New Marcus Smart comparison?

[LarBrd33]

Based on what you thought we were drafting, are you disappointed in Smart's play so far?

It would be fair to say Smart has not turned into the kind of player I hoped he'd be back then.  Nor has he shown the kind of improvement that I was hoping, this time last year, that we'd see by now.

Oh well.  Most prospects don't pan out the way you expect.  It is surprising to me, though, that Smart in college was a solid finisher inside who got to the line a lot, but in the pros he shoots mostly outside jumpers and brings most of his value on defense and making hustle plays off the ball. 

I was hoping / expecting we'd get something along the lines of a defensive version of Eric Gordon / O.J. Mayo, or a less athetic Baron Davis.  Instead he's more like a Kirk Hinrich / Iman Shumpert / Keyon Dooling type guy.

How do you feel he compares to Hinrich? 

[celticsclay]

I'd be psyched to have Ron Artest on my team, before he hits his prime.

And for anyone claiming Artest was some offensive wunderkind, he was a 41% career shooter and 34% career from 3.  That is not out of reach for Marcus Smart, and Smart could be equal on defense.

In his second season Artest averaged 11.9 points on 40% shooting and 29% 3pt shooting.
3.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists

Smart is at 37% and 34% when he hasn't even been healthy enough to play close to two seasons of games with 10.5, 4.5, 3.5.

Even if you want to back to his injury riddled campaign last year he had 9, 4 and 3 on 35% and 25%

Really not much of a difference. Rinse Lather Repeat. TPs for all that shoot down the madness!

Guess who ever called him a poor mans version doesn't really understand that expression.
Also a final nail in the coffin for this loser of a debate saying Young Ron Artest was more successful than young Marcus Smart.

Smart's similar numbers were on a team winning 48 games. Artest's Bulls won 15 games.
Smart even averaged less turnovers as a guard! Feels good to disprove something so resoundingly with fair numbers.

"Something-something tiers, something-something per 36"

Funny... I used Per-36 for Smart's own benefit.   Do straight-up comparison of Artest his first 3 years vs Smart so far and Artest is the hands down winner.  Not to mention he was a better defender and had more size on Smart.

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .359 .299 .706 3.8 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.6
Metta World Peace   .410 .306 .700 4.3 2.7 2.0 0.6 12.3


LOL how can you compare their 3rd season when Smart has played 11 games. By regular statistics Smart's second year was the same or better than second year Artest. By advanced stats second year Smart was superior to second year Artest. Does that upset you?

Artest's 2nd season he averaged 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals with 40%/29%/75% shooting... Smart's 2nd season he averaged 9.1 points, 4.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.5 steals with historically bad 35%/25%/77% shooting

In what world was SMart's 2nd season better?

Clay, I wasn't comparing Smart's 3rd season (in which he's been dead last in offensive rating) to Artest's 3rd season.   I was comparing Artest through his first 3 years (all 3 years combined) vs Smart through his entire NBA career.   Does that upset you?

It does not make sense to include a full season for Artest for an 11 game stretch for Smart and act like it is a fair comparison for smart. So yes that actually does upset me. It is in a long time of twisting the numbers to suit your agenda. Sometimes with just flat out lying as you were called out by other posters for with your post boston stats for players that left. (Walked away from that post with your tail between your legs and never responded).

So per 36 is your favorite right? You went back to regular in this argument cause it fit you (burn).I'll bold this for you cause it ends the argument:

Smart per 36 second season: 12 points, 5.5 rebounds 4 assists, 1.7 turnovers. 35% FG, 27% 3P
Advanced 101ORT 103 DRT, 2.9 WS

Artest per 36 second season : 13.8 points, 4.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 2.4 turnovers 40% fg, 29% 94ORT, 104DRT and 1.9 WS

To summarize for you since you are either intentionally being aloof or really don't understand this. Artest shot a little better and averaged 1.8 points more. He averaged less rebounds, less assists, more turnovers, had a lower offensive rating and less win shares. By any reasonable all encompassing stats Artest was worse in his second season than Smart was. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Smart was better in his second season than Artest was PERIOD.

Edit: Just to be clear. You want to compare Artest and Smart after their 3rd seasons are both completed that is totally fair game. However, comparing Smart's now is straight BS. He has played 11 games. His shooting percentages fluctuate wildly from game to game.  Dropped something like 5% after his two last bad games. That doesn't make sense and isn't reasonable. You compare them after seasons they have completed in their most recent completed player Smart was the overall better player. You were wrong about this.

