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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #435 on: January 06, 2017, 11:32:11 PM »

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Welp.  On the one hand, good teams beat bad teams even when the good team plays a good bit of the game like hot garbage.  On the other hand, there's really no excuse to struggle against a roster as bad as Philly's when you've had a couple days of rest.

Mike

With Embiid and Noel they're a terrible match up for us...

And if Embiid had 40 or Noel had 12 blocks, that might explain them giving us a tough time.  But Embiid had just 23 and 8 while Noel had 13 pts, 8 board and 3 blocks.  If that's all they do, this Celtics team shouldn't have to work that hard to beat Philly.

Mike
Wow.  Nice stats.  Those guys were amazing tonight.  It will be interesting to see how they look when those two guys are fully recovered from their injuries.  Minutes restrictions and foul trouble limited them (thankfully).   Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.   They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade.

Where are you getting this stuff from?
I watched the basketball game.

You obviously didn't, because they hardly played together...
In the few minutes they played tonight they looked like they could play together.  Same reaction I had watching them play in their previous game.   I explained to everyone here months ago that a logical approach to dealing with the big man log jam was to have patience and wait closer to the trade deadline.  They needed to experiment with lineups, try playing Embiid with Okafor, try playing Embiid with Noel, figure out what their greatest weaknesses were, consider what their 2017 draft position might be and which players will be available, and at some point maybe even see how Simmons changes the dynamic before doing ANYTHING.  People kept responding with "no, they need to trade one of them now".   Now here we are in January and just like I said, they haven't traded one of them.  Just like I said, they spent a handful of games experimenting with playing Embiid and Okafor together.  And now, finally, we are seeing them experimenting with playing Noel and Embiid together.  It's obviously a new thing the team is experimenting with.  They haven't practiced much yet.   But it's been an interesting look so far.  Defensively, they seemed to make up for each others mistakes.  Offensively, it didn't seem to hurt them much.   

I fully expect to trade one or both of Noel and Okafor, but this is playing out pretty much exactly as I anticipated.   When you're dealing with prospects like that, you dont' want to rush to trade away one before really taking your time to evaluate what you have.  They couldn't make a proper analysis of the situation without experimentation.   It'll be interesting to see what they ultimately decide to do and whether or not this latest Noel/Embiid experiment fails.   If Noel keeps playing like this, his trade value will make a significant leap and Philly might finally get an acceptable offer.  But if he keeps playing like this, they might decide it's best to just keep him.

Entering tonight they'd played all of 5 minutes together all season.  Please get over yourself.

And a whopping 2:47 together tonight. It's ridiculous.

Game play by play:

12:00 1st Quarter - Embiid starts the game

7:03 1st Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

2:47 1st Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Covington

0:00 1st Quarter - Noel subs out in between quarters

9:08 2nd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

3:28 2nd Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Noel

8:22 3rd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

3:15 3rd Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Noel

0:41 3rd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

5:45 - Embiid enters the game for Noel

0:06 - Embiid fouls out

0:02 - Noel enters game for Stauskas

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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #436 on: January 06, 2017, 11:34:46 PM »

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Welp.  On the one hand, good teams beat bad teams even when the good team plays a good bit of the game like hot garbage.  On the other hand, there's really no excuse to struggle against a roster as bad as Philly's when you've had a couple days of rest.

Mike

With Embiid and Noel they're a terrible match up for us...

And if Embiid had 40 or Noel had 12 blocks, that might explain them giving us a tough time.  But Embiid had just 23 and 8 while Noel had 13 pts, 8 board and 3 blocks.  If that's all they do, this Celtics team shouldn't have to work that hard to beat Philly.

Mike
Wow.  Nice stats.  Those guys were amazing tonight.  It will be interesting to see how they look when those two guys are fully recovered from their injuries.  Minutes restrictions and foul trouble limited them (thankfully).   Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.   They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade.

Where are you getting this stuff from?
I watched the basketball game.

You obviously didn't, because they hardly played together...

Game play by play:

12:00 1st Quarter - Embiid starts the game

7:03 1st Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

2:47 1st Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Covington

0:00 1st Quarter - Noel subs out in between quarters

9:08 2nd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

3:28 2nd Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Noel

8:22 3rd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

3:15 3rd Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Noel

0:41 3rd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

5:45 - Embiid enters the game for Noel

0:06 - Embiid fouls out

0:02 - Noel enters game for Stauskas

They literally played 2:47 together...

