The new CBA may significantly impact how the Celtics build from here

[KG Living Legend]

If you haven't come across it already, Jay King has a superb piece on Masslive on how the new CBA rules impact the Celtics' plans to build a contender.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/12/star-chasing_now_more_difficul.html

The big change is the introduction of the "designated player exception" (DPE). As I understand it, if a player makes an all-NBA team or is Defensive Player of the Year in the previous year or two of the past three years, or if he is MVP in any of the past three seasons, he can be considered for the DPE, which gives that player's team the ability to pay him more per year, and for more years, if he sticks with his current team.

Essentially, it gives superstar players less incentive to move on in free agency to a team like the Celtics.

Some key excerpts from the piece:

The new rule has the potential to impact free agents, like Blake Griffin, as well as theoretical trade targets like DeMarcus Cousins or Paul George. The Sacramento Kings could still decide they would rather move on, but now have the option to offer Cousins a longer, pricier extension this summer -- which could give them a better chance of keeping the center beyond his current contract. Same goes for the Indiana Pacers, who would have a much better chance to keep George if they can drastically overpay him compared to outside suitors. If he makes the All-NBA team this year, they will be able to offer him a lot more money over more years than anyone else.

Basically, the new CBA will make contract extensions far more attractive. Certain players who don't qualify as "designated players" will also be able to receive extensions earlier in the life of a contract, and will be able to sign longer extensions. That could keep players away from free agency, which is not good for a team like the Celtics that would prefer all sorts of movement, especially among the stars.

This means, according to the article's logic, that the C's will be perversely rooting for players like Paul George and Gordon Hayward TO NOT make the All-NBA teams:

This sounds counterintuitive because the Celtics would surely love to sign Griffin or Gordon Hayward this summer as free agents, or trade for someone like George. They should presumably want their targets playing great basketball, but with the new designated player exception that would come at a cost. Cousins is already eligible for the exception, but, according to Bontemps, any of the other aforementioned players will only become eligible this summer if 1) they make the all-NBA team this season, 2) they have made the all-NBA team in two of the last three years, 3) they have won the MVP at least once over the last three seasons, or 4) they have won Defensive Player of the Year in either the most recent season or two of the last three seasons.

Griffin, Hayward and George aren't going to win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year, but could all have strong cases for an all-NBA nod this season. The Celtics need that not to happen. Just read the Indy Star's estimate on how much George would make through the exception if he stays with the Pacers, versus how much he could make if he opts to leave them. The difference is huge -- and enough, perhaps, to convince a player of that caliber to pass up the chance to join a better team elsewhere. Similarly, Griffin might want to explore life away from the Clippers, but would have a tough time turning down so much money.

This by no means curtains for the Celtics' path to contendership, but I do think it moves the needle -- slightly at least -- towards being patient and building through their own home-grown superstars. The good news is that we have a good shot at developing our own stud, given the fact that we'll probably have three shots at it in the draft lottery in 2016 (Jaylen Brown), 2017, and 2018. We may just have to invest in what we have led by IT, Horford and the gang and hope that some young players emerge out of our stock of youth.

Curious to hear what others think.

 Tp Ed. Great stuff. Kind of Odd, but destiny will bring the players that were supposed to be here, here.

[fantankerous]

If you haven't come across it already, Jay King has a superb piece on Masslive on how the new CBA rules impact the Celtics' plans to build a contender.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/12/star-chasing_now_more_difficul.html

The big change is the introduction of the "designated player exception" (DPE). As I understand it, if a player makes an all-NBA team or is Defensive Player of the Year in the previous year or two of the past three years, or if he is MVP in any of the past three seasons, he can be considered for the DPE, which gives that player's team the ability to pay him more per year, and for more years, if he sticks with his current team.

Essentially, it gives superstar players less incentive to move on in free agency to a team like the Celtics.

Some key excerpts from the piece:

The new rule has the potential to impact free agents, like Blake Griffin, as well as theoretical trade targets like DeMarcus Cousins or Paul George. The Sacramento Kings could still decide they would rather move on, but now have the option to offer Cousins a longer, pricier extension this summer -- which could give them a better chance of keeping the center beyond his current contract. Same goes for the Indiana Pacers, who would have a much better chance to keep George if they can drastically overpay him compared to outside suitors. If he makes the All-NBA team this year, they will be able to offer him a lot more money over more years than anyone else.

Basically, the new CBA will make contract extensions far more attractive. Certain players who don't qualify as "designated players" will also be able to receive extensions earlier in the life of a contract, and will be able to sign longer extensions. That could keep players away from free agency, which is not good for a team like the Celtics that would prefer all sorts of movement, especially among the stars.