[LarBrd33]

I'd be psyched to have Ron Artest on my team, before he hits his prime.

And for anyone claiming Artest was some offensive wunderkind, he was a 41% career shooter and 34% career from 3.  That is not out of reach for Marcus Smart, and Smart could be equal on defense.

In his second season Artest averaged 11.9 points on 40% shooting and 29% 3pt shooting.
3.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists

Smart is at 37% and 34% when he hasn't even been healthy enough to play close to two seasons of games with 10.5, 4.5, 3.5.

Even if you want to back to his injury riddled campaign last year he had 9, 4 and 3 on 35% and 25%

Really not much of a difference. Rinse Lather Repeat. TPs for all that shoot down the madness!

Guess who ever called him a poor mans version doesn't really understand that expression.
Also a final nail in the coffin for this loser of a debate saying Young Ron Artest was more successful than young Marcus Smart.

Smart's similar numbers were on a team winning 48 games. Artest's Bulls won 15 games.
Smart even averaged less turnovers as a guard! Feels good to disprove something so resoundingly with fair numbers.

"Something-something tiers, something-something per 36"

Funny... I used Per-36 for Smart's own benefit.   Do straight-up comparison of Artest his first 3 years vs Smart so far and Artest is the hands down winner.  Not to mention he was a better defender and had more size on Smart.

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .359 .299 .706 3.8 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.6
Metta World Peace   .410 .306 .700 4.3 2.7 2.0 0.6 12.3


LOL how can you compare their 3rd season when Smart has played 11 games. By regular statistics Smart's second year was the same or better than second year Artest. By advanced stats second year Smart was superior to second year Artest. Does that upset you?

Artest's 2nd season he averaged 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals with 40%/29%/75% shooting... Smart's 2nd season he averaged 9.1 points, 4.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.5 steals with historically bad 35%/25%/77% shooting

In what world was SMart's 2nd season better?

Clay, I wasn't comparing Smart's 3rd season (in which he's been dead last in offensive rating) to Artest's 3rd season.   I was comparing Artest through his first 3 years (all 3 years combined) vs Smart through his entire NBA career.   Does that upset you?

It does not make sense to include a full season for Artest for an 11 game stretch for Smart and act like it is a fair comparison for smart.

Let's get a couple things straight...

#1 Artest's stats were better by any measure by any length of time you arbitrarily decide to use.  Want to compare them over their first 2 season instead?... fine... Artest wins:

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .357 .296 .720 3.7 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.4
Metta World Peace   .404 .304 .712 4.1 2.9 1.8 0.6 12.0

#2  You can't use offensive rating and defensive rating in that way.  You can't compare those numbers from two very different teams of very different levels of success 15 years apart from one another.  It's more interesting to note that during that 2nd season you keep referring to, Marcus Smart was 10th on his team in offensive rating... During Artest's 2nd season he was 8th on his team in offensive rating.   During Smart's second season he was tied for 9th on his team in defensive rating.   Artest was 1st on his team in defensive rating.  Consider the impact each had.

[PhoSita]

Based on what you thought we were drafting, are you disappointed in Smart's play so far?

It would be fair to say Smart has not turned into the kind of player I hoped he'd be back then.  Nor has he shown the kind of improvement that I was hoping, this time last year, that we'd see by now.

Oh well.  Most prospects don't pan out the way you expect.  It is surprising to me, though, that Smart in college was a solid finisher inside who got to the line a lot, but in the pros he shoots mostly outside jumpers and brings most of his value on defense and making hustle plays off the ball. 

I was hoping / expecting we'd get something along the lines of a defensive version of Eric Gordon / O.J. Mayo, or a less athetic Baron Davis.  Instead he's more like a Kirk Hinrich / Iman Shumpert / Keyon Dooling type guy.

How do you feel he compares to Hinrich?

Bigger, beefier, more capable as a main ballhandler, but obviously nowhere near the shooter Kirk is/was.

[celticsclay]

I'd be psyched to have Ron Artest on my team, before he hits his prime.

And for anyone claiming Artest was some offensive wunderkind, he was a 41% career shooter and 34% career from 3.  That is not out of reach for Marcus Smart, and Smart could be equal on defense.

In his second season Artest averaged 11.9 points on 40% shooting and 29% 3pt shooting.
3.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists

Smart is at 37% and 34% when he hasn't even been healthy enough to play close to two seasons of games with 10.5, 4.5, 3.5.