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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #437 on: January 06, 2017, 11:36:26 PM »

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Welp.  On the one hand, good teams beat bad teams even when the good team plays a good bit of the game like hot garbage.  On the other hand, there's really no excuse to struggle against a roster as bad as Philly's when you've had a couple days of rest.

Mike

With Embiid and Noel they're a terrible match up for us...

And if Embiid had 40 or Noel had 12 blocks, that might explain them giving us a tough time.  But Embiid had just 23 and 8 while Noel had 13 pts, 8 board and 3 blocks.  If that's all they do, this Celtics team shouldn't have to work that hard to beat Philly.

Mike
Wow.  Nice stats.  Those guys were amazing tonight.  It will be interesting to see how they look when those two guys are fully recovered from their injuries.  Minutes restrictions and foul trouble limited them (thankfully).   Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.   They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade.

Where are you getting this stuff from? lol They hardly played together at all - a couple minutes top. The reason they were as successful as they were is because they were ALTERNATED to always have a good center out there on the court. Embiid has already complained about having to play the PF position offensively with Okafor, and the same would be true with Noel.

Besides, Simmons is their long-term starting 4 anyways, so there's no reason to even try it.
Embiid said that since they were trying the Embiid/Okafor combo that they should also try out the Embiid/Noel combo.  Embiid/Okafor has not worked well but Embiid/Noel is a completely different dynamic.  If that combo works reasonably well and Noel would accept being Embiid's backup (while getting paid well), it makes sense for the Sixers to keep Noel.  They've got plenty of cap space to do so and he'd be a backstop against Embiid getting injured again. 

Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #438 on: January 06, 2017, 11:36:34 PM »

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Welp.  On the one hand, good teams beat bad teams even when the good team plays a good bit of the game like hot garbage.  On the other hand, there's really no excuse to struggle against a roster as bad as Philly's when you've had a couple days of rest.

Mike

With Embiid and Noel they're a terrible match up for us...

And if Embiid had 40 or Noel had 12 blocks, that might explain them giving us a tough time.  But Embiid had just 23 and 8 while Noel had 13 pts, 8 board and 3 blocks.  If that's all they do, this Celtics team shouldn't have to work that hard to beat Philly.

Mike
Wow.  Nice stats.  Those guys were amazing tonight.  It will be interesting to see how they look when those two guys are fully recovered from their injuries.  Minutes restrictions and foul trouble limited them (thankfully).   Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.   They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade.

Where are you getting this stuff from?
I watched the basketball game.

You obviously didn't, because they hardly played together...
In the few minutes they played tonight they looked like they could play together.  Same reaction I had watching them play in their previous game.   I explained to everyone here months ago that a logical approach to dealing with the big man log jam was to have patience and wait closer to the trade deadline.  They needed to experiment with lineups, try playing Embiid with Okafor, try playing Embiid with Noel, figure out what their greatest weaknesses were, consider what their 2017 draft position might be and which players will be available, and at some point maybe even see how Simmons changes the dynamic before doing ANYTHING.  People kept responding with "no, they need to trade one of them now".   Now here we are in January and just like I said, they haven't traded one of them.  Just like I said, they spent a handful of games experimenting with playing Embiid and Okafor together.  And now, finally, we are seeing them experimenting with playing Noel and Embiid together.  It's obviously a new thing the team is experimenting with.  They haven't practiced much yet.   But it's been an interesting look so far.  Defensively, they seemed to make up for each others mistakes.  Offensively, it didn't seem to hurt them much.   

I fully expect to trade one or both of Noel and Okafor, but this is playing out pretty much exactly as I anticipated.   When you're dealing with prospects like that, you dont' want to rush to trade away one before really taking your time to evaluate what you have.  They couldn't make a proper analysis of the situation without experimentation.   It'll be interesting to see what they ultimately decide to do and whether or not this latest Noel/Embiid experiment fails.   If Noel keeps playing like this, his trade value will make a significant leap and Philly might finally get an acceptable offer.  But if he keeps playing like this, they might decide it's best to just keep him.

Entering tonight they'd played all of 5 minutes together all season.  Please get over yourself.

And a whopping 2:47 together tonight. It's ridiculous.

