Hating the Celtics style of play...

[greece66]

Firstly, this thread has a Celtics related title but really is about the NBA style of play/rules. Not sure it belongs in this part of the forum.

Secondly, I'm not sure that the fundamental premise of the thread works. Teams that are strong in the paint can still win games.

g7 of the 2016 Finals. GSW attempted 41 treys and lost. Cavs, on the other hand, scored more than half their points in the paint.



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[fantankerous]

Basketball has been improved by making big seven-foot stiffs obsolete.

Hear, hear.

[Celtics18]

The league changed the rules in 2004 to make it easier for perimeter players to score.

They went too far in that direction and lost too much the interior game.

Some say the next stage is to change the rules again in order to even things out and make it easier for interior players to score.


Ideas = make the painted area smaller again so players can post up closer to the basket and/or change the 3 seconds in the paint rule to 5 seconds to give players more time.

Sign me up, the real radical change would be to simply get rid of defensive 3 seconds. I guess Pau Gasol is known to be a much better defender in the international game where he's more free to camp out under the rim.

I'm for eliminating the defensive 3 second rule. 

[PhoSita]

The Celts shoot well, they get a lot of assists, and they don't turn the ball over very much.

They also feature a dynamo point guard who scores over 25 points per game.  Their backcourt combines for 43.8 points per game. 

I for one really enjoy watching them play, at least on the offensive end.

Defensively, they aren't quite the ball-hawking squad they were last year (though that always felt a bit unsustainable given how otherworldly it was at times), and they get their butts kicked on the boards so, so often.  That aspect of things is pretty tough to watch.

[Celtics18]

Agree with the above.  I like the way the Cs play offensively.  They move the ball well.  I wish they had more drivers than just Isaiah, though.

[PhoSita]

The league changed the rules in 2004 to make it easier for perimeter players to score.

They went too far in that direction and lost too much the interior game.

Some say the next stage is to change the rules again in order to even things out and make it easier for interior players to score.


Ideas = make the painted area smaller again so players can post up closer to the basket and/or change the 3 seconds in the paint rule to 5 seconds to give players more time.

Sign me up, the real radical change would be to simply get rid of defensive 3 seconds. I guess Pau Gasol is known to be a much better defender in the international game where he's more free to camp out under the rim.

I'm for eliminating the defensive 3 second rule.

Well, I'm of two minds about that.

On the one hand, it seems like we could eliminate the defensive 3 second rule since teams are liable to punish opponents with three pointers if they have a guy parked in the paint.

On the other hand, letting teams park a guy in the paint to protect the rim means that you'd probably see even more three pointers.


I like the idea of either extending the offensive 3 second rule to 5 or 6 seconds, or getting rid of it entirely.  You could also expand the restricted area (perhaps in conjunction with eliminating the defensive 3 second rule) to make it easier for guys to get to the hoop or draw a foul.

[PhoSita]

Agree with the above.  I like the way the Cs play offensively.  They move the ball well.  I wish they had more drivers than just Isaiah, though.

Bradley has come a long, long way in that area.  He used to be almost purely a jumpshooter, but this year he's had some really impressive drives (though he still doesn't get to the line much).

[PhoSita]

Basketball has been improved by making big seven-foot stiffs obsolete.

Are they obsolete?  Seems to me that guys like Deandre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Andre Drummond, Hassan Whiteside, Robin Lopez, Marcin Gortat, Steven Adams, Rudy Gobert, Jusuf Nurkic ... they're all pretty valuable.

You can't win just by having a bunch of seven footers beasting in the paint anymore.  That's a good thing. But skilled interior players, even without great post moves or faceup game, are very useful. 

Big guys who can set screens, clean the glass, catch lobs, and finish inside are always going to be valuable, even if their value is matchup dependent and they can be forced out of the game in crunch time.

[Celtics18]

The league changed the rules in 2004 to make it easier for perimeter players to score.

They went too far in that direction and lost too much the interior game.

Some say the next stage is to change the rules again in order to even things out and make it easier for interior players to score.


Ideas = make the painted area smaller again so players can post up closer to the basket and/or change the 3 seconds in the paint rule to 5 seconds to give players more time.

Sign me up, the real radical change would be to simply get rid of defensive 3 seconds. I guess Pau Gasol is known to be a much better defender in the international game where he's more free to camp out under the rim.

I'm for eliminating the defensive 3 second rule.

Well, I'm of two minds about that.

On the one hand, it seems like we could eliminate the defensive 3 second rule since teams are liable to punish opponents with three pointers if they have a guy parked in the paint.

On the other hand, letting teams park a guy in the paint to protect the rim means that you'd probably see even more three pointers.


I like the idea of either extending the offensive 3 second rule to 5 or 6 seconds, or getting rid of it entirely.  You could also expand the restricted area (perhaps in conjunction with eliminating the defensive 3 second rule) to make it easier for guys to get to the hoop or draw a foul.

I just kind of think the defensive three second rule is unnatural for defenders.  Pure zone defenses should be allowed.  They are a part of the game, and you have to be good at passing and shooting to break them down.

I also don't like how unevenly the rule is called. 

[Chef Parish]

Firstly, this thread has a Celtics related title but really is about the NBA style of play/rules. Not sure it belongs in this part of the forum.

Secondly, I'm not sure that the fundamental premise of the thread works. Teams that are strong in the paint can still win games.

g7 of the 2016 Finals. GSW attempted 41 treys and lost. Cavs, on the other hand, scored more than half their points in the paint.

Feels more than a Greg Kite thread than anything else. Does Greg Kite have his own forum section on SB yet?

[PhoSita]

I just kind of think the defensive three second rule is unnatural for defenders.  Pure zone defenses should be allowed.  They are a part of the game, and you have to be good at passing and shooting to break them down.

I also don't like how unevenly the rule is called.

It definitely seems right to me that the time-limit-in-the-paint rules on both ends are sort of outdated given the current state of play.  Those rules made sense back when teams could theoretically abuse being able to park multiple behemoths in the paint for the whole shot clock.  These days, I think it would be hard for teams to really get away with that except against the weakest opponents.

It might make games between lesser talented teams a lot uglier, but it could make things more interesting at the highest level of competition, which should be the primary consideration.

[Rosco917]

The small ball style of play is fine...IF you have the right players. If you have players that don't excel in your chosen style of play, you need to either change your style, or change some players.

To continue to "pray" your team develops into a clone of the Warriors is insane.

But please don't think a team with a talented big man in the post, and a clever passing true point guard at the helm can't win a championship.   

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I like the team basketball, but I would like someone who could score inside more.

The passes, swinging around the court, etc. is good basketball.

I'd like to see them make more stops. That's what frustrates me most.

[Celtics18]

Agree with the above.  I like the way the Cs play offensively.  They move the ball well.  I wish they had more drivers than just Isaiah, though.

Bradley has come a long, long way in that area.  He used to be almost purely a jumpshooter, but this year he's had some really impressive drives (though he still doesn't get to the line much).

True, he has improved a lot at putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim.  I still don't think of him as a "slasher," though.

[alldaboston]

Agree with the above.  I like the way the Cs play offensively.  They move the ball well.  I wish they had more drivers than just Isaiah, though.

Bradley has come a long, long way in that area.  He used to be almost purely a jumpshooter, but this year he's had some really impressive drives (though he still doesn't get to the line much).

He did a lot more driving to the rim when we were still injured. Now that everyone has been healthy, he's actually been pretty quiet in recent games. probably since he's not asked to play as big a role in the offense.