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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2017, 09:06:16 AM »

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Cousins is really the only guy I can see to take us to that next level.  Or Paul George.
Neither are available yet.  But we should be asking anyways just in case.  I'm sure Danny is working the phones.  Any other stars to be had?

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2017, 09:36:30 AM »

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This team needs a rebounder and a shooter, not some irrational clinging to a bunch of disposable parts.

Doesn't mean you have to give up Brown, or Smart, although I'd move the latter in the right deal. But we have players on the bench who won't contribute to a champion.

And at some point, we're going to have to get serious about improving the talent level on this roster and stop collecting every guard in the draft.

Unless you love this team so much that you're OK with crashing and burning every year in the post-season.
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2017, 09:39:53 AM »

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Considering this team seems no closer to being able to beat Cleveland, yes, any move that will improve the team should be considered.

Doesn't mean a trade will be made, but Ainge shouldn't be worrying about messing up the chemistry of a team that is not a championship contender as is.
Sorry to disagree on both points.

There are moves which will improve this team, but not enough to beat Cleveland.  I do not make those moves, there's no point unless it is a bargain.

Chemistry is an elusive thing.  If this team is clicking chemistry-wise, I do think Ainge has to seriously consider the impact of a move in that respect.  There are many examples of teams that were loaded with talent but without chemistry they didn't go far.
chemistry doesn't matter if you don't have the talent to win in the post-season though. 
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2017, 09:41:52 AM »

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Considering this team seems no closer to being able to beat Cleveland, yes, any move that will improve the team should be considered.

Doesn't mean a trade will be made, but Ainge shouldn't be worrying about messing up the chemistry of a team that is not a championship contender as is.
Sorry to disagree on both points.

There are moves which will improve this team, but not enough to beat Cleveland.  I do not make those moves, there's no point unless it is a bargain.

Chemistry is an elusive thing.  If this team is clicking chemistry-wise, I do think Ainge has to seriously consider the impact of a move in that respect.  There are many examples of teams that were loaded with talent but without chemistry they didn't go far.
chemistry doesn't matter if you don't have the talent to win in the post-season though.

Indeed it doesn't.
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2017, 10:07:13 AM »

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Considering this team seems no closer to being able to beat Cleveland, yes, any move that will improve the team should be considered.

Doesn't mean a trade will be made, but Ainge shouldn't be worrying about messing up the chemistry of a team that is not a championship contender as is.
Sorry to disagree on both points.

There are moves which will improve this team, but not enough to beat Cleveland.  I do not make those moves, there's no point unless it is a bargain.

Chemistry is an elusive thing.  If this team is clicking chemistry-wise, I do think Ainge has to seriously consider the impact of a move in that respect.  There are many examples of teams that were loaded with talent but without chemistry they didn't go far.
chemistry doesn't matter if you don't have the talent to win in the post-season though.

Indeed it doesn't.
Right, but it seems that KGs Knees was implying that you need to have the talent FIRST, and I just don't agree with that.

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2017, 10:13:09 AM »

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I think we should seriously consider trading for Noel.

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 10:16:21 AM »

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I think we should seriously consider trading for Noel.
Rozier is not being given playing time.  I strongly suspect there is a deal on table: Rozier + non-BKN pick for Noel.  Philly probably holding out for BKN pick.

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 10:21:50 AM »

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I'd like to see us add a bench piece that is an expiring contract like Tucker or Bogut. The C's shouldn't add a player who makes them better now but adds money to the cap long term (unless it's a star).
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 10:24:06 AM »

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jaylen is going to be a stud player and finisher to IT.  I wouldn't mess with that too much.  It might take him a bit but he can already score.

Brown looked tremendous early in the game last night. Scored 8 pts in as many minutes. Blocked a shot, then got down the court in a flash to make a 3 pt layup. Then Stevens takes him out and he disappears. Puts in terrible Olynyk, who promptly commits two TOs in a row.

Brown is telling Stevens rather loudly he should be getting more playing time.

There is a consensus brewing in the media they need a rebounder/rim protector to make a real dent in the standings. I'm sure Ainge is aware.

