Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?

[Moranis]

Final no from the Celtics point of view. 


Celtics have two sf that need minutes.  Where does Porters fit? 

Yes he can play some minutes at PF but he should not be a PF full time.

Sure he could, or Crowder or Brown eventually, take your pick.  A lot of teams, and many of the top teams, play a traditional SF at the 4 for large portions of the game.  It's been this way for several years, and Stevens has said for quite some time that he'd like to be able to play that way. more, but he doesn't have the personnel, so instead he runs out three guard lineups with Crowder at the 4.  Porter is starting at the 4 in Washington at this point, and they close the game with him there too.

And outside of LeBron and Green, which team has been successfully outside playing just a few minutes a game? 

Is he the new Barnes on this site to be the  PF?

Yeah I don't see the small ball lineup being a future trend.  It works well in Golden State because they are just so good offensively, but I can't see it working as a thing going forward because it is hard to have the offensive talent that Golden St. does.

[saltlover]

Final no from the Celtics point of view. 


Celtics have two sf that need minutes.  Where does Porters fit? 

Yes he can play some minutes at PF but he should not be a PF full time.

Sure he could, or Crowder or Brown eventually, take your pick.  A lot of teams, and many of the top teams, play a traditional SF at the 4 for large portions of the game.  It's been this way for several years, and Stevens has said for quite some time that he'd like to be able to play that way. more, but he doesn't have the personnel, so instead he runs out three guard lineups with Crowder at the 4.  Porter is starting at the 4 in Washington at this point, and they close the game with him there too.

And outside of LeBron and Green, which team has been successfully outside playing just a few minutes a game? 

Is he the new Barnes on this site to be the  PF?

Maybe?  I mean, we can pretend that Jerebko isn't getting a lot of minutes as is, and that Stevens hasn't said in the past that he feels the roster doesn't have enough swings, which is Porter and Crowder's position.  The reason that people bring up players like Barnes, or suggest Crowder would move to the four if we got Hayward, is because Stevens has shown a willingness, if not preference, to have two of those players on the court at the same time. And as to being this year's Barnes -- last year Porter shot better than Barnes, and this year it isn't close.  And he rebounds too.  So Porter is a better version of Barnes.  Does he have the je ne sais quoi to be at least a number two scoring option?  That I can't say.  But his game fits very well into what the Celtics are trying to do, and we might not be able to get Cousins or Griffin or Hayward or George or Butler.  And I'd rather dump a lot of money into Porter's lap than the lap of Nerlens Noel.

There are only so many choices to improving the team next summer.  Porter shouldn't be the first choice, but he shouldn't be that far down the list.  Or we should just decide we're content with the current squad, and hope to get major steps forward from Brown, Smart, and Olynyk, and that one of our rookies is already NBA ready.

[alewilliam789]

If Porter is given a max it will be completely idiotic. Even though he's putting up good stats, it's clear he isn't a winning basketball player because he hasn't really helped improve them as a team. His stats aren't worth a max contract and his affect on the game isn't worth it either.

[spikelovetheCelts]

If Porter is given a max it will be completely idiotic. Even though he's putting up good stats, it's clear he isn't a winning basketball player because he hasn't really helped improve them as a team. His stats aren't worth a max contract and his affect on the game isn't worth it either.

This thread should be on the NBA Page. And yes he is not worth the Max.

[wdleehi]

Final no from the Celtics point of view. 


Celtics have two sf that need minutes.  Where does Porters fit? 

Yes he can play some minutes at PF but he should not be a PF full time.

Sure he could, or Crowder or Brown eventually, take your pick.  A lot of teams, and many of the top teams, play a traditional SF at the 4 for large portions of the game.  It's been this way for several years, and Stevens has said for quite some time that he'd like to be able to play that way. more, but he doesn't have the personnel, so instead he runs out three guard lineups with Crowder at the 4.  Porter is starting at the 4 in Washington at this point, and they close the game with him there too.

And outside of LeBron and Green, which team has been successfully outside playing just a few minutes a game? 

Is he the new Barnes on this site to be the  PF?