Even if you want to back to his injury riddled campaign last year he had 9, 4 and 3 on 35% and 25%

Really not much of a difference. Rinse Lather Repeat. TPs for all that shoot down the madness!

Guess who ever called him a poor mans version doesn't really understand that expression.
Also a final nail in the coffin for this loser of a debate saying Young Ron Artest was more successful than young Marcus Smart.

Smart's similar numbers were on a team winning 48 games. Artest's Bulls won 15 games.
Smart even averaged less turnovers as a guard! Feels good to disprove something so resoundingly with fair numbers.

"Something-something tiers, something-something per 36"

Funny... I used Per-36 for Smart's own benefit.   Do straight-up comparison of Artest his first 3 years vs Smart so far and Artest is the hands down winner.  Not to mention he was a better defender and had more size on Smart.

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .359 .299 .706 3.8 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.6
Metta World Peace   .410 .306 .700 4.3 2.7 2.0 0.6 12.3


LOL how can you compare their 3rd season when Smart has played 11 games. By regular statistics Smart's second year was the same or better than second year Artest. By advanced stats second year Smart was superior to second year Artest. Does that upset you?

Artest's 2nd season he averaged 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals with 40%/29%/75% shooting... Smart's 2nd season he averaged 9.1 points, 4.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.5 steals with historically bad 35%/25%/77% shooting

In what world was SMart's 2nd season better?

Clay, I wasn't comparing Smart's 3rd season (in which he's been dead last in offensive rating) to Artest's 3rd season.   I was comparing Artest through his first 3 years (all 3 years combined) vs Smart through his entire NBA career.   Does that upset you?

It does not make sense to include a full season for Artest for an 11 game stretch for Smart and act like it is a fair comparison for smart.

Let's get a couple things straight...

#1 Artest's stats were better by any measure by any length of time you arbitrarily decide to use.  Want to compare them over their first 2 season instead?... fine... Artest wins:

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .357 .296 .720 3.7 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.4
Metta World Peace   .404 .304 .712 4.1 2.9 1.8 0.6 12.0

#2  You can't use offensive rating and defensive rating in that way.  You can't compare those numbers from two very different teams of very different levels of success 15 years apart from one another.  It's more interesting to note that during that 2nd season you keep referring to, Marcus Smart was 10th on his team in offensive rating... During Artest's 2nd season he was 8th on his team in offensive rating.   During Smart's second season he was tied for 9th on his team in defensive rating.   Artest was 1st on his team in defensive rating.  Consider the impact each had.

I compared them over their second season. Smart just finished his second season. It is his most recent data point. Artest played a complete second season.

You compare those two seasons. This is the fairest comparison you can make. After this season we can compare their 3rd seasons.
Now again,  overall, Smart was a little better. You do your favorite per 36 and he averaged more rebounds, assists and less turnovers while shooting a slightly worse percentage and 1.8 points less.

Here they are again

Smart per 36 second season: 12 points, 5.5 rebounds 4 assists, 1.7 turnovers. 35% FG, 27% 3P
Advanced 101ORT 103 DRT, 2.9 WS

Artest per 36 second season : 13.8 points, 4.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 2.4 turnovers 40% fg, 29% 94ORT, 104DRT and 1.9 WS

 Smart was a little better. He certainly wasn't a poor man's version like you suggested. This isn't complicated and I am sorry you were wrong.

[alldaboston]

I'd be psyched to have Ron Artest on my team, before he hits his prime.

And for anyone claiming Artest was some offensive wunderkind, he was a 41% career shooter and 34% career from 3.  That is not out of reach for Marcus Smart, and Smart could be equal on defense.

In his second season Artest averaged 11.9 points on 40% shooting and 29% 3pt shooting.
3.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists

Smart is at 37% and 34% when he hasn't even been healthy enough to play close to two seasons of games with 10.5, 4.5, 3.5.

Even if you want to back to his injury riddled campaign last year he had 9, 4 and 3 on 35% and 25%

Really not much of a difference. Rinse Lather Repeat. TPs for all that shoot down the madness!

Guess who ever called him a poor mans version doesn't really understand that expression.
Also a final nail in the coffin for this loser of a debate saying Young Ron Artest was more successful than young Marcus Smart.

Smart's similar numbers were on a team winning 48 games. Artest's Bulls won 15 games.
Smart even averaged less turnovers as a guard! Feels good to disprove something so resoundingly with fair numbers.