This means, according to the article's logic, that the C's will be perversely rooting for players like Paul George and Gordon Hayward TO NOT make the All-NBA teams:

This sounds counterintuitive because the Celtics would surely love to sign Griffin or Gordon Hayward this summer as free agents, or trade for someone like George. They should presumably want their targets playing great basketball, but with the new designated player exception that would come at a cost. Cousins is already eligible for the exception, but, according to Bontemps, any of the other aforementioned players will only become eligible this summer if 1) they make the all-NBA team this season, 2) they have made the all-NBA team in two of the last three years, 3) they have won the MVP at least once over the last three seasons, or 4) they have won Defensive Player of the Year in either the most recent season or two of the last three seasons.

Griffin, Hayward and George aren't going to win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year, but could all have strong cases for an all-NBA nod this season. The Celtics need that not to happen. Just read the Indy Star's estimate on how much George would make through the exception if he stays with the Pacers, versus how much he could make if he opts to leave them. The difference is huge -- and enough, perhaps, to convince a player of that caliber to pass up the chance to join a better team elsewhere. Similarly, Griffin might want to explore life away from the Clippers, but would have a tough time turning down so much money.

This by no means curtains for the Celtics' path to contendership, but I do think it moves the needle -- slightly at least -- towards being patient and building through their own home-grown superstars. The good news is that we have a good shot at developing our own stud, given the fact that we'll probably have three shots at it in the draft lottery in 2016 (Jaylen Brown), 2017, and 2018. We may just have to invest in what we have led by IT, Horford and the gang and hope that some young players emerge out of our stock of youth.

Curious to hear what others think.

 Tp Ed. Great stuff. Kind of Odd, but destiny will bring the players that were supposed to be here, here.

It's not kind of odd at all.  Destiny is either tautology or religous bs.

How the team performs will be the most important factor in determining what direction to go.  Currently, we aren't playing well enough to convince top talent to (re-)sign here.  This will force us to build through the draft.  If that changes, so do our paths to contending.

[mr. dee]

I'm curious if that DPE is applicable for our guys like Horford, IT and AB.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Other than ego, please explain the difference in lifestyle or pass down to future generations, the difference between 230M before taxes and 200M before taxes.....maybe logic and where you want to be could override the financial implications

I look at it like you do. If you really like the team and city you're playing for, stay. But in a vacuum, what's an extra $20M or $30M when you're already getting a huge sum like $200M?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

If you haven't come across it already, Jay King has a superb piece on Masslive on how the new CBA rules impact the Celtics' plans to build a contender.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/12/star-chasing_now_more_difficul.html

The big change is the introduction of the "designated player exception" (DPE). As I understand it, if a player makes an all-NBA team or is Defensive Player of the Year in the previous year or two of the past three years, or if he is MVP in any of the past three seasons, he can be considered for the DPE, which gives that player's team the ability to pay him more per year, and for more years, if he sticks with his current team.

Essentially, it gives superstar players less incentive to move on in free agency to a team like the Celtics.

Some key excerpts from the piece:

The new rule has the potential to impact free agents, like Blake Griffin, as well as theoretical trade targets like DeMarcus Cousins or Paul George. The Sacramento Kings could still decide they would rather move on, but now have the option to offer Cousins a longer, pricier extension this summer -- which could give them a better chance of keeping the center beyond his current contract. Same goes for the Indiana Pacers, who would have a much better chance to keep George if they can drastically overpay him compared to outside suitors. If he makes the All-NBA team this year, they will be able to offer him a lot more money over more years than anyone else.

Basically, the new CBA will make contract extensions far more attractive. Certain players who don't qualify as "designated players" will also be able to receive extensions earlier in the life of a contract, and will be able to sign longer extensions. That could keep players away from free agency, which is not good for a team like the Celtics that would prefer all sorts of movement, especially among the stars.

This means, according to the article's logic, that the C's will be perversely rooting for players like Paul George and Gordon Hayward TO NOT make the All-NBA teams:

This sounds counterintuitive because the Celtics would surely love to sign Griffin or Gordon Hayward this summer as free agents, or trade for someone like George. They should presumably want their targets playing great basketball, but with the new designated player exception that would come at a cost. Cousins is already eligible for the exception, but, according to Bontemps, any of the other aforementioned players will only become eligible this summer if 1) they make the all-NBA team this season, 2) they have made the all-NBA team in two of the last three years, 3) they have won the MVP at least once over the last three seasons, or 4) they have won Defensive Player of the Year in either the most recent season or two of the last three seasons.

