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Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2017, 10:04:59 AM »

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The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer. 
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Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2017, 10:12:08 AM »

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No.

The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer.

If Ainge starts getting emotional like you want him to be, then he will end up making a mistake. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. If you make a mistake in basketball, it screws up your team for the long haul. Milsap is old. He is going to be a free agent. The Celtics need a Center. Milsap will get demolished by the Cavs and we lose Smart who can guard LBJ and Irving while being the 2nd playmaker on this team. He is also 22 years old.

We're not the New York Knicks. We don't just make trades for the sake of making trades so our team can improve a little bit and lose in the playoffs once again.

Again, thank god Ainge is GM because at this point, you would have us be irrelevant for the next 20 years.

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2017, 10:20:41 AM »

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The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer.

If Ainge starts getting emotional like you want him to be, then he will end up making a mistake. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. If you make a mistake in basketball, it screws up your team for the long haul. Milsap is old. He is going to be a free agent. The Celtics need a Center. Milsap will get demolished by the Cavs and we lose Smart who can guard LBJ and Irving while being the 2nd playmaker on this team. He is also 22 years old.

We're not the New York Knicks. We don't just make trades for the sake of making trades so our team can improve a little bit and lose in the playoffs once again.

Again, thank god Ainge is GM because at this point, you would have us be irrelevant for the next 20 years.
I heard speculation on NBARadio that he will want the max which would start at $36M and would go to $47M in the 4th year.  Could that be right under the new CBA?  That is just ridiculous money for a guy who is definitely NOT a franchise elite superstar.

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2017, 10:23:17 AM »

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I would for a younger version of Milsap.

As frustrating as Smart is at times with his poor shooting he still has too much potential to trade away for a player at the end of his career.

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2017, 10:26:43 AM »

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No.

The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer.

If Ainge starts getting emotional like you want him to be, then he will end up making a mistake. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. If you make a mistake in basketball, it screws up your team for the long haul. Milsap is old. He is going to be a free agent. The Celtics need a Center. Milsap will get demolished by the Cavs and we lose Smart who can guard LBJ and Irving while being the 2nd playmaker on this team. He is also 22 years old.

We're not the New York Knicks. We don't just make trades for the sake of making trades so our team can improve a little bit and lose in the playoffs once again.

Again, thank god Ainge is GM because at this point, you would have us be irrelevant for the next 20 years.
Actually the emotional move is hanging onto a backup guard that is one of the worst offensive players in NBA history because you have watched him play for 2.5 years and drafted him.  That is the emotional move.  Horford would play center with Millsap at power forward.  Big and clear upgrade.  Any time you can add what would be your best player for some bench players and limited future assets (like say Boston's 2018 1st) then you have to do it. 

And no I don't think Millsap makes Boston a real contender, but he certainly makes Boston a heck of a lot closer than they are now and with an injury to James, Boston would be the best team in the East with Horford, Millsap, Crowder, Bradley, Thomas as the starting 5 and Johnson, KO, Brown, and Rozier on the bench for a very nice 9 man rotation.  I think the Cavs even without James would still beat Boston as currently constructed and Toronto most definitely would.  Millsap alters that picture a great deal.
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Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2017, 10:31:13 AM »

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Definitely not. Millsap is a UFA this offseason whereas Smart is a RFA next offseason. Nothing to do with the fact that Millsap is obviously better than Smart right now (and probably for the duration of each player's next contract).

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2017, 10:32:45 AM »

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No.

The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer.

If Ainge starts getting emotional like you want him to be, then he will end up making a mistake. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. If you make a mistake in basketball, it screws up your team for the long haul. Milsap is old. He is going to be a free agent. The Celtics need a Center. Milsap will get demolished by the Cavs and we lose Smart who can guard LBJ and Irving while being the 2nd playmaker on this team. He is also 22 years old.

We're not the New York Knicks. We don't just make trades for the sake of making trades so our team can improve a little bit and lose in the playoffs once again.

Again, thank god Ainge is GM because at this point, you would have us be irrelevant for the next 20 years.
Actually the emotional move is hanging onto a backup guard that is one of the worst players in NBA history because you have watched him play for 2.5 years and drafted him.  That is the emotional move.  Horford would play center with Millsap at power forward.  Big and clear upgrade.  Any time you can add what would be your best player for some bench players and limited future assets (like say Boston's 2018 1st) then you have to do it. 

