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Can Brown Play the 4?
« on: December 26, 2016, 01:54:54 AM »

Offline OldSchoolDude

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All the interest I see pop up about signing Milsap made me wonder if Brown couldn't become our version of Milsap.

I believe that Brown looked best during the preseason when he was playing the 4.   I see his defense being physical enough to guard the 4 very well if he can add some weight.  He talked about his first minutes at the 4 in this clip from preseason. 
http://www.celticslife.com/2016/10/video-jaylen-brown-talks-about-his.html

I still believe we will get Hayward as a free agent this summer and he will anchor the SF spot for years to come.  So that puts Brown at the 2 or the 4. His shooting is not quite what I'd want from a 2, at least not yet, but then it took Bradley a few years to get his shot down.  With some weight I think Brown can be a two way force at the 4. 

PG Thomas / Smart / Jackson
SG Bradley / Tatum / Nader
SF Hayward / Crowder / Jerebko
PF Horford / Brown / Yabusele
 C Vucevic / Zizic / Zeller

For this line up I trade KO and Rozier for Vucevic and sign Hayward as a free agent.






Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2016, 02:13:57 AM »

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I like the thought, but that team won't challenge Cleveland, let alone Golden State.

The problem with signing Hayward is that he's going to get a max deal. I'm almost starting to think that IT might be worth top dollar.

Horford+IT+Hayward does not equal a championship base, in my opinion.
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Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 03:22:51 AM »

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IT, Bradley, Crowder, Noel, and Horford.

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 04:32:26 AM »

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IT, Bradley, Crowder, Noel, and Horford.

I like this line up. I am unsure if it is good enough to win a championship. I believe it needs a sixth man we haven't got. If only KO was more consistent.

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 06:38:23 AM »

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IT, Bradley, Crowder, Noel, and Horford.

I like this line up. I am unsure if it is good enough to win a championship. I believe it needs a sixth man we haven't got. If only KO was more consistent.
Smart is the guy off the bench. In any case, still not good enough. 

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2016, 08:48:23 AM »

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All the interest I see pop up about signing Milsap made me wonder if Brown couldn't become our version of Milsap.

I believe that Brown looked best during the preseason when he was playing the 4.   I see his defense being physical enough to guard the 4 very well if he can add some weight.  He talked about his first minutes at the 4 in this clip from preseason. 
http://www.celticslife.com/2016/10/video-jaylen-brown-talks-about-his.html

I still believe we will get Hayward as a free agent this summer and he will anchor the SF spot for years to come.  So that puts Brown at the 2 or the 4. His shooting is not quite what I'd want from a 2, at least not yet, but then it took Bradley a few years to get his shot down.  With some weight I think Brown can be a two way force at the 4. 

PG Thomas / Smart / Jackson
SG Bradley / Tatum / Nader
SF Hayward / Crowder / Jerebko
PF Horford / Brown / Yabusele
 C Vucevic / Zizic / Zeller

For this line up I trade KO and Rozier for Vucevic and sign Hayward as a free agent.

I think Brown is more effective at the 2/3 wing slot.  At the 4 that's an extreme small ball lineup.

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 09:02:55 AM »

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In your hypothetical you have us taking Tatum which means I assume we kept the pick and didnt get Fultz. In that scenario I love taking Tatum, but he is alot more of a 3/4 than a 3/2 like Brown is.

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Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 09:18:30 AM »

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Maybe in a couple years but not right now. I mean, honestly, I think Jaylen is a two but it seems like the majority see him as a 3. He is best suited to play the 2/3 slot.

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2016, 09:29:19 AM »

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Right now, no. 

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 11:04:27 AM »

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In your hypothetical you have us taking Tatum which means I assume we kept the pick and didn't get Fultz. In that scenario I love taking Tatum, but he is a lot more of a 3/4 than a 3/2 like Brown is.

I'm assuming we we get top five like 3-5. We could also take Josh Jackson and he could play the 4, he's a little bigger than Brown.  There have been a lot of posts about Tatum so I tried to see what it could look like if we got him.  I watched a few Duke games and I do think he can play as a big SG.  Kobe and MJ both played SG and exploited their size advantage. Klay Thompson is 6'7 and he uses his size to shot over people.  I think Tatum would be a monster at the 2 spot. However, I would take Ball of we picked first as I've watched a few of his games already and I am really impressed with his game.  He is Jason Kid with a legit jump shot.  I'd take Fultz second but that opinion could change if I can watch him more. Either way, I see picking Ball or Fultz pushing IT out.  We would be drafting the future at PG and we'd have a year to see if he's the real deal.  If we hit a home run in the draft at PG, IT is not maxed out and he likely walks.  If he takes the home town discount he eventually comes off the bench.  I see Fultz as a Westbrook type player.  He could play SG easily but I don't know if he fits next to IT.  In any case if he does play well next to IT then we'll loose Bradley. 

In my Hypothetical we keepThomas, but if we pick Ball or Fultz I think we move Thomas.  Check out this article about trading Thomas and it's not because the Celtics are better without him.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2016/12/14/why-the-celtics-should-at-least-consider-trading-isaiah-thomas

I do have us trading for a big and I went with Vucevic since that is the latest trade rumor. 