Griffin, Hayward and George aren't going to win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year, but could all have strong cases for an all-NBA nod this season. The Celtics need that not to happen. Just read the Indy Star's estimate on how much George would make through the exception if he stays with the Pacers, versus how much he could make if he opts to leave them. The difference is huge -- and enough, perhaps, to convince a player of that caliber to pass up the chance to join a better team elsewhere. Similarly, Griffin might want to explore life away from the Clippers, but would have a tough time turning down so much money.

This by no means curtains for the Celtics' path to contendership, but I do think it moves the needle -- slightly at least -- towards being patient and building through their own home-grown superstars. The good news is that we have a good shot at developing our own stud, given the fact that we'll probably have three shots at it in the draft lottery in 2016 (Jaylen Brown), 2017, and 2018. We may just have to invest in what we have led by IT, Horford and the gang and hope that some young players emerge out of our stock of youth.

Curious to hear what others think.

 Tp Ed. Great stuff. Kind of Odd, but destiny will bring the players that were supposed to be here, here.

This sounds like something from the TV show LOST. Hopefully the Celtics story ends better than that did.

[A Future of Stevens]

If you haven't come across it already, Jay King has a superb piece on Masslive on how the new CBA rules impact the Celtics' plans to build a contender.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/12/star-chasing_now_more_difficul.html

The big change is the introduction of the "designated player exception" (DPE). As I understand it, if a player makes an all-NBA team or is Defensive Player of the Year in the previous year or two of the past three years, or if he is MVP in any of the past three seasons, he can be considered for the DPE, which gives that player's team the ability to pay him more per year, and for more years, if he sticks with his current team.

Essentially, it gives superstar players less incentive to move on in free agency to a team like the Celtics.

Some key excerpts from the piece:

The new rule has the potential to impact free agents, like Blake Griffin, as well as theoretical trade targets like DeMarcus Cousins or Paul George. The Sacramento Kings could still decide they would rather move on, but now have the option to offer Cousins a longer, pricier extension this summer -- which could give them a better chance of keeping the center beyond his current contract. Same goes for the Indiana Pacers, who would have a much better chance to keep George if they can drastically overpay him compared to outside suitors. If he makes the All-NBA team this year, they will be able to offer him a lot more money over more years than anyone else.

Basically, the new CBA will make contract extensions far more attractive. Certain players who don't qualify as "designated players" will also be able to receive extensions earlier in the life of a contract, and will be able to sign longer extensions. That could keep players away from free agency, which is not good for a team like the Celtics that would prefer all sorts of movement, especially among the stars.

This means, according to the article's logic, that the C's will be perversely rooting for players like Paul George and Gordon Hayward TO NOT make the All-NBA teams:

This sounds counterintuitive because the Celtics would surely love to sign Griffin or Gordon Hayward this summer as free agents, or trade for someone like George. They should presumably want their targets playing great basketball, but with the new designated player exception that would come at a cost. Cousins is already eligible for the exception, but, according to Bontemps, any of the other aforementioned players will only become eligible this summer if 1) they make the all-NBA team this season, 2) they have made the all-NBA team in two of the last three years, 3) they have won the MVP at least once over the last three seasons, or 4) they have won Defensive Player of the Year in either the most recent season or two of the last three seasons.

Griffin, Hayward and George aren't going to win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year, but could all have strong cases for an all-NBA nod this season. The Celtics need that not to happen. Just read the Indy Star's estimate on how much George would make through the exception if he stays with the Pacers, versus how much he could make if he opts to leave them. The difference is huge -- and enough, perhaps, to convince a player of that caliber to pass up the chance to join a better team elsewhere. Similarly, Griffin might want to explore life away from the Clippers, but would have a tough time turning down so much money.

This by no means curtains for the Celtics' path to contendership, but I do think it moves the needle -- slightly at least -- towards being patient and building through their own home-grown superstars. The good news is that we have a good shot at developing our own stud, given the fact that we'll probably have three shots at it in the draft lottery in 2016 (Jaylen Brown), 2017, and 2018. We may just have to invest in what we have led by IT, Horford and the gang and hope that some young players emerge out of our stock of youth.

Curious to hear what others think.

 Tp Ed. Great stuff. Kind of Odd, but destiny will bring the players that were supposed to be here, here.

This sounds like something from the TV show LOST. Hopefully the Celtics story ends better than that did.

How can you bring something that is already here? Its like theres 2 islands.

[greece66]

It's a good thing for the league and the fans. Teams should have some kind of financial leverage to hold onto their star players. Otherwise we will keep seeing these super teams formed.