"Something-something tiers, something-something per 36"

Funny... I used Per-36 for Smart's own benefit.   Do straight-up comparison of Artest his first 3 years vs Smart so far and Artest is the hands down winner.  Not to mention he was a better defender and had more size on Smart.

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .359 .299 .706 3.8 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.6
Metta World Peace   .410 .306 .700 4.3 2.7 2.0 0.6 12.3


LOL how can you compare their 3rd season when Smart has played 11 games. By regular statistics Smart's second year was the same or better than second year Artest. By advanced stats second year Smart was superior to second year Artest. Does that upset you?

Artest's 2nd season he averaged 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals with 40%/29%/75% shooting... Smart's 2nd season he averaged 9.1 points, 4.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.5 steals with historically bad 35%/25%/77% shooting

In what world was SMart's 2nd season better?

Clay, I wasn't comparing Smart's 3rd season (in which he's been dead last in offensive rating) to Artest's 3rd season.   I was comparing Artest through his first 3 years (all 3 years combined) vs Smart through his entire NBA career.   Does that upset you?

It does not make sense to include a full season for Artest for an 11 game stretch for Smart and act like it is a fair comparison for smart.

Let's get a couple things straight...

#1 Artest's stats were better by any measure by any length of time you arbitrarily decide to use.  Want to compare them over their first 2 season instead?... fine... Artest wins:

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .357 .296 .720 3.7 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.4
Metta World Peace   .404 .304 .712 4.1 2.9 1.8 0.6 12.0

#2  You can't use offensive rating and defensive rating in that way.  You can't compare those numbers from two very different teams of very different levels of success 15 years apart from one another.  It's more interesting to note that during that 2nd season you keep referring to, Marcus Smart was 10th on his team in offensive rating... During Artest's 2nd season he was 8th on his team in offensive rating.   During Smart's second season he was tied for 9th on his team in defensive rating.   Artest was 1st on his team in defensive rating. Consider the impact each had.

False. He was 4th best on his team in defensive rating: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2001.html

and Smart was 7th, not 9th: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2016.html

AND, in today's modern era with elite offenses and all that good stuff, Smart still had a lower D rating than Artest did back then.

[IDreamCeltics]

Bc he certaintly is no Dwade as nbadraft listed prior to the draft

Lindsay Hunter?   Or another James Posey like comparison but a guard version

High Lottery pick drafted by the Celtics as a point guard with size and then asked to play out of position as an off guard to get court time?...   poor scoring percentages, but still competitive enough to demand a meaningful role?... Didn't develop into an NBA Point Guard overnight which caused fans and NBA executives to sour on him?

Sounds like Chauncey Billups to me.

[celticsclay]

I'd be psyched to have Ron Artest on my team, before he hits his prime.

And for anyone claiming Artest was some offensive wunderkind, he was a 41% career shooter and 34% career from 3.  That is not out of reach for Marcus Smart, and Smart could be equal on defense.

In his second season Artest averaged 11.9 points on 40% shooting and 29% 3pt shooting.
3.9 rebounds, 3.3 assists

Smart is at 37% and 34% when he hasn't even been healthy enough to play close to two seasons of games with 10.5, 4.5, 3.5.

Even if you want to back to his injury riddled campaign last year he had 9, 4 and 3 on 35% and 25%

Really not much of a difference. Rinse Lather Repeat. TPs for all that shoot down the madness!

Guess who ever called him a poor mans version doesn't really understand that expression.
Also a final nail in the coffin for this loser of a debate saying Young Ron Artest was more successful than young Marcus Smart.

Smart's similar numbers were on a team winning 48 games. Artest's Bulls won 15 games.
Smart even averaged less turnovers as a guard! Feels good to disprove something so resoundingly with fair numbers.

"Something-something tiers, something-something per 36"

Funny... I used Per-36 for Smart's own benefit.   Do straight-up comparison of Artest his first 3 years vs Smart so far and Artest is the hands down winner.  Not to mention he was a better defender and had more size on Smart.

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .359 .299 .706 3.8 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.6
Metta World Peace   .410 .306 .700 4.3 2.7 2.0 0.6 12.3


LOL how can you compare their 3rd season when Smart has played 11 games. By regular statistics Smart's second year was the same or better than second year Artest. By advanced stats second year Smart was superior to second year Artest. Does that upset you?

