Ainge Built a Flawed team

[nickagneta]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

[nickagneta]

Ainge built a flawed team but what he did is get pieces that fit great together and got the team to the point of having enough cap space to add a superstar or have the assets to trade for a superstar without having to blow up the core of this team. This team is still a work in progress that may take anywhere from 3 months to 2-3 years away from being complete

Also, Noel is not a great rebounder. His rebounding percentage is only 14.7%. Thats very average to slightly below average for a near 7 footer. For comparison Deandre Jordan's rebounding % is 23.1%

The question is when the can will quit being kicked down the road, in the flawed name of protecting "assets" that to date this season have been quite mediocre on the floor.

I feel ya Coach but I believe that if there was a trade for a star, Ainge would have made it. In the meantime he has a team that competes and wins and is just a move or two away from contending. Trades that transform franchises are just not common in the NBA. Be patient.

[kraidstar]

We're not contending this year, with or without better rebounding. We need to put together an elite 5-man unit. We need stars to do that.

If we're not spending our chips on studs - either in the draft or via trade - then we're wasting our time. We already have plenty of supplementary players.

[Tr1boy]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

[kraidstar]

Ainge built a flawed team but what he did is get pieces that fit great together and got the team to the point of having enough cap space to add a superstar or have the assets to trade for a superstar without having to blow up the core of this team. This team is still a work in progress that may take anywhere from 3 months to 2-3 years away from being complete

Also, Noel is not a great rebounder. His rebounding percentage is only 14.7%. Thats very average to slightly below average for a near 7 footer. For comparison Deandre Jordan's rebounding % is 23.1%

The question is when the can will quit being kicked down the road, in the flawed name of protecting "assets" that to date this season have been quite mediocre on the floor.

Do you know of some stars who are available who would make us a contender?

[nickagneta]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

Common sense. GMs build teams, coaches coach them.

Do you really believe Stevens wanted David Lee, Gerald Green, or Jordan Crawford on his teams. All players Ainge brought in.

Also, Ainge is reported to be interested in Cousins and Stevens is not. Zach Lowe reported that. If Cousins gets traded here, Stevens will have to deal with it, the same way he did with Lee, Crawford, Green,

[mctyson]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

Common sense. GMs build teams, coaches coach them.

Do you really believe Stevens wanted David Lee, Gerald Green, or Jordan Crawford on his teams. All players Ainge brought in.

Also, Ainge is reported to be interested in Cousins and Stevens is not. Zach Lowe reported that. If Cousins gets traded here, Stevens will have to deal with it, the same way he did with Lee, Crawford, Green,

How about both of you are right and both of you are wrong, because both of them have input on the team, and Wyc ultimately builds it.

[PhoSita]

There really aren't many non flawed teams out there.

[GratefulCs]

Ainge built a flawed team but what he did is get pieces that fit great together and got the team to the point of having enough cap space to add a superstar or have the assets to trade for a superstar without having to blow up the core of this team. This team is still a work in progress that may take anywhere from 3 months to 2-3 years away from being complete

Also, Noel is not a great rebounder. His rebounding percentage is only 14.7%. Thats very average to slightly below average for a near 7 footer. For comparison Deandre Jordan's rebounding % is 23.1%

The question is when the can will quit being kicked down the road, in the flawed name of protecting "assets" that to date this season have been quite mediocre on the floor.

Do you know of some stars who are available who would make us a contender?

that's the thing

It seems like teams are less likely tot trade their stars these days. And rightfully so.

We're fine as long as the management stay patient. Doesn't matter if the fans are patient or not

[mctyson]

This whole thread makes no sense.  Almost every team in the NBA is "flawed" in some way.

The Celtics for a very long time have de-prioritized rebounding, going back to the Doc/KG days, when they weren't very good at the boards.  That team did just fine.

[liam]

This team is not a finished product. Even if we are only waiting to grow our own players. I don't think anyone thought that this was a championship year. I think there are franchise players in this years draft and next years. We still have growing to do but I think that this team is still treading up. I think we are even trending up this year and next year and next.

[nickagneta]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

Common sense. GMs build teams, coaches coach them.

Do you really believe Stevens wanted David Lee, Gerald Green, or Jordan Crawford on his teams. All players Ainge brought in.

Also, Ainge is reported to be interested in Cousins and Stevens is not. Zach Lowe reported that. If Cousins gets traded here, Stevens will have to deal with it, the same way he did with Lee, Crawford, Green,

How about both of you are right and both of you are wrong, because both of them have input on the team, and Wyc ultimately builds it.

I said Stevens had input, but he did not build this team.

[GRADYCOLNON]

a flawed team after blowing up the team 3 offseasons ago is not bad.  Reel in expectations Celtic brethren.  We need one more star to fit with Horford and Thomas.

[walker834]

This team is not flawed. I think the league is more flawed.  What we more lack is that personality of older celtics teams.   IT and Horford are good but they weren't raised here from day one. This is what it is though.  It doesn't have that feeling of Pierce, KG and Ray or Bird, Mchale, Parish, or Russell, Cousy and Havlicek.  Even the 70's celtics lacked some of that but had Havlicek and a lot of guys held ove rand went and got Cowens and Heinsohn and his running style.

People just have to get more behind IT and  Big Al.  If you look around the league there aren't many players worth pursuing.

Look at my big men list. Most of those guys are either young plaeyrs or aren't bill russell. Or Paul Pierce.  Some of them are pretty close though. Talentwise there are guys on that level. They just are the big names.

We had to buiild those teams regardless. We had our guys and got stars to go with them is the difference.

[spikelovetheCelts]

This team is not a finished product. Even if we are only waiting to grow our own players. I don't think anyone thought that this was a championship year. I think there are franchise players in this years draft and next years. We still have growing to do but I think that this team is still treading up. I think we are even trending up this year and next year and next.

I think if we can win a series this year it will be a success and hopefully go 6 in the next. If we can get a rebounding big for some lose change like young Zeller Amir JJ and our three second round picks next year that would be nice. This draft is loaded so we have much hope.