Game play by play:

12:00 1st Quarter - Embiid starts the game

7:03 1st Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

2:47 1st Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Covington

0:00 1st Quarter - Noel subs out in between quarters

9:08 2nd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

3:28 2nd Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Noel

8:22 3rd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

3:15 3rd Quarter - Embiid enters the game for Noel

0:41 3rd Quarter - Noel enters the game for Embiid

5:45 - Embiid enters the game for Noel

0:06 - Embiid fouls out

0:02 - Noel enters game for Stauskas

Starting your blog comeback strong I see, Lar.
Go watch the tape.  They looked like they could play together.  I imagine they will continue to experiment with it.  Seems like a much better pairing than Embiid and Okafor.  I never suggested they shared a lot of time together... merely that in the minutes they played together it didn't seem to be a disaster.  Both offensive and defensively, it seemed to work.

Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #439 on: January 06, 2017, 11:43:07 PM »

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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #440 on: January 06, 2017, 11:47:25 PM »

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Welp.  On the one hand, good teams beat bad teams even when the good team plays a good bit of the game like hot garbage.  On the other hand, there's really no excuse to struggle against a roster as bad as Philly's when you've had a couple days of rest.

Mike

With Embiid and Noel they're a terrible match up for us...

And if Embiid had 40 or Noel had 12 blocks, that might explain them giving us a tough time.  But Embiid had just 23 and 8 while Noel had 13 pts, 8 board and 3 blocks.  If that's all they do, this Celtics team shouldn't have to work that hard to beat Philly.

Mike
Wow.  Nice stats.  Those guys were amazing tonight.  It will be interesting to see how they look when those two guys are fully recovered from their injuries.  Minutes restrictions and foul trouble limited them (thankfully).   Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.   They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade.

Where are you getting this stuff from?
I watched the basketball game.

You obviously didn't, because they hardly played together...
In the few minutes they played tonight they looked like they could play together.  Same reaction I had watching them play in their previous game.   I explained to everyone here months ago that a logical approach to dealing with the big man log jam was to have patience and wait closer to the trade deadline.  They needed to experiment with lineups, try playing Embiid with Okafor, try playing Embiid with Noel, figure out what their greatest weaknesses were, consider what their 2017 draft position might be and which players will be available, and at some point maybe even see how Simmons changes the dynamic before doing ANYTHING.  People kept responding with "no, they need to trade one of them now".   Now here we are in January and just like I said, they haven't traded one of them.  Just like I said, they spent a handful of games experimenting with playing Embiid and Okafor together.  And now, finally, we are seeing them experimenting with playing Noel and Embiid together.  It's obviously a new thing the team is experimenting with.  They haven't practiced much yet.   But it's been an interesting look so far.  Defensively, they seemed to make up for each others mistakes.  Offensively, it didn't seem to hurt them much.   

I fully expect to trade one or both of Noel and Okafor, but this is playing out pretty much exactly as I anticipated.   When you're dealing with prospects like that, you dont' want to rush to trade away one before really taking your time to evaluate what you have.  They couldn't make a proper analysis of the situation without experimentation.   It'll be interesting to see what they ultimately decide to do and whether or not this latest Noel/Embiid experiment fails.   If Noel keeps playing like this, his trade value will make a significant leap and Philly might finally get an acceptable offer.  But if he keeps playing like this, they might decide it's best to just keep him.

Entering tonight they'd played all of 5 minutes together all season.  Please get over yourself.
Prior to tonight Noel had only played roughly 90 minutes total with more than 30 minutes being in games Embiid didn't play.  They haven't had much opportunity to play together or even practice playing together with Noel out injured into December.   

Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #441 on: January 06, 2017, 11:49:45 PM »

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Welp.  On the one hand, good teams beat bad teams even when the good team plays a good bit of the game like hot garbage.  On the other hand, there's really no excuse to struggle against a roster as bad as Philly's when you've had a couple days of rest.

Mike

With Embiid and Noel they're a terrible match up for us...

And if Embiid had 40 or Noel had 12 blocks, that might explain them giving us a tough time.  But Embiid had just 23 and 8 while Noel had 13 pts, 8 board and 3 blocks.  If that's all they do, this Celtics team shouldn't have to work that hard to beat Philly.

