Anyone not yet willing to concede Jaylen was a great pick?

[kraidstar]

far outplayed Ingram?  I don't get that one.  Ingram is a better passer and rebounder thus far this year.  Brown is shooting at a higher percentage (except at the line).

Ingram is butter-soft on defense. Just really poor. He has some offensive skills, but the glaring hole at the other end of the court limits his ability to help his team win.

[walker834]

This was on may 6 well before the draft

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84320.msg2081438#msg2081438

I was never that high on simmons and went into detail on why because I didn't think we needed a player that ball dominant.  Bender I really liked but had issues with hiim because we had KO plus there wasn't as much info on him.  This is basically exactly what we did though and Ainge made the right pick in Brown and got Horford instead of Whiteside.  I also had us trading down and trying to get love and still picking brown well before the draft.   

We drafted Brown.  Went after Durant and added Horford and Green.  Good job danny.  Also was all over the Zizic and Yab picks in theory as well as what we needed with those picks.  I wanted us to draft a more offensive version of jerebko and a center to develop to give competition to zeller to ultimately replace him.

It's all there in other posts as well where i b asically said all of this in one way or another.

I'm too nice sometimes and listen to people. People were beating me up on Brown and my comments are funny that way is all.  "I couldbe wrong but whatever."

Dealt with that stuff for years on Smart too and Bradley when I had them rated as the guys we should take.  Rozier was a fine pick as well.

I had a wish Danny did a great job finding the right guys.

[walker834]

DA has tough decisions but got an A from me.  He drafted Jaylen.  Had a decision to make on turner and Sully and Zeller.  Resigned Zeller. Drafted Zizic.  DraftedYab as a better potential bench option than sully down the road.  Same with Nader.  Got Jackson.  Signed Horford.  Made a run at Durant.  Signed Green.

We missed one more guy but other than that everything he did was great.

Instead of going after Simmons to replace turner he put the ball more in the hands of Smart and Rozier and Jaylen. 

Logistically speaking as  a celtics fan who likes guys who share the ball a bit more it  makes sense.

Ainge pushes it and tries to get those top guys as well but easier said than done.  We will eventually. If not we just keep building like we are.

Simmons was not going to put us over the top as it stands.  He's too young. If we had the first  pick we may have done that but jaylen was our guy.

The year Bradley was drafted. Paul George was slipping and I saw it but easier said than done sometimes.  We still made the right pick where we were.  Ainge tries to make moves but that's not always possible.  Sometimes he misses.  But from a logistic standpoint of what we are trying to do it all fits.

I agree in ways that that one extra guy eludes Ainge but he is doing the right things moreso than most.

jaylen was a great pick.  Because I don't even see him in the class of guys like Bird or Durant.  He's reggie lewis. He's not even that yet but he's par for the course. I don't see any reason why he won't be averaging 20 and 6 and a few assists and good defensive numbers in a couple years and be a good team player. He might not even be on Pierce's level but 20-25 ppg and 6 or 7 boards.  I don't think he is the ball handler or shooter  pierce was.  Pierce was a sg early in his career.  But still a good one and more athletic.  better defender potentially and more athletic with his scoring.

If we are going to win a championship it's going to be with guys like this or getting that bird type guy some other way anyways.   It's going to be putting that guy on a team that is championship caliber.  Not drafting jordan and then waiting  years for the rest of the team to get to that level.

A lot of people try to win the lottery but the chances of that are slim. Most people end up poor doing that.  Even in the nba teams end up in the lottery year after year end up losiing that player they drafted once he gets good and his rookie deal expires because the team sucks and he can get paid more and be on a better team elsewhere.  We can improve our chances but building in the meantime is the way to go.  We  more want to be that team that gets that guy because we are great. Whether its through the draft or whatever.  Yet people think I'm the drunk one.

[walker834]

jaylen is awesome anyways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnUnZMIQSk

He's awesome because of how we do things we end up with players lke this that actually know how to play within a system. It's one thing to have one guy who never stops.  It's another to have an entire team where they play seamlessly together.  We still have work to do in that regard but looking good.

Right now we are seeing that from him his ability to play within the team and his physical talent.  As he develops he'll get better because he also has the work ethic for it.   jimmy butler is another guy built like him who has developed that way.

jb, smart and bradley all have that in common.  Unselfish team oriented players with physical talent, intelligence and work ethic that fits into the celtics style of play and what we are trying to do.  All overlooked that way as well.  Rozier same thing.   Same with Yab, Zizic and jackson.  They have an organization that is willing to work with them to reach their potential too.  Bradley is doing that now.  Jaylen has more potential than any of them.

Sully was a big time college player who fell because of injury and reached his ceiling here much sooner.  Same with Evan Turner and Jeff Green for that matter. Overlooked too where we tried to get them right and some paid off more than others.  Not everyone is Lebron or james worthy for that matter. 

[Smitty77]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Jaylen is only averaging 14.6 minutes per game!!!!

