Outside of Horford

[walker834]

Our big guys are toast.  Honestly Sully and KO were giving us more than anything Amir and Zeller have.  This is one thing I've never seen eye to eye on with ainge are these in between moves. I get it's to keep things fluid but couldn't we have done that with Sully isntead of signing  Amir and Zeller to those contracts?  He did this with TA and Posey too.  Baby and Bass.  People will argue Bass was better because he was more efficient but as far as a bench guy he really wasn't.  We weren't the same team without those guys.  Even with Perk and Shaq. I get the Green trade was to make things again fluid as we transitioned but they did not make us a better team.

This is going to be a problem all year too I feel unless we play Crowder and Brown a lot more at the 4.  The issue is we don't have a 3 man then.  Brown may not be ready to log 30 mpg either.

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Horford is also relegated to playing like a guard at times.  He needs to be inside more than he is the way we are right now.  I get we are trying to establish a system but we don't have the parts for it right now particularly at the 4 and even at the 3 we lack a more consistant scoring threat.

I don't give up on guys too often but I'm about to throw in the towel on KO, Zeller and Amir. We dont' even utilize Amir properly.   He's toast and doesn't get up and down the floor. These guys are not the right big men for this team.

Everyone else is really fine to me.  We have YAbusele who can provide some muscle and energy coming to replace a guy like Sully.   Even Zizic. We have Brown and Crowder.  But Ainge needs to get us a better scoring wing and more athletic mobile big men somehow.  Yab is still primarily a 3 pt shooter who can range out and provide hustle inside. 

KO, Zeller and Amir need to play harder but I  haven't seen one bit of evidence saying they will.

Crowder also hasn't been playing the same defense he was last year and has been relegated to launching ill advised 3's.

[walker834]

I get where Ainge was coming from at the time.  TA and Posey were up for contract and wanted more money.   TA Ainge has said he regrets.   Glenn Davis wanted to start and was better served as a roleplayer and energy guy.  Perk had injury concerns and was trending down.  Sully would have been somewhat redundant at the 4 with Horford and even less mobile.  He also had injury concerns and was trending down.  Ainge felt he could go with Amir, Zeller and KO.  It's really fine but these are our needs imo.  Our guards are fine.   Bradley and Smart are fine as defensive wings who can score on occasion.  Brown is coming.  Crowder is better served as a defensive guy imo in a james posey role imo.   We didn't need Turner with Smart and Rozier here ready to handle the ball more.

Yab is a guy who can provide energy and is going to be a good fit as a hustle guy inside and as a 3 pt specialist at the 4.  Zizic should also be better than Zeller.

We still need more athleticism and scoring at the 3 and 4 particularly whether that's with a star or not.

Zeller and KO are supposed to provide us with length and versatility but KO is still way too passive and just a spot up shooter and Zeller has been terrible.  Amir is not as mobile as he once was and we don't even utilize him inside.  I'd figure these guys can do better than they are but they aren't so far.

Every game so far is the same. We can beat the Orlando's of the world but these other teams we are not turning them into wins.  It doesn't matter whether it's IT or Smart at pg.

We've had a lot of injuries and are a plus 500 team and probably better than that and a second round playoff team but in order to get to the next level these things need to be addressed.  This is what we need.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.   

[Big333223]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.

I agree that bringing back Sully would've been a bad move but this is not fair to him at all. He was an excellent mid range shooter for his position, a smart passer, and was able to defend centers despite his height. His problem was work ethic and health. You couldn't trust him. And yes, he never developed the 3 pointer we hoped he would but he did a lot more than just rebound.

[hwangjini_1]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.

And al Jefferson was chopped liver? 

[cltc5]

Ainge sucks at talent assessment post rondo

[SHAQATTACK]

Ainge sucks at talent assessment post rondo

Guards he does ok drafting.

BiGs he really is getting some BAD AdVice from somewhere .  And then when he does see a good BIG he ignores him .....for soft guys . 

[walker834]

I love how people completely miss the point of the post.  I did say all this that her traded perk because he was trending down.  Same with getting rid of sully etc.  Posey etc...  It still doesn't change the fact we have no big men outside of horford or a small forward who can shoot.

 Yes we have a lot of guards and signed Horford where we can go small and heck even play Horford like a guard.

[walker834]

It's not even a knock on Ainge really.  It's the way the league is trending but we still need to solve these things.

We're supposed to have a good mix and defensive wings who are athletic and bigs who can range out but it's not working that great so far.

I don't even disagree with the philosophy minus we need better big men and a better sf who can shoot.

[walker834]

Fab Melo, Jajuan Johnson where are they now.  It's tough drafting late on big guys like that. We actually could have drafted Whiteside and Giannis.  Easy to say that after the fact.  I just hope we get these things.  We made a run at durant and failed.  Kevin Love.   We can add these guys this offseason or through trade.  Noel is out there.  Hayward.  Guys like Tatum, Giles, Isaac etc.  Boogie is out there but doesn't seem likely.

[wdleehi]

I think all the Celtics big men have a specific role they could fill on the team.



I think the bigger issue is they don't have the big that could fill in certain roles that they currently need.   (rebounding.  Being strong against large low post threats)

[CelticGuardian]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.

And al Jefferson was chopped liver? 

Okay, one guy is all Danny has to hang his hat on? What is Al Jefferson doing for the C's right now?

[wdleehi]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.

And al Jefferson was chopped liver? 

Okay, one guy is all Danny has to hang his hat on? What is Al Jefferson doing for the C's right now?

He was part of the trade that brought KG that brought a title. 

[CelticGuardian]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.

And al Jefferson was chopped liver? 

Okay, one guy is all Danny has to hang his hat on? What is Al Jefferson doing for the C's right now?

He was part of the trade that brought KG that brought a title.

What is Al Jefferson doing for the C's right now? We're talking drafting and our current big situation lil bro, the Al Jefferson selection has been done a good 12 years now.

[wdleehi]

Sully would have been a better choice at PF.  But I get Ainge is keeping things fluid.  Hopefully he can now bring real athletic big men to replace KO and Zelller and Amir because none of them are it.

Yeah, he is really helping Toronto, this year.   What a bonehead move to let a guy go who has not played for his new team.  Exactly, how would that help us?  Do you magically think that his foot would not have go hurt here?  That is funny say "hi" to Santa for me, will you?

I agree we need to ditch Amir and our bigs are a problem area.   I think Ainge ought to bring in McHale to teach or help us draft a decent big.   Ainge, himself seems incapable of drafting a starter level big.   To me that includes Sully, who could not shoot a lick, was a one trick pony with rebounds and thought he was all world.  KO is too soft.

I still think Horford was a good signing, he is a better upgrade in every category save rebounding over Sully.  I do not share your enthusiasm over Yab.   Zizic, I would like to see.

And al Jefferson was chopped liver? 

Okay, one guy is all Danny has to hang his hat on? What is Al Jefferson doing for the C's right now?

He was part of the trade that brought KG that brought a title.

What is Al Jefferson doing for the C's right now? We're talking drafting and our current big situation lil bro, the Al Jefferson selection has been done a good 12 years now.

KG was traded in a package to the Nets giving the Celtics a plethora of draft picks, including a very promising looking rookie named Brown.