$26 million man

[Eja117]

Has there been a more DISAPPOINTING free agent signing that Al Horford?  He has single-handedly cost us two games this year and has missed 10 games.

Tonight, he gets blocked and has a turnover within about 20 seconds to turn this game.  He was 0-3 in the fourth quarter!!

I am beyond frustrated.

He is NOT an Alpha male!!!

Smitty77

Definitely not an alpha male and we probably shouldn't have expected that. The problem is he hasn't been a beta male either.

Someone needs to tell him he's a big and not a shooting guard

[Moranis]

Has there been a more DISAPPOINTING free agent signing that Al Horford?  He has single-handedly cost us two games this year and has missed 10 games.

Tonight, he gets blocked and has a turnover within about 20 seconds to turn this game.  He was 0-3 in the fourth quarter!!

I am beyond frustrated.

He is NOT an Alpha male!!!

Smitty77

Definitely not an alpha male and we probably shouldn't have expected that. The problem is he hasn't been a beta male either.

Someone needs to tell him he's a big and not a shooting guard

Horford is the same player in Boston that he was in Atlanta.  It seems this is a thread where people had unrealistic expectations.

[Evantime34]

I can't believe anyone thinks Horford has been a disappointment. This team performs so much better when he is on the court. He creates so many points with his passing, screens and ability to space the floor.

He might not score a ton, but it's obvious how much better we are with him on the court. We are 9.6 points per 100 possession when he's on the court than off. We are better on both offense and defense when he is on the court.

People need to get their head out of the box score and not only focus on the ball when they watch games.

[gift]

Horford has actually been better than I expected. The team has been worse, but not due to Horford.

[kozlodoev]

Horfort will be great in a Kevin-Love-at-Cleveland type of role. Otherwise, prepare to be repeatedly underwhelmed. It's an expectations thing, but it comes with the price tag I guess.

[Eja117]

Has there been a more DISAPPOINTING free agent signing that Al Horford?  He has single-handedly cost us two games this year and has missed 10 games.

Tonight, he gets blocked and has a turnover within about 20 seconds to turn this game.  He was 0-3 in the fourth quarter!!

I am beyond frustrated.

He is NOT an Alpha male!!!

Smitty77

Definitely not an alpha male and we probably shouldn't have expected that. The problem is he hasn't been a beta male either.

Someone needs to tell him he's a big and not a shooting guard

Horford is the same player in Boston that he was in Atlanta.  It seems this is a thread where people had unrealistic expectations.

If the expectation was that we'd be better inside was unrealistic then I confess I had unrealistic expectations. 

[Ed Hollison]

He's been excellent for most of his career, excellent for the Celtics thus far, and excellent in end-of-game situations.

And that's why the Celtics have an excellent record and an excellent position in the standings. Let's keep that up. 

What is the Celtics' record when Horford and IT both play? Are you still disappointed?

[Moranis]

Has there been a more DISAPPOINTING free agent signing that Al Horford?  He has single-handedly cost us two games this year and has missed 10 games.

Tonight, he gets blocked and has a turnover within about 20 seconds to turn this game.  He was 0-3 in the fourth quarter!!

I am beyond frustrated.

He is NOT an Alpha male!!!

Smitty77

Definitely not an alpha male and we probably shouldn't have expected that. The problem is he hasn't been a beta male either.

Someone needs to tell him he's a big and not a shooting guard

Horford is the same player in Boston that he was in Atlanta.  It seems this is a thread where people had unrealistic expectations.

If the expectation was that we'd be better inside was unrealistic then I confess I had unrealistic expectations.

I think you did.  There were countless threads on here about how Horford, that said while he was a very good player, he wasn't going to do much for the W/L of the team because his strengths were already strengths on the team and his weaknesses were still weaknesses on the team i.e. Horford has never been a great scorer or rebounder.  Those were the two areas that Boston really needed help on from last year.  A lot of people just disregarded that because Horford was a real legit all star and thus must be an improvement on what Boston was. 

[Eja117]

Has there been a more DISAPPOINTING free agent signing that Al Horford?  He has single-handedly cost us two games this year and has missed 10 games.

Tonight, he gets blocked and has a turnover within about 20 seconds to turn this game.  He was 0-3 in the fourth quarter!!

I am beyond frustrated.

He is NOT an Alpha male!!!

Smitty77

Definitely not an alpha male and we probably shouldn't have expected that. The problem is he hasn't been a beta male either.

Someone needs to tell him he's a big and not a shooting guard

Horford is the same player in Boston that he was in Atlanta.  It seems this is a thread where people had unrealistic expectations.

If the expectation was that we'd be better inside was unrealistic then I confess I had unrealistic expectations.

I think you did.  There were countless threads on here about how Horford, that said while he was a very good player, he wasn't going to do much for the W/L of the team because his strengths were already strengths on the team and his weaknesses were still weaknesses on the team i.e. Horford has never been a great scorer or rebounder.  Those were the two areas that Boston really needed help on from last year.  A lot of people just disregarded that because Horford was a real legit all star and thus must be an improvement on what Boston was.

