Would you trade 2017 Nets pick for Okafor?

[KGs Knee]

I would absolutely not trade the rights to swap for Brooklyn's 2017 pick for Okafor.

He just hasn't looked anywhere near as good as he was hyped to be coming out of college. I was a huge fan of his, being a Duke fan, but have been rather unimpressed and disappointed with his development up to this point.

Whether or not such a deal was previously discussed or not carries no relevance. Even if Ainge was previously willing to make such a deal, I would wager there is no chance he would now.

But this isn't to say Philly shouldn't be asking a high price. Why trade Okafor now, if his value is at currently at its lowest? He still has two years remaining on his rookie deal, and I don't think his play is going to deteriorate.

[LarBrd33]

Should we ban bulpett reports on Celticsblog ?  Sounds like a lot of people here are suggesting he's a liar with no credibility. 

[LooseCannon]

Do the Sixers even want more picks??
I think they should try and trade for a reliable veteran.

thats why I think they turned us down when it was widely reported we offered a package built around the Brooklyn pick for okafor at the trade deadline. 

#1 - they couldn't move a star center prospect until they knew if Embiid would be healthy

#2 - it was considered a weak draft and okafor was a superior prospect to pretty much everyone in it other than Ben Simmons and maybe ingram.

#3 - for a team trying to shake the "tanking" image of Hinkie, how could the new regime possibly trade away their best player for a future draft asset and not get absolutely torched by the media?  There's no way they could do that and not look like fools.  That's exactly the kind of move that media made Hinkie into a monster for.

Hence why they turned down the offer.  It would be much easier for them to move okafor for a pick this year because the fans are in deep love with Embiid and they are selling out all their home games because of him.  Fans there just want to build around Embiid and Simmons now.

Hinkie didn't resign until April.  I think he would have traded a guy who doesn't seem likely to become a star for a potential top three pick, so either it wasn't a real trade possibility or it was vetoed by ownership.

[LooseCannon]

Should we ban bulpett reports on Celticsblog ?  Sounds like a lot of people here are suggesting he's a liar with no credibility.

I suggest not treating a report ultimately based on a single anonymous source without confirmation from a separate source as gospel.  That doesn't mean it's not true, but more strongly sourced rumors have turned out to be false.

I could easily see his source as being a Celtics source that lied to him.  I could see it being a Philly source that wouldn't be aware that Ainge may have been working on another deal.

[LarBrd33]

Do the Sixers even want more picks??
I think they should try and trade for a reliable veteran.

thats why I think they turned us down when it was widely reported we offered a package built around the Brooklyn pick for okafor at the trade deadline. 

#1 - they couldn't move a star center prospect until they knew if Embiid would be healthy

#2 - it was considered a weak draft and okafor was a superior prospect to pretty much everyone in it other than Ben Simmons and maybe ingram.

#3 - for a team trying to shake the "tanking" image of Hinkie, how could the new regime possibly trade away their best player for a future draft asset and not get absolutely torched by the media?  There's no way they could do that and not look like fools.  That's exactly the kind of move that media made Hinkie into a monster for.

Hence why they turned down the offer.  It would be much easier for them to move okafor for a pick this year because the fans are in deep love with Embiid and they are selling out all their home games because of him.  Fans there just want to build around Embiid and Simmons now.

Hinkie didn't resign until April.  I think he would have traded a guy who doesn't seem likely to become a star for a potential top three pick, so either it wasn't a real trade possibility or it was vetoed by ownership.

It's weird I have to fill people in on history that happened less than a year ago.   Colangelo was brought in three months before that trade deadline amidst tons of rabblerousers angry at Philly tanking.  I figured they would still finish out the tank and the colangelo hiring was more about appearances but many insisted their was now a new direction in Philly and it was time to rejoice about the death of their tanking ways.  It certainly shut up the rabble rousers.   Trading okafor for a future pick would have unleashed the floodgates of media hell.  You don't make a big show of "ending the tanking hiring colangelo" and then follow it up by trading the team's best healthy player 3 months later for a draft pick.  Especially when there was only 1 player in that draft that was obviously a better prospect than okafor.

