Had we had worst luck on injuries in the league for a playoff team?

[celticsclay]

I was thinking about how our top 6 players (KO, Smart, AB, AH, IT and Crowder) every one except for Bradley has missed multiple games already. Has any other halfway decent team had luck this bad? I was thinking about this and it seems like no.

Cavs: Lebron, Irving, Love and TT all near perfect health, only injury Jr Smith
Clippers: Paul, Blake, Reddick, Deandre, Crawford, Rivers, all near perfect health.
Warriors: Big 4 and Iggy all near perfect health
Bulls: Rondo, Butler, Wade, Gibson, Lopez, Mirotic all near perfect health
Raptors: Valuncunias, Lowry, Derozen, Carroll all near perfect health (sully out but projected as a deeper bench guy)
Rockets: Harden, Gordon, Anderson, Ariza, Capela all near perfect health (Beverly missed some time)
Knicks: Carmelo, Porzingas, Rose, Noah, Jennings all near perfect health
Hornets: Walker, Batum, MCG, Zeller, Kaminsky etc all near perfect health
Pacers: Turner, Young, Teague, Ellis near perfect, PG missed 7 games.
Spurs: Aldridge, Leonard, Gasol all near perfect, Parker (34 years old) and Danny Green missed 8 games)
Thunder: Westbrook, Kanter, Adams, Oladipo, Roberson, Sabonis perfect health

For record keeping Horford missed 10, Crowder missed 7, KO 6, Smart and IT 3 (with IT probably missing more).

For the record I was trying to focus on the playoff contenders because I feel like some of the rebuilding teams (for example the 76ers) are not rushing people back (Noel, Simmons) or being overly cautious with sitting players (Okafor, Embiid) because their won loss record is not something they really care about.
I also would admit that the Mavs for example have had worse injury luck than us but they are also having really old players getting hurt (Dirk, Deron Williams, Bogut, Harris) that are not very surprising to see struggle with injuries (plus they were not supposed to be a serious playoff threat either way).

Edit: I could see a bit of an argument made for the Grizzlies but I don't think anyone can really be surprised that a 35 year old Randolph, 34 year old Tony Allen or knee made of spagetti Parsons are not ready to go every night. I will admit they got a bad injury break with Conley who is younger and usually durable.

[Moranis]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

[celticsclay]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

Well Diaw is 8th on team in minutes played and averages 5 points and 2 rebounds  (not to mention he is 34) so even our weakest player I am discussing here kind of crushes that. I wouldn't include it as a significant loss if we were to have someone like Brown miss some time. That being said I would actually agree with you that they have had worse injury luck than us given their players are all young and durable once you omit Diaw. Perhaps we are the second unluckiest of serious playoff teams.

[droopdog7]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

[Denis998]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

[celticsclay]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

It is kind of hard to tell what this means without any context. Also what does the size of the circle mean here? It looks ours is the second biggest. It also looks like they are having Toronto with a lot of injuries but Toronto has had Ross, Patterson, Lowry, Derozen, Joseph and Valununcias with near perfect health and Carrol has missed 5. So whatever metric has them with missing a low of guys to injuries is pretty flawed.

So barring new information we are probably the second unluckiest team in injuries so far of playoff contenders.

[Denis998]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

It is kind of hard to tell what this means without any context. Also what does the size of the circle mean here? It looks ours is the second biggest. It also looks like they are having Toronto with a lot of injuries but Toronto has had Ross, Patterson, Lowry, Derozen, Joseph and Valununcias with near perfect health and Carrol has missed 5. So whatever metric has them with missing a low of guys to injuries is pretty flawed.

So barring new information we are probably the second unluckiest team in injuries so far of playoff contenders.

They might be factoring in Sullys injury into Toronto, maybe his overall absence equates to them having more injuries than us. Maybe the bigger circle means which team was impacted more by the injuries, such as having a bigger circle means that a all star caliber player missed an extended period of time.

[tazzmaniac]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

It is kind of hard to tell what this means without any context. Also what does the size of the circle mean here? It looks ours is the second biggest. It also looks like they are having Toronto with a lot of injuries but Toronto has had Ross, Patterson, Lowry, Derozen, Joseph and Valununcias with near perfect health and Carrol has missed 5. So whatever metric has them with missing a low of guys to injuries is pretty flawed.

So barring new information we are probably the second unluckiest team in injuries so far of playoff contenders.

I'd guess that the circle size indicates lost VORP since they state Utah has the highest lost VORP.