+1

It's great for teams with really great players they drafted.

Not so great for teams that have positioned themselves to try to trade for or sign one of those players.

This is a really important point. Teams will be affected differently depending on what stage they are (tanking, rebuilding, playoff contender, championship contender).

Second, I do not feel comfortably with the idea of giving the ppl who decide all-nba teams and DPOY the power to affect rosters and salaries.

I can see this easily becoming an extremely contentious issue with fanbases after a couple of controversial decisions.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

If you haven't come across it already, Jay King has a superb piece on Masslive on how the new CBA rules impact the Celtics' plans to build a contender.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/12/star-chasing_now_more_difficul.html

The big change is the introduction of the "designated player exception" (DPE). As I understand it, if a player makes an all-NBA team or is Defensive Player of the Year in the previous year or two of the past three years, or if he is MVP in any of the past three seasons, he can be considered for the DPE, which gives that player's team the ability to pay him more per year, and for more years, if he sticks with his current team.

Essentially, it gives superstar players less incentive to move on in free agency to a team like the Celtics.

Some key excerpts from the piece:

The new rule has the potential to impact free agents, like Blake Griffin, as well as theoretical trade targets like DeMarcus Cousins or Paul George. The Sacramento Kings could still decide they would rather move on, but now have the option to offer Cousins a longer, pricier extension this summer -- which could give them a better chance of keeping the center beyond his current contract. Same goes for the Indiana Pacers, who would have a much better chance to keep George if they can drastically overpay him compared to outside suitors. If he makes the All-NBA team this year, they will be able to offer him a lot more money over more years than anyone else.

Basically, the new CBA will make contract extensions far more attractive. Certain players who don't qualify as "designated players" will also be able to receive extensions earlier in the life of a contract, and will be able to sign longer extensions. That could keep players away from free agency, which is not good for a team like the Celtics that would prefer all sorts of movement, especially among the stars.

This means, according to the article's logic, that the C's will be perversely rooting for players like Paul George and Gordon Hayward TO NOT make the All-NBA teams:

This sounds counterintuitive because the Celtics would surely love to sign Griffin or Gordon Hayward this summer as free agents, or trade for someone like George. They should presumably want their targets playing great basketball, but with the new designated player exception that would come at a cost. Cousins is already eligible for the exception, but, according to Bontemps, any of the other aforementioned players will only become eligible this summer if 1) they make the all-NBA team this season, 2) they have made the all-NBA team in two of the last three years, 3) they have won the MVP at least once over the last three seasons, or 4) they have won Defensive Player of the Year in either the most recent season or two of the last three seasons.

Griffin, Hayward and George aren't going to win MVP or Defensive Player of the Year, but could all have strong cases for an all-NBA nod this season. The Celtics need that not to happen. Just read the Indy Star's estimate on how much George would make through the exception if he stays with the Pacers, versus how much he could make if he opts to leave them. The difference is huge -- and enough, perhaps, to convince a player of that caliber to pass up the chance to join a better team elsewhere. Similarly, Griffin might want to explore life away from the Clippers, but would have a tough time turning down so much money.

This by no means curtains for the Celtics' path to contendership, but I do think it moves the needle -- slightly at least -- towards being patient and building through their own home-grown superstars. The good news is that we have a good shot at developing our own stud, given the fact that we'll probably have three shots at it in the draft lottery in 2016 (Jaylen Brown), 2017, and 2018. We may just have to invest in what we have led by IT, Horford and the gang and hope that some young players emerge out of our stock of youth.

Curious to hear what others think.

 Tp Ed. Great stuff. Kind of Odd, but destiny will bring the players that were supposed to be here, here.

This sounds like something from the TV show LOST. Hopefully the Celtics story ends better than that did.

How can you bring something that is already here? Its like theres 2 islands.

Whoa. Mind blown. 

[tazzmaniac]

It's a good thing for the league and the fans. Teams should have some kind of financial leverage to hold onto their star players. Otherwise we will keep seeing these super teams formed.

+1

It's great for teams with really great players they drafted.

Not so great for teams that have positioned themselves to try to trade for or sign one of those players.

This is a really important point. Teams will be affected differently depending on what stage they are (tanking, rebuilding, playoff contender, championship contender).

Second, I do not feel comfortably with the idea of giving the ppl who decide all-nba teams and DPOY the power to affect rosters and salaries.

I can see this easily becoming an extremely contentious issue with fanbases after a couple of controversial decisions.

They already have it.  Davis lost 20M+ because he didn't make an All-NBA team or get voted as an All-Star game starter last season.