[green_bballers13]

Should we ban bulpett reports on Celticsblog ?  Sounds like a lot of people here are suggesting he's a liar with no credibility.

Nope, no ban needed. We just want to hear about the other sources that reported this story that you are so passionate about.

[LooseCannon]

Do the Sixers even want more picks??
I think they should try and trade for a reliable veteran.

thats why I think they turned us down when it was widely reported we offered a package built around the Brooklyn pick for okafor at the trade deadline. 

#1 - they couldn't move a star center prospect until they knew if Embiid would be healthy

#2 - it was considered a weak draft and okafor was a superior prospect to pretty much everyone in it other than Ben Simmons and maybe ingram.

#3 - for a team trying to shake the "tanking" image of Hinkie, how could the new regime possibly trade away their best player for a future draft asset and not get absolutely torched by the media?  There's no way they could do that and not look like fools.  That's exactly the kind of move that media made Hinkie into a monster for.

Hence why they turned down the offer.  It would be much easier for them to move okafor for a pick this year because the fans are in deep love with Embiid and they are selling out all their home games because of him.  Fans there just want to build around Embiid and Simmons now.

Hinkie didn't resign until April.  I think he would have traded a guy who doesn't seem likely to become a star for a potential top three pick, so either it wasn't a real trade possibility or it was vetoed by ownership.

It's weird I have to fill people in on history that happened less than a year ago.   Colangelo was brought in three months before that trade deadline amidst tons of rabblerousers angry at Philly tanking.  I figured they would still finish out the tank and the colangelo hiring was more about appearances but many insisted their was now a new direction in Philly and it was time to rejoice about the death of their tanking ways.  It certainly shut up the rabble rousers.   Trading okafor for a future pick would have unleashed the floodgates of media hell.  You don't make a big show of "ending the tanking hiring colangelo" and then follow it up by trading the team's best healthy player 3 months later for a draft pick.  Especially when there was only 1 player in that draft that was obviously a better prospect than okafor.

Are you agreeing with me that an unfettered Hinkie would have pulled the trigger?

[celticsclay]

How is clay the emotional one in this scenario? He made the point that one person reported it, and everyone else picked it up.

Brian Scalabrine just came up with a rumor re: Klay Thompson, and the whole country picked that rumor up too. It got a ton of publicity.

I'm not here on the Celtics blog trying to convince everyone that Klay Thompson was going to get traded here. Why are you so interested in supporting the claim that Okafor was coming to Boston?

Thank you for this and TP. I also don't get why we must accept the trade rumor deadline but insist on shooting down the more recent draft day rumors. Also, even if the trade deadline was true, the Nets pick was thought to probably end up 5th or 6th at that time (obviously with a very small chance of being a top 2 pick). What is so remarkable about us offering a 5th or 6th pick for Okafor in a weak draft? Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

the interesting thing is that the Brooklyn pick was more valuable at the deadline when we offered it in a package for okafor because it still had a chance of ending up 1st. Once the pick ended up 3rd in a 2 player draft it was significantly less valuable than the pick Philly turned down in February. And while chad ford had his own speculation as to what okafor was worth on draft night, there were no concrete reports that Philly was willing to move okafor for any of the speculated picks. In fact, I've read more reports that suggested Philly was leaning towards moving Noel and wasn't actively shopping okafor on draft night - because they couldn't get rid of a star prospect center until they were supremely confidently that Embiid would play.  It's why even this week it was reported that Philly is unlikely to move okafor right now.  They still need to see what they have with Embiid.

LB sorry I got to call you out with something that is blatantly false here. At the time of the trade deadline the Nets were 16-42.

The Suns had a worse record and were 14-44
The Twolves were 18-46 slightly better than the Nets.
The Pelicans were ahead by 6 with 22 wins.
The Knicks had 24 wins.
The Kings had 24 wins.
The Nuggets had 23 wins.