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 11:28:43 AM »

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IT, Bradley, Crowder, Noel, and Horford.

I like this line up. I am unsure if it is good enough to win a championship. I believe it needs a sixth man we haven't got. If only KO was more consistent.

Really? 
I like Crowder, but seriously now, Hayward is better than Crowder.  Also, Crowder off the bench really strengthens the second unit.  It adds tough defense and some scoring.   
I've been enamored with Noel for a wile, but lately I'm turned off.  Before Orlando changed coaches Vucevic was a double double Machine.  He's still pulling down 10+ rebounds off the bench.  Blocks:  Noel 1.49 Vucevic 1.08 averages for 2015-2016 season, so about a one block difference every other game.   
Check out this piece on trading for Vucevic
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2016/12/24/nba-rumors-boston-is-the-most-logical-landing-spot-for-orlando-magics-nikola-vucevic/#2ad355321849

As a starting 5:
IT, Bradley, Hayward, Horford, Vucevic > IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Noel

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 12:59:25 PM »

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This team needs more rebounding and inside oressence at defense. Brown at the 4 is not and will not be that type of player. We need an excellent 4/5 not at 2/3 masquerading as a 4.

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 01:40:42 PM »

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Can Brown play the 2?

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 01:47:05 PM »

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I'd agree that he is more a 2/3 but we are talking about BS.
 BS likes going very small so we may see him at the 4 for stetches pretty soon, though I feel that is a mistake.

Re: Can Brown Play the 4?
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2016, 04:07:54 PM »

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Brown is a pure three who is young enough like Paul Pierce was to handle some shooting guard. He also put on a three point shooting clinic when auditioning for the Celtics. No one was covering him, but he showed he can hit them.

Larry Bird was 22 when he joined the Celtics? The only thing preventing Jaylen Brown from a bigger role is his inexperience.

That's why we must play him as much as possible. The sooner he becomes accustomed to NBA competition, the better we will be in the playoffs. He shows a pretty good understanding of defense, and when he finds himself out of place, he is quick enough to fix the mistake. He can help out others. He has physical talent that Smart lacks, but with Marcus and Crowder to lead the way, Jaylen Brown could someday (hopefully soon) become a very special all-star including on defense.

Put him on Philadelphia and he might have become the next Evan Turner. This is why we must be patient. Jaylen Brown is part of the solution, but he is not ready yet for a big role and we are too good to just play him millions of minutes.

Jaylen may or may not become a big rotation piece this year. I could see him ending up as a consistent 25 minute per game player by the end of 2016-17. He could play 15 minutes of small forward and ten as shooting guard. That would probably mean Rozier out of the picture. I think Marcus has made a leap at point guard.

Crowder can play the four if the other team is small because he is made out of concrete. I'd rather Jaylen Brown develop into a Michael Jordan type force on offense before trying to bulk up into a Paul Pierce. Jaylen seems to have a slim body type. Maybe that is Zeller's problem. And the tall guy on the Knicks looks like he's underfed. Body types are a huge factor. Olynyk seems to be much tougher than Zeller. I never would have guessed that happening when the front court was basically Tyler, Kelly and Jared.

I used to want Zeller played more. He was our only pure center when he first arrived unless I'm forgetting Jason Collins or someone.

I think we will sign Sanders. It makes too much sense. I don't think Brad is thinking small ball as much anymore. He will keep it in his bag of tricks, but he is not as stubborn like Doc was. Brad obviously likes to go big, too, at times. Stevens is interesting for substitutions and how he seems to be able to keep everyone happy. He was benched in college despite being better than younger players. The coach said the new guys needed to learn because the seniors wouldn't be able to help in the next year. Brad understands karma. Doc excelled at that too, with atmosphere and chemistry, until he got burnt out as a Celtic and proceeded to commit NBA treason.

So Crowder maybe can play the four or Jerebko is the pure four. Mickey gets no chance. Olynyk, Al, and Amir are pure power forward/center hybrids. Zeller is a pure center who can't defend centers.

The schedule continues to look tough. We clearly need Noel or Sanders or to  keep rooting for Olynyk and Amir for continued improvement and that should suffice for a bridge year. Jaylen Brown is the least of our worries. He is going nowhere unless there is a fireworks trade.

I don't think any trade will sway Danny to go all in. Why should he trade Jaylen, Marcus or any young guy when there are two more probable top five picks coming in?

Gerald had a good game for once. Jaylen and Green are probably competing for some of the same minutes as cups of coffee off the bench. Jaylen is definitely the best option for backup small forward by a mile.

Jaylen Brown will benefit a lot with team practices.

I'd go with Smart, Brown, Crowder, Amir and Horford for a big big lineup.

I want more Jaylen Brown minutes. He's not that bad for a rookie. He's actually definitely serviceable most games and at times dominating and somehow looks good and basketball wise for his age.

Ainge is a genius. He has proven himself. Jaylen Brown is his crowning achievement. Isaiah and Al are bridges or the next Boston sports folklore heroes.

I should have held my ground we are #1 for the future rankings.