Danny might take a lesson from Dombrowski and the Sale deal. Dave got Sale, a top SP, without trading any of his starting players. Leaned on the well-stocked farm system. Ainge's "farm system" are those Nets picks--and other picks. The way to get a guy like Millsap is to lean on the farm system, Danny, and keep your core players. The future is now. I don't see anybody else out there that fills a team need as much.
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 10:29:44 AM »

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This team needs a rebounder and a shooter, not some irrational clinging to a bunch of disposable parts.

Doesn't mean you have to give up Brown, or Smart, although I'd move the latter in the right deal. But we have players on the bench who won't contribute to a champion.

And at some point, we're going to have to get serious about improving the talent level on this roster and stop collecting every guard in the draft.

Unless you love this team so much that you're OK with crashing and burning every year in the post-season.

What are your thoughts on Korver?  Obviously his age is a big concern, but he'd on an expiring contract and if the Hawks move Millsap then he'd probably be on the way out, too.  He's probably not worth giving up Rozier (although I'd be tempted), but for a late first (like the Clippers' pick) you have to do it, right?
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 10:30:06 AM »

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If a reasonable trade for a star turns up then take it because it's going to be good for us long term. Otherwise I only see peripheral moves happening.

e.g. KO moving on if we feel that we aren't going to pay him this summer or Zeller and picks for Bogut.

Smaller moves aimed either at future flexibility or a low asset spend to add rebounding for the playoffs

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2017, 10:31:00 AM »

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This team needs a rebounder and a shooter, not some irrational clinging to a bunch of disposable parts.

Doesn't mean you have to give up Brown, or Smart, although I'd move the latter in the right deal. But we have players on the bench who won't contribute to a champion.

And at some point, we're going to have to get serious about improving the talent level on this roster and stop collecting every guard in the draft.

Unless you love this team so much that you're OK with crashing and burning every year in the post-season.
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Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2017, 10:32:53 AM »

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jaylen is going to be a stud player and finisher to IT.  I wouldn't mess with that too much.  It might take him a bit but he can already score.

Brown looked tremendous early in the game last night. Scored 8 pts in as many minutes. Blocked a shot, then got down the court in a flash to make a 3 pt layup. Then Stevens takes him out and he disappears. Puts in terrible Olynyk, who promptly commits two TOs in a row.

Brown is telling Stevens rather loudly he should be getting more playing time.

It could be that Stevens is bringing him along slowly to see what NBA defenses do against him and what that means for his development going forward. He's clearly our best young player aside from Smart, who's more established with Stevens. But Brad is keeping Jaylen hungry for those minutes, that's how he's motivating him right now. Jaylen absolutely destroyed that Jazz player with that block, you can tell he really wants it.

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2017, 07:10:56 PM »

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I see no harm in trying to acquire a young center, for players that have no future on the celtics.

I like Rozier, and I feel he'll be a nice rotational player someday, but he's another undersized combo guard, and he is seeing less and less minutes lately.

Kelly Olynyk IMO has no future with the Celtics, he is what he is. He's a tease. Everyone keeps waiting for his breakout that never comes. He keeps turning the corner, and falling back. No way should they sign him for anything more than he's currently earning.

I wouldn't mind getting a good look a Noel, before he hits free agency.

Re: Do we mess with this team at the deadline?
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2017, 09:35:27 PM »

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As it is with all things regarding this team - it depends. If an honest-to-goodness franchise player, like Paul George or Jimmy Butler, shakes loose then you give a hard look at what the other team is asking for. Otherwise you look for a buy-low opportunity on guys who might help you this year but don't necessarily make you a contender. No interest in moving a Nets pick for Millsap, who I think the team is well-positioned to pursue as a FA over the summer, but I'd give them a combination platter of Olynyk, Rozier, and non-premium first-round picks. I don't expect Atlanta to take a deal like that, so I don't expect Millsap in green this spring. Otherwise, to echo what a few other people have said, I wouldn't mind turning Zeller and a second rounder or two into Bogut, who would come in handy if Boston runs into Dwight Howard or Jonas Valanciunas (or Robin Lopez, for that matter) this postseason.

Sneaky-devious trade target: Brook Lopez, using the 2019 Minny pick and some combination of the C's own picks and the Clippers' pick, which serves the dual purpose of getting Horford a frontcourt partner (who also stretches the floor now!) while making the Nets even worse over the remainder of this season and next.