Mike
Wow.  Nice stats.  Those guys were amazing tonight.  It will be interesting to see how they look when those two guys are fully recovered from their injuries.  Minutes restrictions and foul trouble limited them (thankfully).   Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.   They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade.

Where are you getting this stuff from? lol They hardly played together at all - a couple minutes top. The reason they were as successful as they were is because they were ALTERNATED to always have a good center out there on the court. Embiid has already complained about having to play the PF position offensively with Okafor, and the same would be true with Noel.

Besides, Simmons is their long-term starting 4 anyways, so there's no reason to even try it.
Embiid said that since they were trying the Embiid/Okafor combo that they should also try out the Embiid/Noel combo.  Embiid/Okafor has not worked well but Embiid/Noel is a completely different dynamic.  If that combo works reasonably well and Noel would accept being Embiid's backup (while getting paid well), it makes sense for the Sixers to keep Noel.  They've got plenty of cap space to do so and he'd be a backstop against Embiid getting injured again.

Oh, I've always said an Embiid/Noel pairing is much better than an Embiid/Okafor pairing. At least the first pairing will be elite defensively; whereas, Embiid/Okafor is a terrible pairing both offensively and defensively. It forces Embiid out on the perimeter, which he's voiced his displeasure against. However, the same dynamic is in play offensively for the Embiid/Noel pairing.

But again, there's no point in even trying it, because Simmons is the long-term PF for the 76ers.

And I can't see Noel being satisfied with being a backup. He showed tonight that he's both healthy and deserving of a starting role (on a different team). He'll get offers from other places for big money where he can start, and I still say he'll take the qualifying offer rather than staying to be a backup for the 76ers, or price himself out of being a backup for the 76ers.

76ers best course of action is to keep Okafor benched to showcase Noel and trade him for as much as possible prior to the deadline. Okafor can be the backup big for 15 minutes a game for another two years until his contract expires. He seems to be Enes Kanter 2.0 anyways.
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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #442 on: January 06, 2017, 11:59:14 PM »

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Lol... This forum has a real problem.  I've found it to be insufferable at times.  Like many others who have already abandoned this place, I find myself gravitating to other venues to discuss the NBA and Celtics.  Here there are too many out-of-turn comments not backed up with knowledge. Too many hot heads who are far too eager to attack opinions they don't understand, or take opinions out of context looking for "holes" and trying to "Gotcha" one another.  It hasn't been a fun place to contribute to. 

I sometimes forget that a lot of people here have narrow vision when it comes to the NBA.  Let me start over and provide some additional detail for clarity...

Philly's still trying to figure out what to do with their big man log jam.  They have a transcendent prospect in Embiid and frankly their other two young centers (Okafor and Noel) still have allstar potential despite the very vocal naysayers.   The team obviously needed to experiment with lineups to see what can and can't work, but unfortunately they got hit with a rash of injuries.   They didn't get around to experimenting with Embiid and Okafor together until last month.  Noel was injured for most of the season and is finally working his way back.

Everyone following that team has been very anxious to see how Embiid and Noel would look next to each other.  In-fact, Philly fans have been anxious to see how Embiid and Noel play together since Embiid was drafted.   With Noel finally starting to look healthy, we finally got a look at those two together this week against the Timberwolves (a game Philly won).   It was a very brief stint.  It was something their coach deliberately said he was going to experiment with prior to the game... and we got a very very small sampling of it. 

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Going into Tuesday’s match-up with Minnesota, Brett Brown indicated his plan was to “force feed” the frontline combination of Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel.

“I would like to look at that as much as we can over a period of time,” said Brown, who, along with input from ownership and the front office, devoted much of the final two weeks of December to tapping into the potential of an Embiid-Jahlil Okafor pairing.

And so, to start Tuesday’s second quarter, Brown deployed Embiid and Noel as a duo. All in all, their stint together lasted three minutes, 15 seconds, and proved to be solid.

During this stretch, the Sixers outscored the Timberwolves by a point, 7-6. Embiid accounted for all of the team’s offense, which was generated exclusively from halfcourt sets.

It's something they are looking at.

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“You get into a situation where you walk that line of developing your guys, trying to get them on the court,” Brown explained. But, as important as growing prospects is to the Sixers, they also want to be winning, and winning more regularly.

Brown’s post-game remarks spoke to a point he and President of Basketball Operations Bryan Colangelo have both stressed in recent weeks when discussing the Sixers’ center rotation. The expectation is that the situation will be a fluid one for the foreseeable future.