And no I don't think Millsap makes Boston a real contender, but he certainly makes Boston a heck of a lot closer than they are now and with an injury to James, Boston would be the best team in the East with Horford, Millsap, Crowder, Bradley, Thomas as the starting 5 and Johnson, KO, Brown, and Rozier on the bench for a very nice 9 man rotation.  I think the Cavs even without James would still beat Boston as currently constructed and Toronto most definitely would.  Millsap alters that picture a great deal.

He's not the best player on the Celtics lol. You clearly overate Milsap who hasn't been able to shoot threes well this season, nor did he last season. He is on the decline. That is just a fact. It's embarassing that you think he is better than Thomas at this point as well. Also, HORFORD IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS A CENTER. Have you not seen that this year? Is that midget Milsap even going to solve our rebounding problems. So he can't spread the floor like he used too, he doesn't do a great job reboudning, but yet he is making us close to a contender? Do you not factor in guard defense? Have you even watched the Celtics play recently? I'm a big Smart basher, but he is actually a very useful player. It's like saying Tony Allen has no value. Over time it's been proven he clearly does.

But yeah, keep claiming Milsap would be our best player. Can't wait for Smart to shut that midget down again in the playoffs.

And if the James scenario holds true, which is a pathetic scenario. Shows how desperate some people are to win now. You are not accounting the team from the West? Draymond Green would eat Milsap alive. But let's ignore that as well. I mean who needs Smart's defense against gifted guards our league currently has. Let's get a old midget.

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #82 on: January 04, 2017, 12:58:19 PM »

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No.

The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer.

If Ainge starts getting emotional like you want him to be, then he will end up making a mistake. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. If you make a mistake in basketball, it screws up your team for the long haul. Milsap is old. He is going to be a free agent. The Celtics need a Center. Milsap will get demolished by the Cavs and we lose Smart who can guard LBJ and Irving while being the 2nd playmaker on this team. He is also 22 years old.

We're not the New York Knicks. We don't just make trades for the sake of making trades so our team can improve a little bit and lose in the playoffs once again.

Again, thank god Ainge is GM because at this point, you would have us be irrelevant for the next 20 years.
Actually the emotional move is hanging onto a backup guard that is one of the worst players in NBA history because you have watched him play for 2.5 years and drafted him.  That is the emotional move.  Horford would play center with Millsap at power forward.  Big and clear upgrade.  Any time you can add what would be your best player for some bench players and limited future assets (like say Boston's 2018 1st) then you have to do it. 

And no I don't think Millsap makes Boston a real contender, but he certainly makes Boston a heck of a lot closer than they are now and with an injury to James, Boston would be the best team in the East with Horford, Millsap, Crowder, Bradley, Thomas as the starting 5 and Johnson, KO, Brown, and Rozier on the bench for a very nice 9 man rotation.  I think the Cavs even without James would still beat Boston as currently constructed and Toronto most definitely would.  Millsap alters that picture a great deal.

He's not the best player on the Celtics lol. You clearly overate Milsap who hasn't been able to shoot threes well this season, nor did he last season. He is on the decline. That is just a fact. It's embarassing that you think he is better than Thomas at this point as well. Also, HORFORD IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS A CENTER. Have you not seen that this year? Is that midget Milsap even going to solve our rebounding problems. So he can't spread the floor like he used too, he doesn't do a great job reboudning, but yet he is making us close to a contender? Do you not factor in guard defense? Have you even watched the Celtics play recently? I'm a big Smart basher, but he is actually a very useful player. It's like saying Tony Allen has no value. Over time it's been proven he clearly does.

But yeah, keep claiming Milsap would be our best player. Can't wait for Smart to shut that midget down again in the playoffs.

And if the James scenario holds true, which is a pathetic scenario. Shows how desperate some people are to win now. You are not accounting the team from the West? Draymond Green would eat Milsap alive. But let's ignore that as well. I mean who needs Smart's defense against gifted guards our league currently has. Let's get a old midget.
Smart comes off the bench for a reason i.e. he isn't as good as Thomas or Bradley.  He is an excellent defender, but he isn't as good a defender as Bradley or probably Crowder.  Couple that with his terrible shooting, high turnover tendency, and poor decision making and he will never be anything more than a role player.  Millsap is not a role player.  Millsap would be Boston's best player (Thomas is a much better offensive player, but the gap defensively is far greater).  He is a + player in all facets of the game.  Solid defender, solid overall offensive player, good passer, rebounder, shot blocker, steal generator, etc.  And yeah he is on the wrong side of 30, but so is Horford.  Boston didn't sign Horford to build around the Brooklyn picks, it signed Horford to try and win now, and while Millsap alone doesn't make Boston a real threat to the Cavs or Warriors, it brings Boston a lot closer and should at least put Boston in the ECF to play the Cavs. 