Artest's 2nd season he averaged 12 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals with 40%/29%/75% shooting... Smart's 2nd season he averaged 9.1 points, 4.2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.5 steals with historically bad 35%/25%/77% shooting

In what world was SMart's 2nd season better?

Clay, I wasn't comparing Smart's 3rd season (in which he's been dead last in offensive rating) to Artest's 3rd season.   I was comparing Artest through his first 3 years (all 3 years combined) vs Smart through his entire NBA career.   Does that upset you?

It does not make sense to include a full season for Artest for an 11 game stretch for Smart and act like it is a fair comparison for smart.

Let's get a couple things straight...

#1 Artest's stats were better by any measure by any length of time you arbitrarily decide to use.  Want to compare them over their first 2 season instead?... fine... Artest wins:

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Player               FG%  3P%  FT% TRB AST STL BLK  PTS
Marcus Smart        .357 .296 .720 3.7 3.1 1.5 0.3  8.4
Metta World Peace   .404 .304 .712 4.1 2.9 1.8 0.6 12.0

#2  You can't use offensive rating and defensive rating in that way.  You can't compare those numbers from two very different teams of very different levels of success 15 years apart from one another.  It's more interesting to note that during that 2nd season you keep referring to, Marcus Smart was 10th on his team in offensive rating... During Artest's 2nd season he was 8th on his team in offensive rating.   During Smart's second season he was tied for 9th on his team in defensive rating.   Artest was 1st on his team in defensive rating. Consider the impact each had.

False. He was 4th best on his team in defensive rating: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2001.html

and Smart was 7th, not 9th: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2016.html

AND, in today's modern era with elite offenses and all that good stuff, Smart still had a lower D rating than Artest did back then.

I do appreciate others jumping in and pointing out statistical inaccuracies that LB puts in. I don't have the time to fact check all of his information. I'll try to get this back on track. Smart's most recent season completed was very similar, and probably better than Ron Artest's second season.

This is pretty encouraging because Artest became a pretty good player. He made an all star team and would have made one or two more without the offcourt. I think this is encouraging and appreciate other people not just accepting inaccurate assertions about players stats. Smart still has a chance to keep his career matched to Artest.

[LarBrd33]

Based on what you thought we were drafting, are you disappointed in Smart's play so far?

It would be fair to say Smart has not turned into the kind of player I hoped he'd be back then.  Nor has he shown the kind of improvement that I was hoping, this time last year, that we'd see by now.

Oh well.  Most prospects don't pan out the way you expect.  It is surprising to me, though, that Smart in college was a solid finisher inside who got to the line a lot, but in the pros he shoots mostly outside jumpers and brings most of his value on defense and making hustle plays off the ball. 

I was hoping / expecting we'd get something along the lines of a defensive version of Eric Gordon / O.J. Mayo, or a less athetic Baron Davis.  Instead he's more like a Kirk Hinrich / Iman Shumpert / Keyon Dooling type guy.

How do you feel he compares to Hinrich?

Bigger, beefier, more capable as a main ballhandler, but obviously nowhere near the shooter Kirk is/was.

I'll buy that.  Kirk Hinrich with no offense.

[fingerlakes]

When I initially said Metta World Peace I thought it may not be PC to refer to him as Ron Artest.  I think Smart is mostly similar to Artest in how he impacts the game.  He just has that similar swagger that Artest had in his day and players hate competing against him.  The man hurts people.  Why John Wall retaliated against last week when he knocked him on his butt and got ejected. 

[celticsclay]

When I initially said Metta World Peace I thought it may not be PC to refer to him as Ron Artest.  I think Smart is mostly similar to Artest in how he impacts the game.  He just has that similar swagger that Artest had in his day and players hate competing against him.  The man hurts people.  Why John Wall retaliated against last week when he knocked him on his butt and got ejected.

TP I initially didn't realize they had such similar stats their second season. I am now quite encouraged by this comparison so thank you for bringing it forward.

[LarBrd33]

When I initially said Metta World Peace I thought it may not be PC to refer to him as Ron Artest.  I think Smart is mostly similar to Artest in how he impacts the game.  He just has that similar swagger that Artest had in his day and players hate competing against him.  The man hurts people.  Why John Wall retaliated against last week when he knocked him on his butt and got ejected.