Yeah. I didn't expect to get a younger version of Sheed or an older version of KO. It's pretty disappointing.

[PhoSita]

Has there been a more DISAPPOINTING free agent signing that Al Horford?  He has single-handedly cost us two games this year and has missed 10 games.

Tonight, he gets blocked and has a turnover within about 20 seconds to turn this game.  He was 0-3 in the fourth quarter!!

I am beyond frustrated.

He is NOT an Alpha male!!!

Smitty77

Definitely not an alpha male and we probably shouldn't have expected that. The problem is he hasn't been a beta male either.

Someone needs to tell him he's a big and not a shooting guard

Horford is the same player in Boston that he was in Atlanta.  It seems this is a thread where people had unrealistic expectations.

If the expectation was that we'd be better inside was unrealistic then I confess I had unrealistic expectations.

I think you did.  There were countless threads on here about how Horford, that said while he was a very good player, he wasn't going to do much for the W/L of the team because his strengths were already strengths on the team and his weaknesses were still weaknesses on the team i.e. Horford has never been a great scorer or rebounder.  Those were the two areas that Boston really needed help on from last year.  A lot of people just disregarded that because Horford was a real legit all star and thus must be an improvement on what Boston was.

I'd say Horford has definitely improved the starting lineup, the problem is that the bench is heavily reliant on young guys with very little experience playing together.

Couple that with the injuries and you have a team that was bound to underachieve a bit compared to where they were by the end of last season.


As for historical comps (re: eja's Sheed / older KO comment), Horford's season appears most closely comparable to late 00's Josh Smith or mid-00's Andrei Kirilenko.

[tankcity!]

Horfort will be great in a Kevin-Love-at-Cleveland type of role. Otherwise, prepare to be repeatedly underwhelmed. It's an expectations thing, but it comes with the price tag I guess.

You should check my sig out . I agree Horford is perfect for Klove role though.

[GRADYCOLNON]

Don't get me wrong, I love Horford

But he isn't worth what we are paying him. This type of money should be reserved for alpha and beta players not super role players.  I'd have been more comfortable with 22M a year.  Just not a full 25% of cap player

[Evantime34]

Don't get me wrong, I love Horford

But he isn't worth what we are paying him. This type of money should be reserved for alpha and beta players not super role players.  I'd have been more comfortable with 22M a year.  Just not a full 25% of cap player

He wouldn't be playing hear for $22 MM a year. If we passed on him to wait for a better player we would have been waiting a long time, considering he was the first major free agent to sign here.

Think of his contract not just in terms of dollars but in terms of acquisition cost. We signed him without giving up an asset where if we were to acquire a real alpha guy like you mentioned we would probably need to trade for him.

So it's not Horford at $26 vs a superstar at $ 26, but Horford at $26 or a superstar at $26 MM plus two nets picks Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart. In other words, we should be willing to pay Horford more money because it didn't cost assets to sign him.

[Moranis]

Don't get me wrong, I love Horford

But he isn't worth what we are paying him. This type of money should be reserved for alpha and beta players not super role players.  I'd have been more comfortable with 22M a year.  Just not a full 25% of cap player

He wouldn't be playing hear for $22 MM a year. If we passed on him to wait for a better player we would have been waiting a long time, considering he was the first major free agent to sign here.

Think of his contract not just in terms of dollars but in terms of acquisition cost. We signed him without giving up an asset where if we were to acquire a real alpha guy like you mentioned we would probably need to trade for him.

So it's not Horford at $26 vs a superstar at $ 26, but Horford at $26 or a superstar at $26 MM plus two nets picks Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart. In other words, we should be willing to pay Horford more money because it didn't cost assets to sign him.

That is just silly.  If Horford wasn't on the team now and Sullinger was brought back, how much better would Boston's record be really (let's assume Sully's freak foot injury doesn't happen, but it is Sully so he probably misses some games).  I mean 13-11 seems fairly reasonable with Sully.  So why should Boston overpay for someone that hasn't really altered the record all that much and doesn't make Boston a contender?  What if two max guys want to come here next summer, but Boston can only afford one because it overpaid for a guy who shouldn't have a max contract?  Also, by signing Horford, Boston is stuck with him.  I mean it can't trade him now or another free agent would never sign in Boston, so Boston now has to make moves that fit more in line with Horford's timeline.  Those moves might cause Boston to miss out on moves or players that might have formed the basis for a future championship team. 

Boston wasn't in a position to overpay for free agents last summer.  It just didn't make sense given the current makeup, financial and draft pick situation of the team last summer. 

[kozlodoev]

Horfort will be great in a Kevin-Love-at-Cleveland type of role. Otherwise, prepare to be repeatedly underwhelmed. It's an expectations thing, but it comes with the price tag I guess.

You should check my sig out . I agree Horford is perfect for Klove role though.

Yeah, I've seen your sig -- it's a good reminder that one can go from looking very smart to looking very stupid in a very short amount of time