What could we get for IT4

[TrueFan]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

[Who]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

Gobert = in a heartbeat. Before Utah have a chance to change their minds.

Favors = not sure. Definitely worth thinking about.

[celticsclay]

I'm sorry you don't see the point in this thread and feel like you have to shoot it down. Now that you did can you move to another thread please.

What I'm trying to do is push you to justify your premise.

Are we conducting an audit, here?  Evaluating our assets just for the sake of having an accounting of the team's total trade value?

Or is there an IT-specific point here?

If there is, what is it? Why do you want to have this conversation about his trade value if not to suggest the potential benefit to the team in trading him?

Isn't it on topic, then, to point out that I find it very difficult to envision how it would be beneficial for the team to trade him right now?


Go and pose the question to a bunch of Blazers' fans: "What's Damian Lillard's trade value?"  I imagine you'd get a none-too-friendly reception. 

Because while you could start up that discussion, in theory, and the Blazers could trade him, in theory, it's hard to imagine that being a genuine topic of interest for the Blazers or their fans.  The convo would be a non-starter, because Dame is the heart of that team and any package of assets for him would fail to replace what they'd lose by trading him: a focal point, an identity, a player worth watching on a nightly basis. 

While IT isn't on the same level as Dame -- probably not, anyway -- I don't think the situation with the Celts is that different.

really pho, this was not necessary. the OP specifically told folks what his intended point was. you wrote a post that directly went counter to that point, even though he had asked people to not post exactly what you posted.

you sidetracked a thread. not a sin against nature, but carrying on in this way is unseemly.

let's focus on the point of the thread and move ahead.

I disagree. I think pho was completely in line and reasonable and his response was very well written. I give him a tommy point

[wayupnorth]

What could we get if we trade IT4?

- Substantially reduced odds to do anything of note in the playoffs.

- A significantly less entertaining team to watch.

- Bad karma

- More young players we don't have time or patience to develop fully.

- More picks that will fall in the 5-20 range to be used on high floor prospects we'll just resent for not being the higher upside / higher bust potential freaks taken later in the draft by other teams.

Bad karma? We rescued IT from Phoenix, took him to the playoffs twice, gave him a starting gig that got him an All-Star selection and basically turned the entire team over to him this year. I think we've done right by him.

I also don't find IT all that entertaining.

This opinion baffles me.

[coffee425]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

There is a strong argument to be made that George Hill is a better player and better fit for the Jazz than Isaiah Thomas.

See FG%, 3pt%, PER.

If Utah is trading Favors, it'll be an all-star big; not for a logjam at the pg position

[TrueFan]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

There is a strong argument to be made that George Hill is a better player and better fit for the Jazz than Isaiah Thomas.

See FG%, 3pt%, PER.

If Utah is trading Favors, it'll be an all-star big; not for a logjam at the pg position

Wow I didn't realize Hill was averaging 20 a game for Utah. How is that happening?

So maybe you are right. The trade doesn't work for the Jazz.

[Chris22]

Noel from Philly?

[Who]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

There is a strong argument to be made that George Hill is a better player and better fit for the Jazz than Isaiah Thomas.

See FG%, 3pt%, PER.

If Utah is trading Favors, it'll be an all-star big; not for a logjam at the pg position

Wow I didn't realize Hill was averaging 20 a game for Utah. How is that happening?

So maybe you are right. The trade doesn't work for the Jazz.

I don't think George Hill can keep up those numbers.

Hill is shooting 53.4% from the field (45% career), 45.6% 3PT% (38% career) and has a TS% of 66.7% (56.5% for his career).

Hill has only played 11 games. He has been injured for the rest of the time. 

[PhoSita]

What could we get if we trade IT4?

- Substantially reduced odds to do anything of note in the playoffs.

- A significantly less entertaining team to watch.

- Bad karma

- More young players we don't have time or patience to develop fully.

- More picks that will fall in the 5-20 range to be used on high floor prospects we'll just resent for not being the higher upside / higher bust potential freaks taken later in the draft by other teams.

Bad karma? We rescued IT from Phoenix, took him to the playoffs twice, gave him a starting gig that got him an All-Star selection and basically turned the entire team over to him this year. I think we've done right by him.

I also don't find IT all that entertaining.

This opinion baffles me.

Same.

[PhoSita]

I think IT could be part of a ackage for John Wall.

Washington would probably want the Celts to take back one or more of their awful contracts from this past summer (Mahinmi, Smith, Nicholson) and give up both BRK picks, in addition to IT.

Even then, with two years remaining on Wall's deal after this one, I'm not sure Washington will be interested in talking about trading him for a while yet.

How much better are the Celts with Wall instead of IT?  I'm not sure.

Would it be worth it if you have to give up cap space to sign another max FA and both BRK picks to make the upgrade?

Sorry that is insane.

To be clear, I wasn't saying we should do that.

[PhoSita]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

The Celts with Gobert but no primary offensive creator is not better than the Celts with a primary offensive creator and no Gobert.

So nah, I wouldn't trade him for Gobert.

Same for Favors -- I like Favors, but he seems to be fairly injury prone and looks to have more or less plateaued as a good-but-not-great player.

[TrueFan]

Noel from Philly?

IT4 would get to follow in AI's foot steps in Philly but I would want more back then just Noel.

However Noel and Smart would form a nice defensive combo.

[Who]

Noel from Philly?

Talent wise, it is a good trade.

Trade value wise, I think we can get Noel for less. Now or in free agency.

[TrueFan]

The Jazz get restless from still being a middling team and offer Derick Favors and a piece for IT4 or Gobert for IT4.
 
Anyone entertaining that?

There is a strong argument to be made that George Hill is a better player and better fit for the Jazz than Isaiah Thomas.

See FG%, 3pt%, PER.

If Utah is trading Favors, it'll be an all-star big; not for a logjam at the pg position

Wow I didn't realize Hill was averaging 20 a game for Utah. How is that happening?

So maybe you are right. The trade doesn't work for the Jazz.

I don't think George Hill can keep up those numbers.

Hill is shooting 53.4% from the field (45% career), 45.6% 3PT% (38% career) and has a TS% of 66.7% (56.5% for his career).

Hill has only played 11 games. He has been injured for the rest of the time.

I suppose we would have to wait til his numbers cooled down then. You would think with his hot start that he should be averaging at least 16 a game later on and maybe that still justifies them hanging onto to him.

If he gets injured like you say he might then IT4 could be the quick fix they jump at.

[Who]

Noel from Philly?

Talent wise, it is a good trade.

Trade value wise, I think we can get Noel for less. Now or in free agency.

How about Noel + Saric? Does Philly do that?

Saric would be a very good fit in Stevens offense. Give Boston a ball-handling forward who can shoot the 3 off the bench. Maybe a future starter at PF.