We have seen the saying, including by you many times, that the Nets were a competitive team with no reason to tank. At the trade deadline how many of those teams was it thought they could pass down the stretch? At best case scenario it seemed like they would stay behind the suns and get passed by the Twolves. There was certainly a fear that the Pelicans would shut down Davis (which they later did) or the Knicks would shut down Melo and the Nets could actually creep past them. Remember there was about 25 games left in the season at this point. So in the 5th slot the pick has an 8% chance of being the top pick. If a few more teams pass them it drops to 4% and then 1.9%. Personally I would rather have my choice of all the second level prospects than having an 8% chance (or worse) of a top pick but extremely likely to be forced to pick a guy that fell to me. Why you think that is good value is a bit beyond me.

[celticsclay]

Do the Sixers even want more picks??
I think they should try and trade for a reliable veteran.

thats why I think they turned us down when it was widely reported we offered a package built around the Brooklyn pick for okafor at the trade deadline. 

#1 - they couldn't move a star center prospect until they knew if Embiid would be healthy

#2 - it was considered a weak draft and okafor was a superior prospect to pretty much everyone in it other than Ben Simmons and maybe ingram.

#3 - for a team trying to shake the "tanking" image of Hinkie, how could the new regime possibly trade away their best player for a future draft asset and not get absolutely torched by the media?  There's no way they could do that and not look like fools.  That's exactly the kind of move that media made Hinkie into a monster for.

Hence why they turned down the offer.  It would be much easier for them to move okafor for a pick this year because the fans are in deep love with Embiid and they are selling out all their home games because of him.  Fans there just want to build around Embiid and Simmons now.

Hinkie didn't resign until April.  I think he would have traded a guy who doesn't seem likely to become a star for a potential top three pick, so either it wasn't a real trade possibility or it was vetoed by ownership.

It's weird I have to fill people in on history that happened less than a year ago.   Colangelo was brought in three months before that trade deadline amidst tons of rabblerousers angry at Philly tanking.  I figured they would still finish out the tank and the colangelo hiring was more about appearances but many insisted their was now a new direction in Philly and it was time to rejoice about the death of their tanking ways.  It certainly shut up the rabble rousers.   Trading okafor for a future pick would have unleashed the floodgates of media hell.  You don't make a big show of "ending the tanking hiring colangelo" and then follow it up by trading the team's best healthy player 3 months later for a draft pick.  Especially when there was only 1 player in that draft that was obviously a better prospect than okafor.

Are you agreeing with me that an unfettered Hinkie would have pulled the trigger?

I think he is so invested in proving that the Bulpett proposal was the holy grail of trade rumors that he doesn't even know what he believes anymore.

[LarBrd33]

How is clay the emotional one in this scenario? He made the point that one person reported it, and everyone else picked it up.

Brian Scalabrine just came up with a rumor re: Klay Thompson, and the whole country picked that rumor up too. It got a ton of publicity.

I'm not here on the Celtics blog trying to convince everyone that Klay Thompson was going to get traded here. Why are you so interested in supporting the claim that Okafor was coming to Boston?

Thank you for this and TP. I also don't get why we must accept the trade rumor deadline but insist on shooting down the more recent draft day rumors. Also, even if the trade deadline was true, the Nets pick was thought to probably end up 5th or 6th at that time (obviously with a very small chance of being a top 2 pick). What is so remarkable about us offering a 5th or 6th pick for Okafor in a weak draft? Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

the interesting thing is that the Brooklyn pick was more valuable at the deadline when we offered it in a package for okafor because it still had a chance of ending up 1st. Once the pick ended up 3rd in a 2 player draft it was significantly less valuable than the pick Philly turned down in February. And while chad ford had his own speculation as to what okafor was worth on draft night, there were no concrete reports that Philly was willing to move okafor for any of the speculated picks. In fact, I've read more reports that suggested Philly was leaning towards moving Noel and wasn't actively shopping okafor on draft night - because they couldn't get rid of a star prospect center until they were supremely confidently that Embiid would play.  It's why even this week it was reported that Philly is unlikely to move okafor right now.  They still need to see what they have with Embiid.

