Ainge Built a Flawed team

[Surferdad]

The Celtics are 25th in defensive rebound % at 74.4%
Cleveland is 26th at 74.3%
G.S. is 27th at 74.2%
Indiana is 28th at 74.2%
N.Y. is 29th at 73.8%
Toronto is 30th at 73.4%

Are all those teams flawed also?  The 2 biggest title favorites plus number 2 in the east are rebounding at slightly lower rates defensively than Boston.  The NBA game is a game of give and take, you do not just add rebounding as it will most certainly cost you in other areas.

Noel is not much of an improvement in the rebounding department and he would likely be a big drag on the offense in the half court.  Not to mention that his 11 million cap hold would be extremely restrictive next summer.

Interesting stats.  Agree with all the comments that the team is not built yet.  Let's keep in mind that the plan was for Durant to be here with Horford.  Those stats tell me that big rebounding numbers are not necessary if you have most everything else.

[Eja117]

By the end of the month we should be the clear #2 team in the East, or 3rd at absolute worst. A team that has no real problem imposing their will on the majority of teams, especially at home.

This team is soft and the coach doesn't hold them accountable. I don't think they want it.  I feel confident last year's team would have no real problem crushing them.

[tazzmaniac]

By the end of the month we should be the clear #2 team in the East, or 3rd at absolute worst. A team that has no real problem imposing their will on the majority of teams, especially at home.

This team is soft and the coach doesn't hold them accountable. I don't think they want it.  I feel confident last year's team would have no real problem crushing them.

Last year's team lost in the 1st round of the playoffs to Atlanta who then got blown out by Cleveland in the semis.  Our problem isn't a lack of drive, a lack of toughness or a lack of rebounding.  Addressing any of those issues may win us a few more regular season games but it isn't going to make us a contender.  Our problem continues to be the lack of star talent.  Until that gets addressed, we're just treading water. 

[Jon]

I think the notion that Ainge tried to "build" anything is flawed. I think he has been trying to and is continuing to acquire assets while staying competitive. But I think the former outweighs the latter in his mind. So I don't think he's going to bring a rebounder in at the cost of losing net value in the team. Rather, he'll continue to trot out an unbalanced (but competitive) team until he finds the right player to balance this team.

And while I am intrigued by someone like Nerlens Noel like many on this board are, let's not pretend that his acquisition is going to vault us into contention for an NBA title.

[walker834]

Nerlens and Hayward might.

IT
Bradley
Hayward
Nerlens
Horford

With the bench we have now.  Nerlens is at least mobile which I like.  I'd give up picks if it means getting rights to these players if we aren't giving up the players we have.

If it means they are signing extensions with us.  I wouldn't give up picks for 1 year rentals.

[Tr1boy]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

[Tr1boy]

on another note it would have been interesting how CBS would of integrated/re jigged his system if the Celts were able to obtain Deandre Jordan

[billysan]

Just my 2 cents but I  think the players are ok, they just dont fit the system.

None of our bigs has or plays  a solid post game IMO.

They rarely dunk. Settling for soft layups that are often blocked or missed.

They spend a lot of time on the perimeter, leaving a SG to lead the team in rebounding.

[Rosco917]

We gave up 17 offensive rebounds, few teams can win consistently giving up this many second chances.

No, Horford isn't a dominating rebounder, but he does provide many other things we need, additional scoring, good passing, rim protection, he's by far our best big.

If Amir is going to give basically nothing in his minutes of play, lets start Jerebko, at least we get an additional shooter. Amir is not of starter quality at this point in his career, if he ever was. He plays in spurts, he's a bench piece at best.

I'd like to see more out of Crowder, he doesn't really help on the boards, he doesn't bring the ball into the paint anymore, he shoots 3 pointers at a fair clip. He's undersized, not considered long, and he's also not really athletic. He's an ok piece. Brown isn't quite ready yet, but he will develop into what we need at the 3.

If this team had a SF that could be considered an improvement over Crowder in all facets of the game, and a legitimate 4/5 that had ability to rebound, score at a 12-14 point clip, and defend, we would be a team headed in the right direction.

Danny, get off your hands... crap or get off the pot.
 

[walker834]

Horford is a good enough rebounder.  He isn't the issue overly.   He's good enough too where we can put different players with him.  I think the celtics like his versatility. That's why he's here.  He can range out and spread the floor and is a guy who can go inside and rebound.

His rebounds are generally lower because of where he plays. If he were to stand inside all game he'd get a ton of rebounds.  We just don't want to do that we are tryiing to maximize him.

[walker834]

We won last night because Horford started going inside later in the game and flexing ihs muscle on defense.  Horford is very good and a perfect fit.

We are low in effciency for the same reasons.  You have to look at how we are using these guys. 

If Horford was inside all game he'd grab 10-15 boards and his efficiency would be higher as well.

[nickagneta]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

[nickagneta]

Ainge built a flawed team but what he did is get pieces that fit great together and got the team to the point of having enough cap space to add a superstar or have the assets to trade for a superstar without having to blow up the core of this team. This team is still a work in progress that may take anywhere from 3 months to 2-3 years away from being complete

Also, Noel is not a great rebounder. His rebounding percentage is only 14.7%. Thats very average to slightly below average for a near 7 footer. For comparison Deandre Jordan's rebounding % is 23.1%

[Tr1boy]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say/influence as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

[CoachBo]

Ainge built a flawed team but what he did is get pieces that fit great together and got the team to the point of having enough cap space to add a superstar or have the assets to trade for a superstar without having to blow up the core of this team. This team is still a work in progress that may take anywhere from 3 months to 2-3 years away from being complete

Also, Noel is not a great rebounder. His rebounding percentage is only 14.7%. Thats very average to slightly below average for a near 7 footer. For comparison Deandre Jordan's rebounding % is 23.1%

The question is when the can will quit being kicked down the road, in the flawed name of protecting "assets" that to date this season have been quite mediocre on the floor.