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green picked a good time to put on a show
« on: December 27, 2016, 06:46:27 AM »

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with the national exposure and his coming off the bench to spark may have pumped his value
i still believe his ability to get shots and space floor for smart in 2nd half of season and playoffs is critical for 2nd unit
-it seems the trust factor with rozier has taken a knock
-those alley oops were final straw to poor decision making and execution in december-
not knocking rozier but as much horsepower  rozier and brown have, they both can have problems finishing
green ,rozier and brown are quite a mix of athleticism  for brad to play with
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with the national exposure and his coming off the bench to spark may have pumped his value
i still believe his ability to get shots and space floor for smart in 2nd half of season and playoffs is critical for 2nd unit
-it seems the trust factor with rozier has taken a knock
-those alley oops were final straw to poor decision making and execution in december-
not knocking rozier but as much horsepower  rozier and brown have, they both can have problems finishing
green ,rozier and brown are quite a mix of athleticism  for brad to play with

Could also be Green's been showing something special in practices...

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2016, 09:21:15 AM »

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Green was supposed to be instant offense off the bench, and until the Knicks game that had been absent.  Would love to see that happen, but color me skeptical based on one good game.  Might not be bad for Brown and Rozier to watch a little though.

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2016, 09:35:18 AM »

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Maybe National TV Gerald will become a thing.

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2016, 09:38:01 AM »

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I think Green's biggest value is as a replacement in our 2nd unit if a trade is made to consolidate.

I think you can get a whole lot more value in a trade with Rozier, Jerebko, Zeller, Johnson, non-BKN firsts.
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2016, 09:38:19 AM »

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just went and looked up hip flexor-recovery time can be 4-8weeks and this could explain why i hadn't seen green really getting up like he should
it effected his pre season and started to be reported again dec 14and had to sit out heats game
this kind of nagging injury for a leaper could be bothersome

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2016, 10:16:08 AM »

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I'm looking at Gerald Green's career stats. He is a crapshoot chucker? The only thing he looks reliable for is free throw shooting. Except from 2013-15, nothing in his stats says anything but chucker. Doesn't he also have a poor reputation for defense?

For his career, Gerald Green over 36 minutes has averaged 2.2 turnovers to 1.8 assists. Interestingly this year, Gerald is averaging 4.4 assists to 2.1 turnovers.

It's Brad's system, not Gerald Green?

I'm not saying Green has no chance to makeover his career with the Celtics. I just think it is highly unlikely.

Green might deserve a bit more of a role that the one broken down crashed Gerald Wallace had during his peak as a Celtic, but I am not sure he will ever merit much more than that.

Green should be Brown's backup. That might sound like harsh analysis for a veteran, but that's where I am.

I searched for info on Gerald Green for defense and a Rollie thread was the fourth result.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86661.0

And this is Gerald from last year on Miami:

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This year they’ve got me on the best players, so I’ve taken the challenge. They give me confidence and they encourage me so much to go out and do it. I’ve never been encouraged to play defense with any other team I’ve been on.

It looks like Gerald was mad at Phoenix for criticizing his defense.

Oh, the poor baby.

He seems to me to be an RJ Hunter. People say he is a shooter. No, he is a chucker. There are guys like Green, Marcus Thornton and Jordan Crawford who will put up points for you. The caveat is they will hog the ball and miss a lot of shots.

Isaiah is so dangerous because he isn't a chucker or is becoming a more efficient shooter and he gets to the free throw line which ties in with the real shooting percentage stat.

How is Gerald Green not a chucker? And why is he so dependent on teams pampering him? God forbid anyone criticizes Gerald Green's defense! His confidence might get a boo-boo.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2016, 10:31:39 AM »

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I think you can get a whole lot more value in a trade with Rozier, Jerebko, Zeller, Johnson, non-BKN firsts.
This package will only get you a player that a team wants to put out of their locker room ASAP, or someone who is able to walk in the offseason. You're pretty much offering a bag of spare parts.
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2016, 10:56:57 AM »

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I'm looking at Gerald Green's career stats. He is a crapshoot chucker? The only thing he looks reliable for is free throw shooting. Except from 2013-15, nothing in his stats says anything but chucker. Doesn't he also have a poor reputation for defense?

For his career, Gerald Green over 36 minutes has averaged 2.2 turnovers to 1.8 assists. Interestingly this year, Gerald is averaging 4.4 assists to 2.1 turnovers.

It's Brad's system, not Gerald Green?

I'm not saying Green has no chance to makeover his career with the Celtics. I just think it is highly unlikely.

Green might deserve a bit more of a role that the one broken down crashed Gerald Wallace had during his peak as a Celtic, but I am not sure he will ever merit much more than that.

Green should be Brown's backup. That might sound like harsh analysis for a veteran, but that's where I am.

I searched for info on Gerald Green for defense and a Rollie thread was the fourth result.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86661.0

And this is Gerald from last year on Miami:

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This year they’ve got me on the best players, so I’ve taken the challenge. They give me confidence and they encourage me so much to go out and do it. I’ve never been encouraged to play defense with any other team I’ve been on.

It looks like Gerald was mad at Phoenix for criticizing his defense.

Oh, the poor baby.

He seems to me to be an RJ Hunter. People say he is a shooter. No, he is a chucker. There are guys like Green, Marcus Thornton and Jordan Crawford who will put up points for you. The caveat is they will hog the ball and miss a lot of shots.