LB sorry I got to call you out with something that is blatantly false here. At the time of the trade deadline the Nets were 16-42.

The Suns had a worse record and were 14-44
The Twolves were 18-46 slightly better than the Nets.
The Pelicans were ahead by 6 with 22 wins.
The Knicks had 24 wins.
The Kings had 24 wins.
The Nuggets had 23 wins.

We have seen the saying, including by you many times, that the Nets were a competitive team with no reason to tank. At the trade deadline how many of those teams was it thought they could pass down the stretch? At best case scenario it seemed like they would stay behind the suns and get passed by the Twolves. There was certainly a fear that the Pelicans would shut down Davis (which they later did) or the Knicks would shut down Melo and the Nets could actually creep past them. Remember there was about 25 games left in the season at this point. So in the 5th slot the pick has an 8% chance of being the top pick. If a few more teams pass them it drops to 4% and then 1.9%. Personally I would rather have my choice of all the second level prospects than having an 8% chance (or worse) of a top pick but extremely likely to be forced to pick a guy that fell to me. Why you think that is good value is a bit beyond me.

what are you calling me out on?  The Brooklyn pick had a chance of ending up 1st when we offered it at the deadline.  Post-lotto when it landed 3, it now had a 0% chance of ending up 1st... since draft picks don't magically change positions after the lotto.  Since this was a 2 player draft, it had more trade value prior to the lotto than it did after the lotto.  Also, it had more trade value as a #3 pick than it did as Jaylen brown (expected to go 8th).  And I'd say Jaylen brown had more trade value this summer as a mystery prospect than he does right now as a raw rookie averaging like 4 points.

[green_bballers13]

Interesting that we get crickets when asking him to provide another source. Maybe, just in this instance, the emperor has no clothes?

[celticsclay]

How is clay the emotional one in this scenario? He made the point that one person reported it, and everyone else picked it up.

Brian Scalabrine just came up with a rumor re: Klay Thompson, and the whole country picked that rumor up too. It got a ton of publicity.

I'm not here on the Celtics blog trying to convince everyone that Klay Thompson was going to get traded here. Why are you so interested in supporting the claim that Okafor was coming to Boston?

Thank you for this and TP. I also don't get why we must accept the trade rumor deadline but insist on shooting down the more recent draft day rumors. Also, even if the trade deadline was true, the Nets pick was thought to probably end up 5th or 6th at that time (obviously with a very small chance of being a top 2 pick). What is so remarkable about us offering a 5th or 6th pick for Okafor in a weak draft? Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

the interesting thing is that the Brooklyn pick was more valuable at the deadline when we offered it in a package for okafor because it still had a chance of ending up 1st. Once the pick ended up 3rd in a 2 player draft it was significantly less valuable than the pick Philly turned down in February. And while chad ford had his own speculation as to what okafor was worth on draft night, there were no concrete reports that Philly was willing to move okafor for any of the speculated picks. In fact, I've read more reports that suggested Philly was leaning towards moving Noel and wasn't actively shopping okafor on draft night - because they couldn't get rid of a star prospect center until they were supremely confidently that Embiid would play.  It's why even this week it was reported that Philly is unlikely to move okafor right now.  They still need to see what they have with Embiid.

LB sorry I got to call you out with something that is blatantly false here. At the time of the trade deadline the Nets were 16-42.

The Suns had a worse record and were 14-44
The Twolves were 18-46 slightly better than the Nets.
The Pelicans were ahead by 6 with 22 wins.
The Knicks had 24 wins.
The Kings had 24 wins.
The Nuggets had 23 wins.