Maybe?  I mean, we can pretend that Jerebko isn't getting a lot of minutes as is, and that Stevens hasn't said in the past that he feels the roster doesn't have enough swings, which is Porter and Crowder's position.  The reason that people bring up players like Barnes, or suggest Crowder would move to the four if we got Hayward, is because Stevens has shown a willingness, if not preference, to have two of those players on the court at the same time. And as to being this year's Barnes -- last year Porter shot better than Barnes, and this year it isn't close.  And he rebounds too.  So Porter is a better version of Barnes.  Does he have the je ne sais quoi to be at least a number two scoring option?  That I can't say.  But his game fits very well into what the Celtics are trying to do, and we might not be able to get Cousins or Griffin or Hayward or George or Butler.  And I'd rather dump a lot of money into Porter's lap than the lap of Nerlens Noel.

There are only so many choices to improving the team next summer.  Porter shouldn't be the first choice, but he shouldn't be that far down the list.  Or we should just decide we're content with the current squad, and hope to get major steps forward from Brown, Smart, and Olynyk, and that one of our rookies is already NBA ready.

Does he want to play small or is Jerebko the best choice as a PF because of matchups?


I tend to lean towards the matchup reason. 


But that is a role the team needs, not a max level player. 


I want to see a max level player that forces other teams to try and game plan for. 

[Bobshot]

I think the star Ainge is after is Millsap. The cap space numbers I just published from Eric Pincus in a thread indicates the best FA fit most likely to be available is Millsap. He fits the Celtics needs perfectly, and Horford's presence should be a strong pull.

If Danny makes a trade this season, it will most likely be for a Boguts or secondary rebounder.
He will want to keep cap space open for a max player like Millsap.

Porter doesn't look like a max player to me. Noel is a possibility, but Ainge will want to keep his options open for next year. His main target would be Millsap. There is always the possibility the Kings suddenly decide to trade Cousins. That could alter the picture.

[tazzmaniac]

I think the star Ainge is after is Millsap. The cap space numbers I just published from Eric Pincus in a thread indicates the best FA fit most likely to be available is Millsap. He fits the Celtics needs perfectly, and Horford's presence should be a strong pull.

If Danny makes a trade this season, it will most likely be for a Boguts or secondary rebounder.
He will want to keep cap space open for a max player like Millsap.

Porter doesn't look like a max player to me. Noel is a possibility, but Ainge will want to keep his options open for next year. His main target would be Millsap. There is always the possibility the Kings suddenly decide to trade Cousins. That could alter the picture.

I sure hope not.  We don't need to be paying the Max to two players over 30. 

[Bobshot]

I think the star Ainge is after is Millsap. The cap space numbers I just published from Eric Pincus in a thread indicates the best FA fit most likely to be available is Millsap. He fits the Celtics needs perfectly, and Horford's presence should be a strong pull.

If Danny makes a trade this season, it will most likely be for a Boguts or secondary rebounder.
He will want to keep cap space open for a max player like Millsap.

Porter doesn't look like a max player to me. Noel is a possibility, but Ainge will want to keep his options open for next year. His main target would be Millsap. There is always the possibility the Kings suddenly decide to trade Cousins. That could alter the picture.

I sure hope not.  We don't need to be paying the Max to two players over 30.

Good point. He's a year older than Horford. He'll be 32. Horford 31. But he's a great fit and pretty durable. Maybe they can get him on shorter years. I can't see them landing Griffin.

[slamtheking]

I think the star Ainge is after is Millsap. The cap space numbers I just published from Eric Pincus in a thread indicates the best FA fit most likely to be available is Millsap. He fits the Celtics needs perfectly, and Horford's presence should be a strong pull.

If Danny makes a trade this season, it will most likely be for a Boguts or secondary rebounder.
He will want to keep cap space open for a max player like Millsap.

Porter doesn't look like a max player to me. Noel is a possibility, but Ainge will want to keep his options open for next year. His main target would be Millsap. There is always the possibility the Kings suddenly decide to trade Cousins. That could alter the picture.

I sure hope not.  We don't need to be paying the Max to two players over 30.

Good point. He's a year older than Horford. He'll be 32. Horford 31. But he's a great fit and pretty durable. Maybe they can get him on shorter years. I can't see them landing Griffin.

shorter years at less than max would be awesome but I'm not sure Millsap follows Horford here.  he'd be a significant upgrade on everyone else we have in the front court besides Horford.