“There’s a lot of moving parts with our bigs, trying to grow these guys, put them in positions where they can succeed, try to win a game, do the right thing for the program,” said Brown. “There’s no clear answer on that.”

Joel Embiid was asked about the pairing and had the following to say:

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“I thought defensively we were pretty good,” Embiid said Tuesday, grading out his and Noel's joint efforts versus the Wolves. “Offensively, I think we shared the ball, we knew our spots. Hopefully in the future, we keep playing together.

So then we saw a little more of that pairing tonight.  And yes, it was a very short stint, but in that short stint, it looked pretty encouraging.  In the few few shorts minutes they shared on the court Noel made a dunk off an Embiid assist.  Noel stole the ball from Smart.  Embiid made an 8 foot shot.   Both offensively and defensively, it looked like it might actually work for them.  That's what I was conveying in my comment.   I didn't feel it necessary to give everyone a lesson about what's going on with that team... I forgot how petulant and aggressive this forum can be.  I figured a simple "They actually look like they can play together" was enough.   My bad. 


Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #443 on: January 06, 2017, 11:59:32 PM »

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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #444 on: January 07, 2017, 12:01:30 AM »

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76ers writer says the 76ers are taking a look/showcasing Noel now, which is why Okafor didn't play, so I think they have an idea that they won't be able to keep him.

Also, it should be pretty clear now when they have to sit one of the three bigs to play the other two that having all three of them was clearly a mistake and that they're not all compatible on the same roster.
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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #445 on: January 07, 2017, 12:02:32 AM »

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Lol... This forum has a real problem.  I've found it to be insufferable at times.  Like many others who have already abandoned this place, I find myself gravitating to other venues to discuss the NBA and Celtics.  Here there are too many out-of-turn comments not backed up with knowledge. Too many hot heads who are far too eager to attack opinions they don't understand, or take opinions out of context looking for "holes" and trying to "Gotcha" one another.  It hasn't been a fun place to contribute to. 

I sometimes forget that a lot of people here have narrow vision when it comes to the NBA.  Let me start over and provide some additional detail for clarity...

Philly's still trying to figure out what to do with their big man log jam.  They have a transcendent prospect in Embiid and frankly their other two young centers (Okafor and Noel) still have allstar potential despite the very vocal naysayers.   The team obivously needed to experiment with lineups to see what can and can't work, but unfortunately they got hit with a rash of injuries.   They didn't get around to experimenting with Embiid and Okafor together until last month.  Noel was injured for most of the season and is finally working his way back.

Everyone following that team has been very anxious to see how Embiid and Noel would look next to each other.  In-fact, Philly fans have been anxious to see how Embiid and Noel play together since Embiid was drafted.   We didn't get to look at it until this week against the Timberwolves (a game Philly won).   It was a very brief stint.  It was something their coach deliberately said he was going to experiment with prior to the game... and we got a very very small sampling of it. 

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Going into Tuesday’s match-up with Minnesota, Brett Brown indicated his plan was to “force feed” the frontline combination of Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel.

“I would like to look at that as much as we can over a period of time,” said Brown, who, along with input from ownership and the front office, devoted much of the final two weeks of December to tapping into the potential of an Embiid-Jahlil Okafor pairing.

And so, to start Tuesday’s second quarter, Brown deployed Embiid and Noel as a duo. All in all, their stint together lasted three minutes, 15 seconds, and proved to be solid.

During this stretch, the Sixers outscored the Timberwolves by a point, 7-6. Embiid accounted for all of the team’s offense, which was generated exclusively from halfcourt sets.

It's something they are looking at.

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“You get into a situation where you walk that line of developing your guys, trying to get them on the court,” Brown explained. But, as important as growing prospects is to the Sixers, they also want to be winning, and winning more regularly.

Brown’s post-game remarks spoke to a point he and President of Basketball Operations Bryan Colangelo have both stressed in recent weeks when discussing the Sixers’ center rotation. The expectation is that the situation will be a fluid one for the foreseeable future.

“There’s a lot of moving parts with our bigs, trying to grow these guys, put them in positions where they can succeed, try to win a game, do the right thing for the program,” said Brown. “There’s no clear answer on that.”