We have seen the saying, including by you many times, that the Nets were a competitive team with no reason to tank. At the trade deadline how many of those teams was it thought they could pass down the stretch? At best case scenario it seemed like they would stay behind the suns and get passed by the Twolves. There was certainly a fear that the Pelicans would shut down Davis (which they later did) or the Knicks would shut down Melo and the Nets could actually creep past them. Remember there was about 25 games left in the season at this point. So in the 5th slot the pick has an 8% chance of being the top pick. If a few more teams pass them it drops to 4% and then 1.9%. Personally I would rather have my choice of all the second level prospects than having an 8% chance (or worse) of a top pick but extremely likely to be forced to pick a guy that fell to me. Why you think that is good value is a bit beyond me.

what are you calling me out on?  The Brooklyn pick had a chance of ending up 1st when we offered it at the deadline.  Post-lotto when it landed 3, it now had a 0% chance of ending up 1st... since draft picks don't magically change positions after the lotto.  Since this was a 2 player draft, it had more trade value prior to the lotto than it did after the lotto.  Also, it had more trade value as a #3 pick than it did as Jaylen brown (expected to go 8th).  And I'd say Jaylen brown had more trade value this summer as a mystery prospect than he does right now as a raw rookie averaging like 4 points.

In my opinion (and I really don't think I am alone on this) a pick that has a 2-8% of being a top pick, but most likely falls at number 6 (or worse) is less valuable than a pick you know 100% is at number 3. I am sure some people like small chance you jump to 1, but I think most people would rather just know the 3rd pick and zero chance of ending up taking scraps at 6 or 7.

Also where are you getting your stats on Brown? He is averaging 6 points in only 15 minutes. I am confused why you don't use the per 36 statistics for him that you always use for Okafor and Embiid. Why is that? Since you are struggling to find stats at the moment or be consistent I'll get them for you. He is actually averaging 14 points and 5.5 rebounds per 36 while shooting a highly respectable 44% from the field. For a 19 year old raw rookie these numbers are just incredible. Can't wait to see what this kid develops into.

[green_bballers13]

Nobody loves Jaylen Brown more than LarBrd, but he wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick in this year's draft. The players that are better than him? Lar doesn't get himself involved in the details. He just has it on good record from a secret source that he doesn't want to disclose that there are many better players than JB, who is averaging "like 4 pts per game".

Is the Donald posting for you Lar? You are making a habit of making statements without backing them up.

[alewilliam789]

Nobody loves Jaylen Brown more than LarBrd, but he wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick in this year's draft. The players that are better than him? Lar doesn't get himself involved in the details. He just has it on good record from a secret source that he doesn't want to disclose that there are many better players than JB, who is averaging "like 4 pts per game".

Is the Donald posting for you Lar? You are making a habit of making statements without backing them up.

Don't see the hate with Brown. Yes he can make some questionable decision at times, but just like we saw in this half he can be a special two-way player. He played very good defense against Kawhi and kept him relatively silent when he was in. I feel like at worst we end up with an Iguadola type player

[celticsclay]

Nobody loves Jaylen Brown more than LarBrd, but he wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick in this year's draft. The players that are better than him? Lar doesn't get himself involved in the details. He just has it on good record from a secret source that he doesn't want to disclose that there are many better players than JB, who is averaging "like 4 pts per game".

Is the Donald posting for you Lar? You are making a habit of making statements without backing them up.

Don't see the hate with Brown. Yes he can make some questionable decision at times, but just like we saw in this half he can be a special two-way player. He played very good defense against Kawhi and kept him relatively silent when he was in. I feel like at worst we end up with an Iguadola type player

It is being a bit silly to criticize Brown by lowering his stats and not acknowledging that he is only playing 15 minutes a game. He only played more than 30 minutes once this year against Cleveland and put up 19 points. If he was playing on a real bad team where he had free reign or we were tanking his numbers per game would be way up.

Since this thread is about Okafor, his numbers are actually down across the board this year whether you look at per game or per 36. The rebounding drop off is particularly troubling for a guy that already couldn't be traded for a top 6 lottery pick.