If Boston were to acquire Millsap for Smart, Jerekbo, and Zeller (and maybe a future non prime pick like say Boston's 2018 1st lotto protected), Boston would significantly improve its team and would be one move away from a real title contender. 

Post-Trade Boston would be (with 2 open roster spots to add vets or whatever)

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Green
SF - Crowder, Brown, Young
PF - Millsap, Olynyk, Mickey
C - Horford, Johnson

That team is clearly the 2nd best team in the East something Boston isn't now.  That team would have a very strong 9 deep playoff rotation (starters + Rozier, Brown, KO, Amir).  Is it good as Cleveland, no, but it certainly is a lot closer than the current team. 

And for the record, Millsap went for 17/10/3/1.5/2 against Cleveland in the playoffs last year.  His shooting was poor, but he still filled up the stat sheet.  He shot a little better against Boston than he did against Cleveland, but had lesser stats on the whole.  Millsap was also better last year against Cleveland than he was the year before.  So yeah he is a bit older, but he is still performing well and would fill a huge need on the team. 
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Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #83 on: January 04, 2017, 01:24:50 PM »

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No.

The trade would basically be Amir + Marcus for Millsap.  The Celtics get better in the short term, but basically give up a chance to go after a big name FA in the offseason (other than extending Millsap).
Who is the big name free agent though?  There are three all star level free agents available this summer (assuming Durant and Curry both re-sign in GS).  Hayward, Griffin, and Millsap.  That is it.  If Millsap is at worst the 3rd best free agent available then why wouldn't you just acquire him now and significantly increase your chances of retaining him in the summer.

If Ainge starts getting emotional like you want him to be, then he will end up making a mistake. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball. If you make a mistake in basketball, it screws up your team for the long haul. Milsap is old. He is going to be a free agent. The Celtics need a Center. Milsap will get demolished by the Cavs and we lose Smart who can guard LBJ and Irving while being the 2nd playmaker on this team. He is also 22 years old.

We're not the New York Knicks. We don't just make trades for the sake of making trades so our team can improve a little bit and lose in the playoffs once again.

Again, thank god Ainge is GM because at this point, you would have us be irrelevant for the next 20 years.
Actually the emotional move is hanging onto a backup guard that is one of the worst players in NBA history because you have watched him play for 2.5 years and drafted him.  That is the emotional move.  Horford would play center with Millsap at power forward.  Big and clear upgrade.  Any time you can add what would be your best player for some bench players and limited future assets (like say Boston's 2018 1st) then you have to do it. 

And no I don't think Millsap makes Boston a real contender, but he certainly makes Boston a heck of a lot closer than they are now and with an injury to James, Boston would be the best team in the East with Horford, Millsap, Crowder, Bradley, Thomas as the starting 5 and Johnson, KO, Brown, and Rozier on the bench for a very nice 9 man rotation.  I think the Cavs even without James would still beat Boston as currently constructed and Toronto most definitely would.  Millsap alters that picture a great deal.

He's not the best player on the Celtics lol. You clearly overate Milsap who hasn't been able to shoot threes well this season, nor did he last season. He is on the decline. That is just a fact. It's embarassing that you think he is better than Thomas at this point as well. Also, HORFORD IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS A CENTER. Have you not seen that this year? Is that midget Milsap even going to solve our rebounding problems. So he can't spread the floor like he used too, he doesn't do a great job reboudning, but yet he is making us close to a contender? Do you not factor in guard defense? Have you even watched the Celtics play recently? I'm a big Smart basher, but he is actually a very useful player. It's like saying Tony Allen has no value. Over time it's been proven he clearly does.

But yeah, keep claiming Milsap would be our best player. Can't wait for Smart to shut that midget down again in the playoffs.