Joel Embiid was asked about the pairing and had the following to say:

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“I thought defensively we were pretty good,” Embiid said Tuesday, grading out his and Noel's joint efforts versus the Wolves. “Offensively, I think we shared the ball, we knew our spots. Hopefully in the future, we keep playing together.

So then we saw a little more of that pairing tonight.  And yes, it was a very short stint, but in that short stint, it looked pretty encouraging.  In the few few shorts minutes they shared on the court Noel made a dunk off an Embiid assist.  Noel stole the ball from Smart.  Embiid made an 8 foot shot.   Both offensively and defensively, it looked like it might actually work for them.  That's what I was conveying in my comment.   I didn't feel it necessary to give everyone a lesson about what's going on with that team... I forgot how petulant and aggressive this forum can be.  I figured a simple "They actually look like they can play together" was enough.   My bad.

Reasonable deflection attempt to save face, but you made a fairly short comment about the game, got called out for not actually watching the game and are now calling out Celticsblog for being hostile.

Don't act like you watched what happened with those two tonight when you very clearly didn't.


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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #446 on: January 07, 2017, 12:08:04 AM »

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Tom Westerholm, a Masslive Celtics writer, had this to say about a potential Noel to Boston trade:

1) Philly has no leverage in a Noel trade, so the C's won't give up a Nets pick. Don't listen to anyone who says they should.

2) The C's don't have great/tradeable secondary assets. Rozier might be good, but other teams don't really know that. Smart is good, but he's too valuable on the current team to trade for someone like Noel.

3) So the Sixers can probably find an equally good deal elsewhere, because the C's probably won't budge and they'd prefer to send him to a team outside of their own division that they wouldn't have to see often.

I think all that is pretty sound logic, though adding something like the Memphis and the Clippers picks to a Rozier and Young deal is something he doesn't consider, which significantly improves the trade. I don't think they get anything better than that. Portland has already said they're not interested in him (I think due to already having so much money on the books next year), and I don't really see any other interested team offering much more than that.
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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #447 on: January 07, 2017, 12:10:35 AM »

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Lol... This forum has a real problem.  I've found it to be insufferable at times.  Like many others who have already abandoned this place, I find myself gravitating to other venues to discuss the NBA and Celtics.  Here there are too many out-of-turn comments not backed up with knowledge. Too many hot heads who are far too eager to attack opinions they don't understand, or take opinions out of context looking for "holes" and trying to "Gotcha" one another.  It hasn't been a fun place to contribute to. 

I sometimes forget that a lot of people here have narrow vision when it comes to the NBA.  Let me start over and provide some additional detail for clarity...

Philly's still trying to figure out what to do with their big man log jam.  They have a transcendent prospect in Embiid and frankly their other two young centers (Okafor and Noel) still have allstar potential despite the very vocal naysayers.   The team obivously needed to experiment with lineups to see what can and can't work, but unfortunately they got hit with a rash of injuries.   They didn't get around to experimenting with Embiid and Okafor together until last month.  Noel was injured for most of the season and is finally working his way back.

Everyone following that team has been very anxious to see how Embiid and Noel would look next to each other.  In-fact, Philly fans have been anxious to see how Embiid and Noel play together since Embiid was drafted.   We didn't get to look at it until this week against the Timberwolves (a game Philly won).   It was a very brief stint.  It was something their coach deliberately said he was going to experiment with prior to the game... and we got a very very small sampling of it. 

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Going into Tuesday’s match-up with Minnesota, Brett Brown indicated his plan was to “force feed” the frontline combination of Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel.

“I would like to look at that as much as we can over a period of time,” said Brown, who, along with input from ownership and the front office, devoted much of the final two weeks of December to tapping into the potential of an Embiid-Jahlil Okafor pairing.

And so, to start Tuesday’s second quarter, Brown deployed Embiid and Noel as a duo. All in all, their stint together lasted three minutes, 15 seconds, and proved to be solid.

During this stretch, the Sixers outscored the Timberwolves by a point, 7-6. Embiid accounted for all of the team’s offense, which was generated exclusively from halfcourt sets.

It's something they are looking at.

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“You get into a situation where you walk that line of developing your guys, trying to get them on the court,” Brown explained. But, as important as growing prospects is to the Sixers, they also want to be winning, and winning more regularly.