Is that not PC?  As far as I know, he didn't change his name for religious reasons or anything.  He said it would be good "marketing"... He wanted to sell more jerseys like Chad Ochocinco.  The name choices were to make a statement, I guess.  It was ironic that the guy who started a brawl would change his name to "World Peace".   Last I heard, he had changed his name to "The Panda's Friend", because he was playing in China and wanted to sell his own licensed "Panda's Friend" clothing. 

I got the impression Ron Artest would change his name to Starbucks McDonalds if they paid him enough.

[LarBrd33]

When I initially said Metta World Peace I thought it may not be PC to refer to him as Ron Artest.  I think Smart is mostly similar to Artest in how he impacts the game.  He just has that similar swagger that Artest had in his day and players hate competing against him.  The man hurts people.  Why John Wall retaliated against last week when he knocked him on his butt and got ejected.

Is that not PC?  As far as I know, he didn't change his name for religious reasons or anything.  He said it would be good "marketing"... He wanted to sell more jerseys like Chad Ochocinco.  The name choices were to make a statement, I guess.  It was ironic that the guy who started a brawl would change his name to "World Peace".   Last I heard, he had changed his name to "The Panda's Friend", because he was playing in China and wanted to sell his own licensed "Panda's Friend" clothing. 

I got the impression Ron Artest would change his name to Starbucks McDonalds if they paid him enough.

Speaking of which, if Marcus Smart continues the trajectory of being a poor man's Ron Artest, maybe we'll see him change his name to something fun like Starbucks McDonalds.  He's already got the french fry hair.

[celticsclay]

When I initially said Metta World Peace I thought it may not be PC to refer to him as Ron Artest.  I think Smart is mostly similar to Artest in how he impacts the game.  He just has that similar swagger that Artest had in his day and players hate competing against him.  The man hurts people.  Why John Wall retaliated against last week when he knocked him on his butt and got ejected.

Is that not PC?  As far as I know, he didn't change his name for religious reasons or anything.  He said it would be good "marketing"... He wanted to sell more jerseys like Chad Ochocinco.  The name choices were to make a statement, I guess.  It was ironic that the guy who started a brawl would change his name to "World Peace".   Last I heard, he had changed his name to "The Panda's Friend", because he was playing in China and wanted to sell his own licensed "Panda's Friend" clothing. 

I got the impression Ron Artest would change his name to Starbucks McDonalds if they paid him enough.

Speaking of which, if Marcus Smart continues the trajectory of being slightly better than poor man's Ron Artest, maybe we'll see him change his name to something fun like Starbucks McDonalds.  He's already got the french fry hair.

i love that you returned with nonsense. As proven previously in Smart's just completed second season he was better than Artest's second season. At this point his trajectory is equal to or above Artest's. You will get called out on this every time you send out this false information. Stop misleading people. You can revisit this if you want after we have a new data point. Until then, it is inaccurate.

[LarBrd33]

When I initially said Metta World Peace I thought it may not be PC to refer to him as Ron Artest.  I think Smart is mostly similar to Artest in how he impacts the game.  He just has that similar swagger that Artest had in his day and players hate competing against him.  The man hurts people.  Why John Wall retaliated against last week when he knocked him on his butt and got ejected.

Is that not PC?  As far as I know, he didn't change his name for religious reasons or anything.  He said it would be good "marketing"... He wanted to sell more jerseys like Chad Ochocinco.  The name choices were to make a statement, I guess.  It was ironic that the guy who started a brawl would change his name to "World Peace".   Last I heard, he had changed his name to "The Panda's Friend", because he was playing in China and wanted to sell his own licensed "Panda's Friend" clothing. 

I got the impression Ron Artest would change his name to Starbucks McDonalds if they paid him enough.

Speaking of which, if Marcus Smart continues the trajectory of being slightly better than poor man's Ron Artest, maybe we'll see him change his name to something fun like Starbucks McDonalds.  He's already got the french fry hair.

i love that you returned with nonsense. As proven previously in Smart's just completed second season he was better than Artest's second season. At this point his trajectory is equal to or above Artest's. You will get called out on this every time you send out this false information. Stop misleading people. You can revisit this if you want after we have a new data point. Until then, it is inaccurate.

smart isn't as good as artest was. Your own stats prove this if you understand how to read them.  But also, artest was already more offensively efficient with a far worse supporting cast.  We saw his efficiency rise when playing with better players.  Stick smart on a team with a poor supporting cast and he'd probably be worse than the historically bad shooting he already displayed.

I agree artest is a bad comp though.  Kirk hinrich with garbage offense is more appropriate.