[fairweatherfan]

Memphis seems to win this every regular season, though last year's late winners had to be the Clippers losing Griffin and Paul during the 1st round.

[celticsclay]

Memphis seems to win this every regular season, though last year's late winners had to be the Clippers losing Griffin and Paul during the 1st round.

Well at this point we can't really say Memphis is having bad luck when they have guys in their mid to late 30's missing time (outside Conley). I think Zbo turns 35 this year and believe Tony Allen is 34. when we were rolling out KG and Pierce in our final year here I was going to say we were screwed when they got banged up. I also agree that losing your stars in the playoffs is the unluckiest of all.

[Moranis]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

Well Diaw is 8th on team in minutes played and averages 5 points and 2 rebounds  (not to mention he is 34) so even our weakest player I am discussing here kind of crushes that. I wouldn't include it as a significant loss if we were to have someone like Brown miss some time. That being said I would actually agree with you that they have had worse injury luck than us given their players are all young and durable once you omit Diaw. Perhaps we are the second unluckiest of serious playoff teams.

Utah lost 4 starters including 2 for well over half the season.  It isn't all that close really.  Utah has lost far more games to injury than Boston.  And for the record, I said Diaw was deeper in the rotation but he did start 13 games while Favors was out so he isn't just some bit role player either.

[Moranis]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

It is kind of hard to tell what this means without any context. Also what does the size of the circle mean here? It looks ours is the second biggest. It also looks like they are having Toronto with a lot of injuries but Toronto has had Ross, Patterson, Lowry, Derozen, Joseph and Valununcias with near perfect health and Carrol has missed 5. So whatever metric has them with missing a low of guys to injuries is pretty flawed.

So barring new information we are probably the second unluckiest team in injuries so far of playoff contenders.

They might be factoring in Sullys injury into Toronto, maybe his overall absence equates to them having more injuries than us. Maybe the bigger circle means which team was impacted more by the injuries, such as having a bigger circle means that a all star caliber player missed an extended period of time.

the circles are VORP.  The chart goes from least to most man games missed from left to right.  Miami has missed the most man games followed closely by Memphis, Utah, and Philly.  Those teams have all had at least one player miss almost the entire year (or the entire year).  Toronto is so high because of Sullinger for the same reason. 

The circle size is a bit better indicator because it is VORP so it weights the man games lost for a better comparison.  Utah has missed 4 starters for significant time (and a fill in starter as well).  That is why they have the largest circle.  Boston is 2nd in VORP because of all the lost games to starters as well, but overall Boston hasn't lost that many games (the ones lost were just to more critical players than other teams). 

[celticsclay]

https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/nba-2016-2017-season/nba-2016-2017-season-games-missed/

Jazz have lost the most man games by VORP.  Jazz have played 25 games.  Hood missed 4, Hayward 7, Diaw 9, and Hill and Favors 14 each.  Diaw is a bit deeper in the rotation but the other 4 are starters.

For those that can't view the rest, where do the Celts stand?

It is kind of hard to tell what this means without any context. Also what does the size of the circle mean here? It looks ours is the second biggest. It also looks like they are having Toronto with a lot of injuries but Toronto has had Ross, Patterson, Lowry, Derozen, Joseph and Valununcias with near perfect health and Carrol has missed 5. So whatever metric has them with missing a low of guys to injuries is pretty flawed.

So barring new information we are probably the second unluckiest team in injuries so far of playoff contenders.

They might be factoring in Sullys injury into Toronto, maybe his overall absence equates to them having more injuries than us. Maybe the bigger circle means which team was impacted more by the injuries, such as having a bigger circle means that a all star caliber player missed an extended period of time.

the circles are VORP.  The chart goes from least to most man games missed from left to right.  Miami has missed the most man games followed closely by Memphis, Utah, and Philly.  Those teams have all had at least one player miss almost the entire year (or the entire year).  Toronto is so high because of Sullinger for the same reason. 

The circle size is a bit better indicator because it is VORP so it weights the man games lost for a better comparison.  Utah has missed 4 starters for significant time (and a fill in starter as well).  That is why they have the largest circle.  Boston is 2nd in VORP because of all the lost games to starters as well, but overall Boston hasn't lost that many games (the ones lost were just to more critical players than other teams).

Yeah so this kind of proves what I was talking about in this post with the exception that I forgot about Memphis. There is also reason to believe that this will not be the case all year as our players are generally a lot younger with less serious injury histories than a team like Memphis or Dallas. That being said I am fearful Smart and Crowder's play style leads them to get banged up more than the average young player.