Celtics (19-13) at Cavaliers (23-7) Game #33 12/29/16

[apc]

Giving up 66 points seems like way too much. Feels like we need to come up with a stellar defensive effort or else we won't be able to stay in this.

Yes , they got whatever they wanted on offense.

[SHAQATTACK]

Smart with some terrific D on James to end the game. Love when the refs allow him to play.

I think it's clear that Al is a center defensively. He's so good defending at the rim and in the post, but his perimeter D, especially on PnRs, is severely lacking. It does make you wonder about him ultimately being a PF long-term with us trying to upgrade our C position with a Boogie, Noel, or Bogut type.

Boogie!

Yup......Boogie on the C's evens the playing field .

[Eja117]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

Exactly. Didn't take a genius to leave him in

[coco]

Smart with some terrific D on James to end the game. Love when the refs allow him to play.

I think it's clear that Al is a center defensively. He's so good defending at the rim and in the post, but his perimeter D, especially on PnRs, is severely lacking. It does make you wonder about him ultimately being a PF long-term with us trying to upgrade our C position with a Boogie, Noel, or Bogut type.

We need a small forward even more than a big man.

Boogie!

Yup......Boogie on the C's evens the playing field .

[alewilliam789]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

He also came in and gave up 6 points in a matter of 3 minutes and 40 something seconds. Brad's playing to win and he's teaching Brown to play winning basketball. Until he consistently makes the correct/smart decisions defensively and offensively he won't get a ton of playing time. This will allow Brown to become a smarter player. He will get his time, but for now the Celtics should be focusing on winning this basketball game and I think Brown will agree

Don't be box score scouting

[trickybilly]

Exactly, he doesn't really care if Jaylen hits his shots or not, that does not really determine his playing time. Nice fadeaway though, that could become a thing for him.

In other news, Philly are trying to build up Nerlen's value with early minutes over in Utah. He looks really good.

[manl_lui]

I say the game is still relatively close so far, man can the Cavs shoot the 3 ball, kinda hard playing against a big 3 who are all capable of scoring at will vs our big 2 with only one who is capable

[Eja117]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

He also came in and gave up 6 points in a matter of 3 minutes and 40 something seconds. Brad's playing to win and he's teaching Brown to play winning basketball. Until he consistently makes the correct/smart decisions defensively and offensively he won't get a ton of playing time. This will allow Brown to become a smarter player. He will get his time, but for now the Celtics should be focusing on winning this basketball game and I think Brown will agree

Ok so what's the excuse for $26 million men that can't buy rebounds, or players that can't hit a shot all game till crunch time, or players softer than a goose down pillow (and the goose was a Canadian goose high on doobies)? When do those guys get taught?

[hpantazo]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

Exactly. Didn't take a genius to leave him in

He was consistently missing defensive assignments.

[Fireworks_Boom!]

Did you read coach's lips when he called a timeout when cleveland hit wide open 3 from corner? Something to the effect, "You gotta HELP..." Brown is missing role on defensive shifts and creating a porous defense.

[celticslove]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

He also came in and gave up 6 points in a matter of 3 minutes and 40 something seconds. Brad's playing to win and he's teaching Brown to play winning basketball. Until he consistently makes the correct/smart decisions defensively and offensively he won't get a ton of playing time. This will allow Brown to become a smarter player. He will get his time, but for now the Celtics should be focusing on winning this basketball game and I think Brown will agree

Ok so what's the excuse for $26 million men that can't buy rebounds, or players that can't hit a shot all game till crunch time, or players softer than a goose down pillow (and the goose was a Canadian goose high on doobies)? When do those guys get taught?

they get a pass coz they're not rookies.lol you score and gave up points (just like everybody else) and you sit. no logic in that

[celticslove]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

Exactly. Didn't take a genius to leave him in

He was consistently missing defensive assignments.

so as everybody else

[alewilliam789]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

He also came in and gave up 6 points in a matter of 3 minutes and 40 something seconds. Brad's playing to win and he's teaching Brown to play winning basketball. Until he consistently makes the correct/smart decisions defensively and offensively he won't get a ton of playing time. This will allow Brown to become a smarter player. He will get his time, but for now the Celtics should be focusing on winning this basketball game and I think Brown will agree

Ok so what's the excuse for $26 million men that can't buy rebounds, or players that can't hit a shot all game till crunch time, or players softer than a goose down pillow (and the goose was a Canadian goose high on doobies)? When do those guys get taught?

Well first of all these players have been in the league for multiple years. Horford was declining as a rebounder before we signed him and honestly that's on Danny for not bringing in extra help. He's also the best post scorer/frontcourt player we have and a shot blocker for us so his pros outweigh the cons for this team. Kelly will learn when he goes to get a contract this next year.

For Brown it's like this. If you can't play defense and are all offense why wouldn't we just play Green because he's shown it can light it up? If he's only playing defense why wouldn't we just play Crowder who has shown he knows the rotations and can lock down? Brown's pros don't outweigh his cons if he doesn't make the right plays

All these players at this point are what they are. Smart may not become a much better shooter, Olynyk won't become a beast over a span of seasons unless he takes like PEDS or something. Brown is a clay that Brad and Danny want to one day hand the keys to the franchise to. They want to teach him the right way to play so that when he's a veteran he can be the leader and winner that this team is looking for.

[jpotter33]

Exactly, he doesn't really care if Jaylen hits his shots or not, that does not really determine his playing time. Nice fadeaway though, that could become a thing for him.

In other news, Philly are trying to build up Nerlen's value with early minutes over in Utah. He looks really good.

Yeah, Embiid is resting tonight, so he actually gets to play. It's pretty ridiculous, especially with how bad Okafor has been.

[hpantazo]

Stevens is simply not doing a good job coaching this year. He puts in Jaylen. Jaylen does some of his best basketball and they pull close. Immediately takes him out. Cavs pull away. Just bad coaching this year. Rewarding softness. Punishing good play. That's Brad this year.

funny this is not the first time he done that.

Jaylen blew two defensive assignments that's why he got pulled. He needs to have better awareness defensively if he's going to play because plays like that kill us in this types of games

If everyone got pulled for blown defensive assignments no one would play. Look at Green, Kelly, JJ, etc...

But for our young player it doesn't send a good message to play him anyways? You want him to become disciplined and make the right plays and considering we have Green coming in and cooking than he should know we don't have to play him. He needs to earn his minutes.

So Jaylen should be held to a standard that no one else on the team is? What does that teach a young player?

To become disciplined and studious of the game. You people act like this is the first time he's missed defensive assignments. He's had a problem on rotations all season and it has not gotten much better.  If you come in after 5 minutes and give up two 3 pointers you should get pulled considering you have two competant SF with abilities to make contributions as well.

I love JB by the way

Brown played 4 minutes scored 4 points, 2 rebounds and an assist.

Exactly. Didn't take a genius to leave him in

He was consistently missing defensive assignments.

so as everybody else

That's just not true. You gotta be able to trust guys to be in the right place on defense in our schemes, and Brown is just not there yet.