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Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 12:16:53 AM »

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If you would prefer to lose more games, then sure.

you know we would have been blown out , if the starting unit at the start of the game , kept playing

It's a weak team D starting unit.... weak PG D,  weak rebounding unit

In one game, yep. Plenty of stuff can happen in one game, though. Jordan Crawford or Bojan Bogdonovic can go for 40, the 15/16 Lakers can beat a 73 win team, Dahntay Jones can change a Finals game. You're drawing conclusions from one game; that's crazy. Not only are you drawing conclusions from the smallest of small samples, but you're also suggesting we bench 3 of our 4 best players. That's an idea that doesn't really deserve much serious consideration.
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Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 12:17:51 AM »

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We really are healthy for the first time. This team is about to go on a run if we keep our foot on the gas pedal a bit and don't back down when things don't go our way.  We should run off a good amount in a row here if we do that.

Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 12:18:16 AM »

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no.

One 10 minute stretch of dominance over a young team that lost all sense of direction shouldnt lead to this type of massive overreaction.

This.  Long term we need Rozier and Brown to have an impact like tonight though.

Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 12:19:51 AM »

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Our team fits together right now.  IT, Bradley, Crowder, whoever and Horford.  Smart should be getting major minutes starting or off the bench.  Brown should be making an impact behind Crwoder when given the opportunity.  KO and Zeller need to play tougher.  Rozier is coming on with playing time.  He plays hard.  He's like AB that way. Jerebko has always played hard and been a good roleplayer.

We have a ton of draft picks and stashes we can be somewhat patient on and expiring contracts with Amir.  It's going to be an issue fitting everyone ultimately where a trade is probably going to be made but who knows when or what.

Right now there aren't any major changes that need to be made though.

Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2016, 12:23:17 AM »

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Hopefully crowder is alright.  We haven't been at full strength  yet. More minutes for jerebko and brown if not.

This team has had moments where we've turned it on. Against Dallas late and Smart going nuts here. 

It's not the starters or the bench.   We just have to go out there and play like we can play.  We are jsut getting healthy too.

IT and Horford are the two main cogs on this team.  Crowder is that defensive glue. Our bench is coming but young.  Bradley is the starting 2 guard.   Some guys on our bench would be starting on teams.

There isn't one guy who is irreplaceable on this team where one guy can't start over someone else, but noone should be traded either. The celtics are trying to build something where I don't think they want to trade anyone which is good.

DA doesn't go out there trying to trade guys and want to trade them.  He looks at scenarios but it isn't his intent to get rid of certain players.  He traded for these guys and drafted them.
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Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2016, 12:42:12 AM »

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If the makeup of this team ever changes it will be because DA decides that it makes us a better team.  He could move Crowder eventually so Brown can start as he develops and we improve elewhere or do something more creative.  This team is a process that way.

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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 12:52:17 AM »

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Here's another one. 

Crowder's tied with AB for 2nd best two-way player on the team.  Their values are close because Bradley has gone bonkers by improving yet again this year and defends his position as well as anyone, but Crowder is more versatile defensively and his offense will be solid -- dude just came off an injury at the very beginning of the season.  And Horford is taking shots away from others, and in the starting unit, that affects Crowder more than anyone with AB's improvement. 
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Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 01:04:00 AM »

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Maybe in two years that will be close to the starters. Not any time soon though

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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 01:10:56 AM »

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It's just a matter of time before jpotter chimes in to explain why Jerebko should be starting over Amir.

Great to see our young guys play well tonight against a supposed better young team. Brown, Smart, and Rozier could really lift us to another level if they pan out. Loving the way all of them are playing at each stage of their careers.

Ding Ding Ding!  ;) Is there really any argument against switching the two now with as horrible as Amir has been the entire season?

Honestly, though, I think Brad should send a message and do this for a game. IT, Bradley, Crowder, and Amir (though Amir's is just because he's regressed with age) just aren't providing the same intensity or energy that made us so successful last year. The lineup that won it tonight for us played together and with energy on both ends, which led to turnovers and easy transition points. Brad needs to send a message that our starters can't be entitled and think that they can win games without giving 110% effort every night.
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Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 01:19:08 AM »

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I think the idea is to start big and go small though. Having Amir and Horford out there to start games makes sense that way.  Amir is playing 15-20 mpg.   I don't mind that pairing to start games because it gives us some muscle. If a team is big they are usually going to start big is why teams start big and go small so they can match up with other teams size to start games.

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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2016, 01:22:24 AM »

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You tire out the big guys and then you go small.   That's why late in games small lineups sometimes create so much havoc because their energy level is that much higher.

Jerebko vs Amir it doesnt make that much fo a difference because both are that kind of player but the point is to get Amir when he's fresh and then Jerebko comes in and does his thing.

Amir used to be an energy guy that way. In his old age though he's better served as a starter and a  cagey vet.. He just needs let out of his cage earlier.

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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2016, 01:42:40 AM »

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I read Amir is 29. But has bad knees or was it ankles?

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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2016, 01:55:50 AM »

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He's an old man lol.  It's the beard. He looks like he's 80.

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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2016, 02:03:35 AM »

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If he sits on the bench too long his knees get stiff probably. That's a lot of games even still he's played.

Another reason why it's good to start him get his knees going early.  HAving him come off the bench teams do this with guys and then they never even enter the game.


Weird thing is Amir really was that energy guy early in his career.  But he's different now.  More a cagey vet.
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Re: After tonight the starting lineup should be...
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2016, 02:08:16 AM »

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If you would prefer to lose more games, then sure.

Exactly! And we're questioning IT's role for the 31st time I think.