR Smith do that the remaining players can't make up for?  I'd say, nothing really.  Korver is a better shooter and a better fit next to Lebron and Kyrie.  It's going to make them significantly better to have a deadly, maybe the deadliest, shooter.

Reread that post man

I did.  My point is that JR's other strengths can accounted for by Lebron and Kyrie.

reread the whole thing one more time.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jsmoove

Yes, I noticed the reference to Josh Smith the first time.  I suppose I assumed that the initial poster meant JR.  Was I wrong there?

Yes, I meant JR.

And also:  http://bkref.com/tiny/hWXzY

[Redz]

Raptors might have Sully in their deck sometime by Spring

by RotoWire Staff | Special to CBSSports.com
(1 hr ago) Sullinger (foot) took part in four-on-four drills during Friday's practice, Josh Lewenberg of TSN reports.
According to Lewenberg, it's the most rigorous workout Sullinger has performed with the Raptors since he was shut down during the preseason with a sore left foot that ultimately required surgery. The Raptors still haven't offered a firm timetable on Sullinger's return, but a more concrete date could emerge once he's taking part in a full-court, full-contact five-on-five drills. In addition to Friday's workout, Sullinger was also putting some shots during the Raptors' pregame warmup ahead of Thursday's contest with the Jazz. Taking part in on-court activities in back-to-back days would certainly seem to indicate Sullinger is inching closer toward his season debut.

Any information on his physical shape?  After so much time off with a foot injury, I'd be surprised if he's under 300 pounds.

Looks about the same!

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/watch-jared-sullinger-taking-shots-raptors-game-vs-jazz/

[mgent]

This isn't our window and I don't see any trade we can make to change that.   Really the most likely result is making a misguided run at a window that doesn't exist and ruining our chance of a window in the next generation that could exist if we get lucky with the picks.

Haha, so let me get the timeline straight.

First you think Rondo sucks and we need to trade him/tank so we can get one of 5-6 future superstars in the draft.

Celtics don't tank, but end up with good teams year after year, and good picks despite your claims that BKN is going to win a lot of games and we still have to tank.  As a result, you change your position and decide Boston might have a future.

Boston brings in stars their own way with IT and Horford, and grab potential stars Smart and Brown in the draft, but since we missed out on Embiid, Okafor, and Simmons, you begin hyping the Sixers instead and trying to prove that they're rebuilding the right way and we aren't.

And years later you still haven't found anyone dumb enough to convince that the Sixers are smarter than us so....

Now you're full circle and back to saying the Celtics have no chance of ever winning and need to go back to wishing for lottery balls.

Why come to a Celtics blog just to talk about how they shouldn't ever be trying to win games?

[spikelovetheCelts]

It is a message that Atlanta Hawks miss Danny Ferry.  Hopefully they Trade all their players and still suck in a few years. They are the greatest tred water franchise of all time. 10 straight playoff one sweep in ECF for their troubles.