Isaiah is so dangerous because he isn't a chucker or is becoming a more efficient shooter and he gets to the free throw line which ties in with the real shooting percentage stat.

How is Gerald Green not a chucker? And why is he so dependent on teams pampering him? God forbid anyone criticizes Gerald Green's defense! His confidence might get a boo-boo.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2016, 11:41:08 AM »

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I'm looking at Gerald Green's career stats. He is a crapshoot chucker? The only thing he looks reliable for is free throw shooting. Except from 2013-15, nothing in his stats says anything but chucker. Doesn't he also have a poor reputation for defense?

For his career, Gerald Green over 36 minutes has averaged 2.2 turnovers to 1.8 assists. Interestingly this year, Gerald is averaging 4.4 assists to 2.1 turnovers.

It's Brad's system, not Gerald Green?

I'm not saying Green has no chance to makeover his career with the Celtics. I just think it is highly unlikely.

Green might deserve a bit more of a role that the one broken down crashed Gerald Wallace had during his peak as a Celtic, but I am not sure he will ever merit much more than that.

Green should be Brown's backup. That might sound like harsh analysis for a veteran, but that's where I am.

I searched for info on Gerald Green for defense and a Rollie thread was the fourth result.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86661.0

And this is Gerald from last year on Miami:

Quote
This year they’ve got me on the best players, so I’ve taken the challenge. They give me confidence and they encourage me so much to go out and do it. I’ve never been encouraged to play defense with any other team I’ve been on.

It looks like Gerald was mad at Phoenix for criticizing his defense.

Oh, the poor baby.

He seems to me to be an RJ Hunter. People say he is a shooter. No, he is a chucker. There are guys like Green, Marcus Thornton and Jordan Crawford who will put up points for you. The caveat is they will hog the ball and miss a lot of shots.

Isaiah is so dangerous because he isn't a chucker or is becoming a more efficient shooter and he gets to the free throw line which ties in with the real shooting percentage stat.

How is Gerald Green not a chucker? And why is he so dependent on teams pampering him? God forbid anyone criticizes Gerald Green's defense! His confidence might get a boo-boo.

He looked good yesterday. He wasn't hogging the ball. Took shots that were there and didn't force it. His defense looked pretty good too. Not great, but you really can't play too tight on defense in the NBA. Otherwise, they'll call foul after foul. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2016, 04:58:50 PM »

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You make a strong case for Gerald Green, Rollie. He has a decent assist to turnover ratio so far this year. The hip flexor info gives him plausible deniability for a rough start.

He was improving from 2013-15.

I don't think he is a useless scrub like James Young or a lot of people seem to be done with Jordan Mickey. They are maybe done with Rozier who I think is simply slumping. He hit the sophomore wall. Green is doing what he has to as alleyoopster points out to stay in the hunt. As a veteran, he might be able to produce some magic in the playoffs.

Maybe Green can fulfill his potential as a team player on the Celtics. He must be frustrated that things didn't last in Miami.

Danny needs to be precise with his roster decisions, or else Brad tends to give everyone minutes for as long as possible and I think that is why we have had some lulls during seasons.

But then again, the players have to get it done to make the decision easier for Brad. Like with Olynyk, Amir and Jerebko. They'll look great for stretches, but then it seems one or all three lose consistency. Then before we know it, in comes Zeller and the merry-go-round of doubts persist.

Except for Bogans and maybe Courtney Lee, I can't think of any other Celtics who made too much selfish noise. I guess Brad knows best when he gets stubborn in stretching out the roster.

And him and Danny or one of them did say last year they regretted not playing the bench more during the regular season. We got hit by injuries and the deep bench wasn't ready.

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2016, 04:19:52 AM »

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hey celticspride -nice to see green accommodate my point of view
his strengths are what we need over the 2nd half and inplayoffs
as the league settles into the 2nd half some teams stop playing defence with any commitment
green is another weapon for brad
 green got a standing ovation
-this isn't lost on him or the players around league and a testament of bostons fans appreciation
of the game of basketball 

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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2016, 04:33:11 AM »

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Maybe National TV Gerald will become a thing.

Like National TV Rondo? Let's hope Green starts showing up consistently.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2016, 05:26:56 AM »

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Green has to really get his feet wet. If DA ends up trading JB,Rozier/Smart, KO, Zeller/Amir and possibly 2 Brooklyn first for Boogie..that is the price at Kings ransom should Sacramento call it quits with DC....if still do it because DC mmis an allstar center that can slot in quit well at amirs spot and we may have what it takes to beat the Cavs.
Green is I believe being jumpstart in case this type of trade happens.

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2016, 06:04:52 AM »

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green was brought in for his ability to score and heat up,his affiliation with isaiah and chemistry from phoenix made his vet minimum a no brainer after young and rj couldn't produce
rozier and brown are in essence both rookies
the scouting reports on rozier ,the amount of travel and games, the pressure of night to night,jet lag and time zones with bad games thrown in and dealing with nba offence /defense-
green is a proven 10 year vet
rozier might have started pressing its his 2nd season with most of last year in d league
everything is a lesson for rozier and brown on how to handle situations even losing playing time is valuable lesson
a year ago rozier was eating spaghetti  sandwiches -now its a bite of humble pie
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