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whats wrong with mickey
« on: November 20, 2016, 08:46:52 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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he dominated for red claws but had a poor summer league and brad seems to not trust him
you would think as weak as we were up front that he would have forced his way into playing time-so is there a place on this team for him with zizic cominrg-
i must admit i have never really watched him any scrutiny
if he didn't play recently, when will he and then the question whats missing? ,can it develope?
is it defense,height strength,defense,offense ?-
does he need to focus on playing power forward up in maine?

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2016, 08:50:11 AM »

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I guess the few times I paid attention to him, he seems too small, doesn't take up space and move other bigs around...maybe he's just too small or not strong enuff....

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2016, 09:29:59 AM »

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he's not as good as some folks here thought he would be? if so, then hard to blame him isnt it?

but more to the point rollie, i think, wants to develop in this thread, from what little we have seen of mickey, perhaps his biggest problem falls into the gerald green, james young category - good physical skills, poor mental skills.

that is, under CBS almost anyone can get some minutes and produce. phil pressey is a case in point. phil had very limited abilities, but still did something positive for CBS, albeit in tiny doses.

mickey has ability, but like young and green, he seems to be very slow in picking up team defenses. individually his pogo stick blocks are impressive. but he seems a step behind in switches, loses his man of defense, and generally hasnt impressed me with the ability to play within CBS' defensive schemes.

granted, mickey plays only garbage time, which is often chaotic and players are not familiar with one another. nevertheless, i just dont see heady plays coming from mickey. individual plays? yes. team based defense, not so much.

but, this is a tiny sample upon which to assess his bb iq.

on offense, he is what he is. a shorter than average forward who doesnt seem to have great post moves (again, maybe I am missing something here) and does not yet have a good mid or outside shot. the shot charts i saw all showed that mickey shoots from with a few feet of the basket, overwhelmingly so.

i hope he does well for the celtics. but when CBS has trouble finding a place for a player in his schemes, then i wonder if perhaps the player may have trouble understanding the schemes.

but he is the 14th-15th guy on the team. his role right now is to develop into a better player, not contribute to wins and losses, yet.

i would welcome other, more informed opinions on this.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2016, 09:33:37 AM »

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Mickey has bad defensive fundamentals (positioning off the ball & post position defense) and needs time to improve them. His defense has already improved significantly from where he was at draft time and there is every reason to expect it to continue to improve moving forward.

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2016, 09:39:14 AM »

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he's not as good as some folks here thought he would be? if so, then hard to blame him isnt it?

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2016, 09:39:55 AM »

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Doing well in the D-League means very little.  Mickey was a 2nd round pick so him not contributing much isn't a surprise.  RHJ who was pick a bit higher than Mickey already got cut.  Most 2nd round picks don't accomplish much if anything in the NBA.  Mickey is a bit undersized and I don't see him having skill enough in any area to keep him in the league. 

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2016, 09:44:33 AM »

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he's not as good as some folks here thought he would be? if so, then hard to blame him isnt it?

TP this forum had him pegged as the second coming of Motumbo. The majority of second round picks don't pan out and it appears that Mickey might fall into that bucket as well.
Needless to say there will obviously be disappointment in a players production when you set the bar so insanely high for no good reason.

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When we drafted him, I was under the impression that he was a more explosive shot-blocker type of player who could move well laterally and throw down alley-oops. So far, he looks to be a below the rim type player who can barely dunk from two feet. Perhaps he should have also played volleyball in high school to work on that standing vertical.

He might just be timid at the NBA level, as to not make mistakes which will get him pulled from the game. Unless you are extremely talented, this method of play rarely works for young players. He should be taking notes from Marcus Smart on what it takes to make an NBA rotation without elite physical play / shooting.

Looking forward to seeing Zizic, who appears to have that motor, and Yab, who seems to possess a unique set of skills for his size.

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Mickey has bad defensive fundamentals (positioning off the ball & post position defense) and needs time to improve them. His defense has already improved significantly from where he was at draft time and there is every reason to expect it to continue to improve moving forward.

Yep, that's his current biggest flaw. I'd like to see him more at PF though and/or playing alongside actual capable bigs (Horford).

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He's not an NBA caliber player. That's what's wrong with him.

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He's not an NBA caliber player. That's what's wrong with him.
and please provide us with some insights, stats, analysis that demonstrate why this is the case. i am not saying you are incorrect. but i am asking that you provide more than a general assertion that lacks evidence or support. no one is convinced by such a statement.

some of the posters here have done a good job of explaining why they think they way the do. we would all get more from your post if you expanded on it more fully.

thanks.
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Kinda sucks

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Lack of talent and experience?
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2016, 11:24:18 AM »

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He's not an NBA caliber player. That's what's wrong with him.
and please provide us with some insights, stats, analysis that demonstrate why this is the case. i am not saying you are incorrect. but i am asking that you provide more than a general assertion that lacks evidence or support. no one is convinced by such a statement.

some of the posters here have done a good job of explaining why they think they way the do. we would all get more from your post if you expanded on it more fully.

thanks.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2016, 11:34:00 AM »

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I think we were so desperate for rim protection at the time he was drafted, we kind of lost our heads as to his real potential.