Brown’s post-game remarks spoke to a point he and President of Basketball Operations Bryan Colangelo have both stressed in recent weeks when discussing the Sixers’ center rotation. The expectation is that the situation will be a fluid one for the foreseeable future.

“There’s a lot of moving parts with our bigs, trying to grow these guys, put them in positions where they can succeed, try to win a game, do the right thing for the program,” said Brown. “There’s no clear answer on that.”

Joel Embiid was asked about the pairing and had the following to say:

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“I thought defensively we were pretty good,” Embiid said Tuesday, grading out his and Noel's joint efforts versus the Wolves. “Offensively, I think we shared the ball, we knew our spots. Hopefully in the future, we keep playing together.

So then we saw a little more of that pairing tonight.  And yes, it was a very short stint, but in that short stint, it looked pretty encouraging.  In the few few shorts minutes they shared on the court Noel made a dunk off an Embiid assist.  Noel stole the ball from Smart.  Embiid made an 8 foot shot.   Both offensively and defensively, it looked like it might actually work for them.  That's what I was conveying in my comment.   I didn't feel it necessary to give everyone a lesson about what's going on with that team... I forgot how petulant and aggressive this forum can be.  I figured a simple "They actually look like they can play together" was enough.   My bad.

Reasonable deflection attempt to save face, but you made a fairly short comment about the game, got called out for not actually watching the game and are now calling out Celticsblog for being hostile.

Don't act like you watched what happened with those two tonight when you very clearly didn't.
As if I'd miss a game between Boston and Philly...  Get real.  I'll just respond by repeating what I said before word-for-word:  "They actually look like they can play together.  Maybe they should keep experimenting with them before rushing to make a short-sighted trade."


I stand by it.  NBA fans have been anxiously anticipating a Noel + Embiid pairing for years.  Both are excellent defensive bigs.  We've long wanted to see if it could work or not.   Theoretically, it seemed like something that could actually work out, because Noel is extremely mobile defensively (easier for Embiid to play with him than Okafor on that end) and Joel has range that can spread the floor (easier for Noel to play with him than Okafor on the offensive end).  In the very brief glimpse I saw of them against Minny and tonight against Boston, it looks like a really tough pairing to score on and the two of them were able to co-exist offensively for the most part.   More experimentation is necessary.  It might not work.  But so far, it looks like they can actually play together which is interesting.

The bulk of their minutes were played apart from each other, which made sense.  Best to have at least one of them on the floor at all times and both of them are still having their minutes limited as they recover.  Also, they haven't practiced together so it's still something very new to both of them.  But individually, they both played really well.  Per 36 Embiid put up 32 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks tonight... while Noel had 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 blocks.  Outstanding performances.
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Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #448 on: January 07, 2017, 12:20:29 AM »

Offline LarBrd33

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Tom Westerholm, a Masslive Celtics writer, had this to say about a potential Noel to Boston trade:

1) Philly has no leverage in a Noel trade, so the C's won't give up a Nets pick. Don't listen to anyone who says they should.

2) The C's don't have great/tradeable secondary assets. Rozier might be good, but other teams don't really know that. Smart is good, but he's too valuable on the current team to trade for someone like Noel.

3) So the Sixers can probably find an equally good deal elsewhere, because the C's probably won't budge and they'd prefer to send him to a team outside of their own division that they wouldn't have to see often.

I think all that is pretty sound logic, though adding something like the Memphis and the Clippers picks to a Rozier and Young deal is something he doesn't consider, which significantly improves the trade. I don't think they get anything better than that. Portland has already said they're not interested in him (I think due to already having so much money on the books next year), and I don't really see any other interested team offering much more than that.
As much as I'd love Noel here, I don't think a Noel to Cs trade makes sense for either team, really.  Boston doesn't really have anything that will make it worthwhile for Philly (as someone else mentioned, Philly wouldn't really have interest in Marcus Smart and there's no sense in trading for a package built around draft picks and Rozier when the team is on the verge of potentially adding two elite guard prospects via the 2017 draft) and I dont' think Boston wants to eat up next year's cap space with a Noel contract.   I don't anticipate anything happening there without a third team getting involved.

Re: Sixers (9-24) at Celtics (21-14) Game #36 1/6/17
« Reply #449 on: January 07, 2017, 12:42:59 AM »

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Sixers waited way too long to move Noel.