Embiid = 23.5 minutes (and plays every other freaking game)
Saric = 24.6 minutes
Brogdon = 21.1 (thanks to Middleton's injury)
Murray = 22.30 minutes
Ingram = 26.9
Siakam = 18.9 minutes per game and has started all 24 games (due to Sully being out)
Harrison = 27.60 minutes (partly due to Conley's injuries)
Delaney = 16.6 minutes
Sabonis = 21.6 (and has started ALL 24 games)
McGruder = 25.40 per

Smitty77

[moiso]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

[Moranis]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

In basically the same minutes, Chriss is scoring more, rebounding more, shooting better from 2 and the line, generating more steals, and blocking more shots.  Brown is a better 3 point shooter, passer, and is committing less fouls and turnovers. 

[TrueFan]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

In basically the same minutes, Chriss is scoring more, rebounding more, shooting better from 2 and the line, generating more steals, and blocking more shots.  Brown is a better 3 point shooter, passer, and is committing less fouls and turnovers.

Chriss is getting a lot more opportunities on that team.

Brown just started to get some traction in our offense. Chriss also gets to play through a blunder or two. Brown has 2-3 guys coming in as soon as he makes a rookie mistake.

[tankcity!]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

In basically the same minutes, Chriss is scoring more, rebounding more, shooting better from 2 and the line, generating more steals, and blocking more shots.  Brown is a better 3 point shooter, passer, and is committing less fouls and turnovers.

So FG% doesn't matter? Basically scoring more? Dude, he's taking more shots a game at a garbage FG%. And he's a big. I get that you like to be a negative nancy, but at least make some sense.

[tankcity!]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

In basically the same minutes, Chriss is scoring more, rebounding more, shooting better from 2 and the line, generating more steals, and blocking more shots.  Brown is a better 3 point shooter, passer, and is committing less fouls and turnovers.

Chriss is getting a lot more opportunities on that team.

Brown just started to get some traction in our offense. Chriss also gets to play through a blunder or two. Brown has 2-3 guys coming in as soon as he makes a rookie mistake.

I would look at their stats. He's misleading you. It's insane. I mean Chriss is averaging three boards a game, he's freaking 6'10 for godsakes. Brown is right there in every category and is more efficient.

He's just harder on Celtics players than he is on the outside.

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He reminds me a lot of Ricky Davis.

[tankcity!]

He reminds me a lot of Ricky Davis.

How? You are dead to me after that statement. TP

[aingeforthree]

I actually didn't expect him to start this solidly. Clearly he is benefiting from the spacing in the NBA. Certainly didn't expect his %'s to be so high so early.

There is so much Danny bashing around here (and after the pick was made I remember some sky-is-falling-in and  "sack Danny" threads). Just want to see how many people are willing to admit either a) they were wrong, and Jaylen is a great pick, or
b) that they stand by their comments that Jaylen sucks and Danny should be fired.

I was wrong. I wanted Dunn or a trade.

Obviously I'm an idiot. Brown has got the complete package. Everything. I didn't know his first step was that darn nasty. I don't see a lot of 3 or 4's staying with this kid, and he just turned **** 20 !

Like EVERY prospect, you still have to put in the work, but man. This kid has a shot at being special. It will have to take a Cousins coming back in return if Ainge sends this kid packing. I don't see it though. I think Bradley or Crowder go before this prospect. The raw talent this kid had at 19 is just to promising.

[Moranis]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

In basically the same minutes, Chriss is scoring more, rebounding more, shooting better from 2 and the line, generating more steals, and blocking more shots.  Brown is a better 3 point shooter, passer, and is committing less fouls and turnovers.

So FG% doesn't matter? Basically scoring more? Dude, he's taking more shots a game at a garbage FG%. And he's a big. I get that you like to be a negative nancy, but at least make some sense.

Chriss has a higher FG% from 2 and the line.  Brown has a higher FG% from 3.  I said that.  Apparently you missed it.

[tankcity!]

Among this years drafted rookies, Brown is 11th in ppg, 16th in rpg, 15th in apg, and 12th in mpg.  Even his 3PT shooting which has been a surprise he is 10th in.

There are things to be excited about for sure, but he has thus far been outplayed by Murray and Chriss who were both considered in that same 3-8 basically interchangeable player range entering the draft. 

Maybe Brown becomes the best player in the draft.  Maybe Brown becomes a terrible pick based on his draft position.  24 games in on a guy playing less than 15 mpg, is way too early to make any sort of statement on what Brown becomes which means it is away to early to call him a great pick.

Brown has outplayed Chriss and it's not very close.  Do you still think it's summer league?

In basically the same minutes, Chriss is scoring more, rebounding more, shooting better from 2 and the line, generating more steals, and blocking more shots.  Brown is a better 3 point shooter, passer, and is committing less fouls and turnovers.

So FG% doesn't matter? Basically scoring more? Dude, he's taking more shots a game at a garbage FG%. And he's a big. I get that you like to be a negative nancy, but at least make some sense.

Chriss has a higher FG% from 2 and the line.  Brown has a higher FG% from 3.  I said that.  Apparently you missed it.

Who cares? He's not shooting well. He's not efficient. And he's only averaging like a few decimal more in a couple of the stats you pointed out, but then you said the minute difference is immaterial. I mean I just find your comments funny.