Author Topic: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (We Did It Guys! Fireworks!!!)  (Read 387687 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1605 on: July 04, 2017, 04:44:44 PM »

Offline Tr1boy

  • Paul Pierce
  • ***************************
  • Posts: 27260
  • Tommy Points: 867
Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:

Quote
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.

Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.

It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.

I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.

EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.
Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.


Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.

The breaking news was out ....and Hayward could have just said nothing and went with it (true to his ultimate decision)

But now that he and his agent said it was a false alarm ....   I'm not sure if the Celtics is his choice anymore



Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1606 on: July 04, 2017, 04:47:35 PM »

Offline RJ87

  • NCE
  • Ed Macauley
  • ***********
  • Posts: 11954
  • Tommy Points: 1431
  • Let's Go Celtics!
https://twitter.com/tribjazz?lang=en

Quote
Can concur. Several agents have said this to me

Quote
Fellow NBA free agents are annoyed by this Gordon Hayward mess. They've been waiting on the GH domino to fall, and now it's being drawn out.

Yeah, now the Jazz's most reliable reporter is even corroborating Kennedy's report about other agents, players, and teams getting frustrated about this whole Hayward situation.

Not surprising. This thing it becoming a debacle. Instead of "The Decision" we get "The Debacle"
2021 Houston Rockets
PG: Kyrie Irving/Patty Mills/Jalen Brunson
SG: OG Anunoby/Norman Powell/Matisse Thybulle
SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1607 on: July 04, 2017, 04:47:54 PM »

Offline PaulP34

  • Jaylen Brown
  • Posts: 702
  • Tommy Points: 39
My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...

The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1608 on: July 04, 2017, 04:48:42 PM »

Offline celticinorlando

  • Walter Brown
  • ********************************
  • Posts: 32877
  • Tommy Points: 843
  • Larry Bird for President
Boy.... This would be a nut punch to Stevens. Hayward committing...Changing his mind over and over only to stay in Utah

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1609 on: July 04, 2017, 04:49:58 PM »

Offline Ilikesports17

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8721
  • Tommy Points: 854
Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:

Quote
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.

Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.

It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.

I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.

EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.
Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.


Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.

The breaking news was out ....and Hayward could have just said nothing and went with it (true to his ultimate decision)

But now that he and his agent said it was a false alarm ....   I'm not sure if the Celtics is his choice anymore
Nah I disagree the longer he waits the more plausible he can make it seem that he really hadn't made a decision. If he had made a non-Boston decision he would have extinguished all these flames by simply informing the teams of his actual choice on his original timeline and all these Boston reports would be revealed as BS. Only reason to drag it out is if a) he's chosen Boston and needs to put on a show so he can "tell Utah first" or b) he really hasn't made a decision which I don't believe for a second.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1610 on: July 04, 2017, 04:50:08 PM »

Offline CelticsElite

  • NCE
  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10774
  • Tommy Points: 789
It wouldn't have been a Celtics free agency without a few heart attacks

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1611 on: July 04, 2017, 04:50:47 PM »

Offline PAOBoston

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8134
  • Tommy Points: 535
My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...

The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...
No offense, but if that is what changes his mind, lordy, maybe he isn't cut out for this town.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1612 on: July 04, 2017, 04:50:49 PM »

Offline Big333223

  • NCE
  • Tiny Archibald
  • *******
  • Posts: 7833
  • Tommy Points: 770
Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:

Quote
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.

Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.

It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.

I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.

EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.

This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.

There's already been reliable reports that other free agents, agents, and teams are frustrated with this stalling by the Hayward camp.

But he's had 4 days now to make this decision. I think people don't think he really has the status of a KD/Lebron type to drag it out this long. Even KD's decision came earlier than this one by about 5 hours so far on the fourth day.
What do you mean "this long"? He met with the Jazz yesterday. I don't even think it's been a full day since that meeting ended.
1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1974, 1976, 1981, 1984, 1986, 2008, 2024

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1613 on: July 04, 2017, 04:51:05 PM »

Offline manl_lui

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6571
  • Tommy Points: 427
starting to feel like the DeAndre decision :(, is the Jazz FO locking Hayward up like Doc and CP3 locking DeAndre up in a hotel? :(

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1614 on: July 04, 2017, 04:51:49 PM »

Offline Ilikesports17

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8721
  • Tommy Points: 854
My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...

The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...
If he's that mentally weak(he's not) I don't want him.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1615 on: July 04, 2017, 04:51:58 PM »

Offline danglertx

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2015
  • Tommy Points: 210
Is there any chance GH told Boston he was signing with them and Ainge asked him to keep it quite for a few hours or a day to work out the best possible trade.  Then it leaks out from GH's camp and they are trying to delay it so the C's have leverage.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1616 on: July 04, 2017, 04:52:43 PM »

Offline kraidstar

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6077
  • Tommy Points: 2569
Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:

Quote
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.

Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.

It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.

I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.

EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.
Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.


Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.

Agreed. If he's really not resigning in Utah then's he's ripping their hearts out, giving them a glimmer of hope, just to rip out their hearts again. That's brutal and unnecessary. The only way this salvages his rep is if he stays.

Now, I'm not saying that's what I think is happening. But I don't understand the thought process that walking it back and trying to save the announcement to do on his own terms is logical or a good PR move.

I think after the LeBron "Decision" fiasco - and the ugliness that followed it - free agents are very careful about how they handle these things.

It's gotta be hard breaking news to a fanbase/organization who you've gotten so close to. Nowadays you see so many guys taking out full-page ads in the local newspapers etc to say thanks. Most of them probably want to soften the blow if they can by whatever means necessary.

So I can see how this could be a really difficult situation for Hayward if he is indeed leaving Utah.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1617 on: July 04, 2017, 04:53:20 PM »

Online liam

  • NCE
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 45920
  • Tommy Points: 3340
Is that Gallinari waiting on Hayward?

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1618 on: July 04, 2017, 04:53:23 PM »

Offline RJ87

  • NCE
  • Ed Macauley
  • ***********
  • Posts: 11954
  • Tommy Points: 1431
  • Let's Go Celtics!
Is there any chance GH told Boston he was signing with them and Ainge asked him to keep it quite for a few hours or a day to work out the best possible trade.  Then it leaks out from GH's camp and they are trying to delay it so the C's have leverage.

God I hope not. If we're doing this on Ainge's trade timeline, it's never going to be official.
2021 Houston Rockets
PG: Kyrie Irving/Patty Mills/Jalen Brunson
SG: OG Anunoby/Norman Powell/Matisse Thybulle
SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1619 on: July 04, 2017, 04:53:48 PM »

Offline Tr1boy

  • Paul Pierce
  • ***************************
  • Posts: 27260
  • Tommy Points: 867
conspiracy theory

Mark Bartelstein knew GH was leaning towards signing with the Celts. Leaked out that he was going to sign....... I can't see Haynes or Amick, believing GH trainners word. Or even anyone from the Celts org unless it was one of the owners or Ainge (who don't leak these things out in the 1st place)

So goes back to Bartelstein

Once ESPN reported the news, Bartelstein calls GH and tells him to rethink with signing with the Celts.  Disrespectful to the Jazz organization.   

I could be dead wrong, but also can see something sneaky like this going on....just so that MB can get a bigger payday.  Maybe Jazz promise him, that they will sign a client or two of his in the future as well