And if the James scenario holds true, which is a pathetic scenario. Shows how desperate some people are to win now. You are not accounting the team from the West? Draymond Green would eat Milsap alive. But let's ignore that as well. I mean who needs Smart's defense against gifted guards our league currently has. Let's get a old midget.
Smart comes off the bench for a reason i.e. he isn't as good as Thomas or Bradley.  He is an excellent defender, but he isn't as good a defender as Bradley or probably Crowder.  Couple that with his terrible shooting, high turnover tendency, and poor decision making and he will never be anything more than a role player.  Millsap is not a role player.  Millsap would be Boston's best player (Thomas is a much better offensive player, but the gap defensively is far greater).  He is a + player in all facets of the game.  Solid defender, solid overall offensive player, good passer, rebounder, shot blocker, steal generator, etc.  And yeah he is on the wrong side of 30, but so is Horford.  Boston didn't sign Horford to build around the Brooklyn picks, it signed Horford to try and win now, and while Millsap alone doesn't make Boston a real threat to the Cavs or Warriors, it brings Boston a lot closer and should at least put Boston in the ECF to play the Cavs. 

If Boston were to acquire Millsap for Smart, Jerekbo, and Zeller (and maybe a future non prime pick like say Boston's 2018 1st lotto protected), Boston would significantly improve its team and would be one move away from a real title contender. 

Post-Trade Boston would be (with 2 open roster spots to add vets or whatever)

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Green
SF - Crowder, Brown, Young
PF - Millsap, Olynyk, Mickey
C - Horford, Johnson

That team is clearly the 2nd best team in the East something Boston isn't now.  That team would have a very strong 9 deep playoff rotation (starters + Rozier, Brown, KO, Amir).  Is it good as Cleveland, no, but it certainly is a lot closer than the current team. 

And for the record, Millsap went for 17/10/3/1.5/2 against Cleveland in the playoffs last year.  His shooting was poor, but he still filled up the stat sheet.  He shot a little better against Boston than he did against Cleveland, but had lesser stats on the whole.  Millsap was also better last year against Cleveland than he was the year before.  So yeah he is a bit older, but he is still performing well and would fill a huge need on the team.

Milsap > Smart. That is not the argument. You're acting like this deal would move the needle when it barely makes us better. You also keep ignoring the fact that Milsap isn't a great rebounder and hasn't been a good shooter? You're also ignoring that we won't have a secondary ball handler come off the bench. I think it is clear Smart is better than Rozier on both ends honestly. This is coming from a guy who thinks Rozier will be a better player long term.

Am i supposed to be impressed with that stat line? Hahaha. Are you serious? Did you not see what Cleveland did to that defense in the playoffs? Milsap and Horford combo sure was dangerous on the defensive end haha.

I mean I get it. You're losing patience and you keep claiming Ainge will make a move just because he signed Horford, when in fact he only signed him because Horford is an asset and he gave nothing but cash to add him on the team.

We are going to build through the draft unless we get Paul George or another top ten player. You can keep making claims and sharing your opinion, but Ainge isn't going to make a move just to make a move like you want him to. He's not a fan and he's not emotional. He can wait another year and just keep building through the draft. He can trade Horford and IT for more assets anytime he wants. There is no pressure for him to make moves, lol. We'll see what happens this deadline.

I promise you if we trade for Milsap, it will be a similar trade to the IT one. A late first rounder.

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #84 on: January 04, 2017, 01:31:05 PM »

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Adding Millsap for Smart would make Boston a lot better because it would balance the team a lot better.  And Millsap has a higher TRB% than any big man on the Celtics and that is with him sharing the floor with Howard who is still one of the best rebounders in the game.  He would instantly be Boston's best rebounder and it wouldn't be all that close. 

I'd rather take minutes away from Zeller, Jerekbo, Olynyk and Johnson and give them to Millsap then have Smart play instead of Rozier and Brown (who would get Smart's minutes).  Boston is a significantly better team with Millsap than it is with Smart, it isn't close at all.
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Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #86 on: January 04, 2017, 03:07:06 PM »

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Adding Millsap for Smart would make Boston a lot better because it would balance the team a lot better.  And Millsap has a higher TRB% than any big man on the Celtics and that is with him sharing the floor with Howard who is still one of the best rebounders in the game.  He would instantly be Boston's best rebounder and it wouldn't be all that close. 

