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Re: Doesn't "Hypothetically" Adding Millsap Make Us The New Atlanta Hawks?
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2017, 01:41:27 PM »

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Millsap is a very good basketball player.  Age is not really relevant because he's a half year rental.  He'd greatly improve our rebounding.  He's not a rim protector, but Horford is doing a good job of that.  Anyone who thinks Kris Humphries is a better basketball player obviously has really good drugs.  I don't know who this "consistent double-double player" is who you think is available, but they're few and far between.

14th in the Association in RPM.  If you can get him at a reasonable price, I think it makes us a contender.
You dont trade for Millsap unless you plan to try to extend him so age is absolutely relevant.

I disagree.  For a reasonable price like the Memphis pick, Amir, and Rozier (plus Young as salary filler), it's not the end of the world if he walks or you go a different direction, so age doesn't matter as much.  Furthermore, having Millsap on the roster for half a season helps the team make a better decision about him in free agency.  If the team is healthy with Millsap, how well do they perform in the playoffs? How much maintenance do the trainers have to do on him? If you get to the conference finals vs. Cleveland, can you convince Blake Griffin that having him instead of Millsap would put you over the edge?

Age isn't irrelevant, but trading for him does not create a requirement that he be re-signed. 

Re: Doesn't "Hypothetically" Adding Millsap Make Us The New Atlanta Hawks?
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2017, 01:46:44 PM »

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Millsap is a very good basketball player.  Age is not really relevant because he's a half year rental.  He'd greatly improve our rebounding.  He's not a rim protector, but Horford is doing a good job of that.  Anyone who thinks Kris Humphries is a better basketball player obviously has really good drugs.  I don't know who this "consistent double-double player" is who you think is available, but they're few and far between.

14th in the Association in RPM.  If you can get him at a reasonable price, I think it makes us a contender.
You dont trade for Millsap unless you plan to try to extend him so age is absolutely relevant.

I disagree.  For a reasonable price like the Memphis pick, Amir, and Rozier (plus Young as salary filler), it's not the end of the world if he walks or you go a different direction, so age doesn't matter as much.  Furthermore, having Millsap on the roster for half a season helps the team make a better decision about him in free agency.  If the team is healthy with Millsap, how well do they perform in the playoffs? How much maintenance do the trainers have to do on him? If you get to the conference finals vs. Cleveland, can you convince Blake Griffin that having him instead of Millsap would put you over the edge?

Age isn't irrelevant, but trading for him does not create a requirement that he be re-signed.
Not a requirement but resigning him would have to a plan B or at the worst C. If not I think youd end up overpaying because when you trade for a Paul Millsap part of the price is for half a season of the guy and the other part is for the inside track to resign him.

I think the price to get him will be an overpay if you dont plan on cashing in both parts of the value.

Re: Doesn't "Hypothetically" Adding Millsap Make Us The New Atlanta Hawks?
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2017, 02:09:07 PM »

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Millsap is a very good basketball player.  Age is not really relevant because he's a half year rental.  He'd greatly improve our rebounding.  He's not a rim protector, but Horford is doing a good job of that.  Anyone who thinks Kris Humphries is a better basketball player obviously has really good drugs.  I don't know who this "consistent double-double player" is who you think is available, but they're few and far between.

14th in the Association in RPM.  If you can get him at a reasonable price, I think it makes us a contender.
You dont trade for Millsap unless you plan to try to extend him so age is absolutely relevant.

I disagree.  For a reasonable price like the Memphis pick, Amir, and Rozier (plus Young as salary filler), it's not the end of the world if he walks or you go a different direction, so age doesn't matter as much.  Furthermore, having Millsap on the roster for half a season helps the team make a better decision about him in free agency.  If the team is healthy with Millsap, how well do they perform in the playoffs? How much maintenance do the trainers have to do on him? If you get to the conference finals vs. Cleveland, can you convince Blake Griffin that having him instead of Millsap would put you over the edge?

Age isn't irrelevant, but trading for him does not create a requirement that he be re-signed.
Not a requirement but resigning him would have to a plan B or at the worst C. If not I think youd end up overpaying because when you trade for a Paul Millsap part of the price is for half a season of the guy and the other part is for the inside track to resign him.

I think the price to get him will be an overpay if you dont plan on cashing in both parts of the value.

Eh, that's why most trades don't get made.  Ainge hasn't shown himself to be terribly willing to pay a lot for a guy he thinks will leave in free agency, and so I believe he'd only pay for this season of Millsap.  I think he's a good enough player to be worth our best non-Brooklyn pick and a decent but redundant prospect in Rozier.  I think he should be somewhere between Plan C and E in free agency next summer, and I don't think trading for him should change that unless he proves himself to either be a perfect or terrible fit.

But the point is, Ainge won't go above a price of having half a season left on his contract.  I don't think Atlanta intends to keep him next season, and so will be less likely to hold out as they did with Horford last summer.