I'd rather take minutes away from Zeller, Jerekbo, Olynyk and Johnson and give them to Millsap then have Smart play instead of Rozier and Brown (who would get Smart's minutes).  Boston is a significantly better team with Millsap than it is with Smart, it isn't close at all.

This is silly. If he is such an impact player, why is Atlanta worse from last year? They have Howard who is having a great year and yet their record is 500. Hmm....Your comment isn't adding up. Seems like every year a player becomes available and because there is no other players available, writers start to hype the available player up just for clicks.

Milsap is so overrated. Clearly Horford is better since he is the piece they lost from last year.

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Adding Millsap for Smart would make Boston a lot better because it would balance the team a lot better.  And Millsap has a higher TRB% than any big man on the Celtics and that is with him sharing the floor with Howard who is still one of the best rebounders in the game.  He would instantly be Boston's best rebounder and it wouldn't be all that close. 

I'd rather take minutes away from Zeller, Jerekbo, Olynyk and Johnson and give them to Millsap then have Smart play instead of Rozier and Brown (who would get Smart's minutes).  Boston is a significantly better team with Millsap than it is with Smart, it isn't close at all.

This is silly. If he is such an impact player, why is Atlanta worse from last year? They have Howard who is having a great year and yet their record is 500. Hmm....Your comment isn't adding up. Seems like every year a player becomes available and because there is no other players available, writers start to hype the available player up just for clicks.

Milsap is so overrated. Clearly Horford is better since he is the piece they lost from last year.

I feel compelled to note that the Hawks also lost their starting PG.  While Schroeder was the heir apparent, he's a small step down from the last couple of seasons of Jeff Teague.  Furthermore, their new backup PG, Malcolm Delaney, has been terrible.  We should all wish for him to go to Brooklyn.

Moranis may be overrating Milsap, but I wouldn't say that Milsap is "overrated" in the general sense.  He's a very, very good PF, and would unquestionably be an upgrade to our front court.  Saying "the Hawks aren't a great team, therefore it's Milsap's fault" isn't really solid analysis.

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« Reply #88 on: January 04, 2017, 03:25:53 PM »

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Adding Millsap for Smart would make Boston a lot better because it would balance the team a lot better.  And Millsap has a higher TRB% than any big man on the Celtics and that is with him sharing the floor with Howard who is still one of the best rebounders in the game.  He would instantly be Boston's best rebounder and it wouldn't be all that close. 

I'd rather take minutes away from Zeller, Jerekbo, Olynyk and Johnson and give them to Millsap then have Smart play instead of Rozier and Brown (who would get Smart's minutes).  Boston is a significantly better team with Millsap than it is with Smart, it isn't close at all.

This is silly. If he is such an impact player, why is Atlanta worse from last year? They have Howard who is having a great year and yet their record is 500. Hmm....Your comment isn't adding up. Seems like every year a player becomes available and because there is no other players available, writers start to hype the available player up just for clicks.

Milsap is so overrated. Clearly Horford is better since he is the piece they lost from last year.

I feel compelled to note that the Hawks also lost their starting PG.  While Schroeder was the heir apparent, he's a small step down from the last couple of seasons of Jeff Teague.  Furthermore, their new backup PG, Malcolm Delaney, has been terrible.  We should all wish for him to go to Brooklyn.

Moranis may be overrating Milsap, but I wouldn't say that Milsap is "overrated" in the general sense.  He's a very, very good PF, and would unquestionably be an upgrade to our front court.  Saying "the Hawks aren't a great team, therefore it's Milsap's fault" isn't really solid analysis.

Thank you for chiming in. Milsap is most definitely overrated. He was in consideration for DOP last year which is insane imo. He's not that good imo. He's a solid player in this league. And yes I can use wins and losses to make my claim. That is an important component in evaluating players. Also, how is that not solid analysis? Moranis SAID HE IS AN IMPACT PLAYER. How can he be that impactful when he is on a pretty decent team with a solid roster, plays in the east where there is a pile of doo, and yet they can't be above 500? Did I say the Hawks need to be great? No, I just said they should be better than their record is if he is going to make a significant impact on the Celtics.

I love this though, keep it coming please.

Re: Would you give up Smart for Millsap? I would (Poll)
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2017, 03:36:33 PM »

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Ainge isn' going to sign Milsap at this point in the Celtics program .   That ship sailed years ago with Hawks .....get real. Smh