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Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2016, 02:00:53 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.

lol what? Every single one of those players on those Celtics teams played a significant role in the offense (except maybe Lee and Hump). Regardless, they were all getting major minutes here. Not every team will depend on Steez to be starting point guard. Not every team wants Jeff Green to be a primary scoring option. Not every team is a good fit for Rondo. Hell, Bass went to the [dang] lakers, didn't he? In the midst of their development and youth movement, did you actually expect his stats to go up? Same with Thornton. Lots of those players simply played a different role for their new team, and were used excessively here because we had no one better. In many ways, the only reason you see a drop off was because their stats were inflated thanks to the role they played for that team.

Rozier and Brown would definitely be one of the major pieces and offensive players on the Sixers. They would all definitely do much better than they would here. They don't play a big role here on offense. Do you genuinely think Brad is getting "the most" out of Rozier and Brown right now? Smart would do about the same in my opinion.
Doubt they'd be significant pieces to the 76ers offense right now.  And yes, Brad is getting the most he can out of them right now.   Their numbers would go down if they played on that team.  Might even spend time in D-League.

Lb says they will be dleague players for the 76ers!

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2016, 02:24:11 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.
Crawford was on the Celtics in Brads first season. That was a bottom 5 team and a far cry from todays squad.

You also bend numbers to fit your narrative. For example Rondo and Lee were both traded/dropped midseason. For the rest of that season Rondo's numbers went down, Lees went up. The next year, Lees went down, Rondos went up. For Lee you included his stats from the next season and Rondo from the rest of the season.

Interestingly enough Rondos stats went down while on the playoff bound mavs, then up once on the bottom dwelling kings.

Lees stats went up while on the 7 seeded Mavs and down on the 10-3 Spurs.

Further number bending with Humphries. First, he was only on Boston when we were a bottom 5 team, second you dont mention that his numbers stayed the same the next season. It was only in 15/16 when he bounced from team to team that his numbers plummeted. Not sure what to draw from that but the point is that 13-14 Boston is way way different from 16-17 Boston.


Evan Turner went from perfect fit to terrible fit. Jeff Green also went from terrible team to very solid team when traded from Boston to Memphis which is in the direct opposite direction as a Boston-Phill move.

Jared Sullinger got hurt...

So this leaves Marcus Thornton.  He left a terrible Celtics team to go to a similarly bad Suns team. Difference is, Thornton (I believe) was there for salary matching purposes. As an expiring veteran Phoenix never had any plans on involving Thornton. The deadline deals they made were with 2 objectives: 1 clean up their point guard mess. 2 make a push for the lotto which was known to be deep at the time (Boston faced a similar 8 seed vs. pick 12 dilemma).

Rozier Brown and Smart are all young perimeter players with 2, 3, and 4 years (including this one) left on their contracts. Considering Philly is desperate for perimeter players they would not be thrown to the back with Marcus Thornton.

So for for the 100th time in response to an LB post, I will remind you, CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS.
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Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2016, 02:25:56 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.

lol what? Every single one of those players on those Celtics teams played a significant role in the offense (except maybe Lee and Hump). Regardless, they were all getting major minutes here. Not every team will depend on Steez to be starting point guard. Not every team wants Jeff Green to be a primary scoring option. Not every team is a good fit for Rondo. Hell, Bass went to the [dang] lakers, didn't he? In the midst of their development and youth movement, did you actually expect his stats to go up? Same with Thornton. Lots of those players simply played a different role for their new team, and were used excessively here because we had no one better. In many ways, the only reason you see a drop off was because their stats were inflated thanks to the role they played for that team.

Rozier and Brown would definitely be one of the major pieces and offensive players on the Sixers. They would all definitely do much better than they would here. They don't play a big role here on offense. Do you genuinely think Brad is getting "the most" out of Rozier and Brown right now? Smart would do about the same in my opinion.
Doubt they'd be significant pieces to the 76ers offense right now.  And yes, Brad is getting the most he can out of them right now.   Their numbers would go down if they played on that team.  Might even spend time in D-League.
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Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2016, 02:37:49 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.
Crawford was on the Celtics in Brads first season. That was a bottom 5 team and a far cry from todays squad.

You also bend numbers to fit your narrative. For example Rondo and Lee were both traded/dropped midseason. For the rest of that season Rondo's numbers went down, Lees went up. The next year, Lees went down, Rondos went up. For Lee you included his stats from the next season and Rondo from the rest of the season.

Interestingly enough Rondos stats went down while on the playoff bound mavs, then up once on the bottom dwelling kings.

Lees stats went up while on the 7 seeded Mavs and down on the 10-3 Spurs.

Further number bending with Humphries. First, he was only on Boston when we were a bottom 5 team, second you dont mention that his numbers stayed the same the next season. It was only in 15/16 when he bounced from team to team that his numbers plummeted. Not sure what to draw from that but the point is that 13-14 Boston is way way different from 16-17 Boston.


Evan Turner went from perfect fit to terrible fit. Jeff Green also went from terrible team to very solid team when traded from Boston to Memphis which is in the direct opposite direction as a Boston-Phill move.

Jared Sullinger got hurt...

So this leaves Marcus Thornton.  He left a terrible Celtics team to go to a similarly bad Suns team. Difference is, Thornton (I believe) was there for salary matching purposes. As an expiring veteran Phoenix never had any plans on involving Thornton. The deadline deals they made were with 2 objectives: 1 clean up their point guard mess. 2 make a push for the lotto which was known to be deep at the time (Boston faced a similar 8 seed vs. pick 12 dilemma).

Rozier Brown and Smart are all young perimeter players with 2, 3, and 4 years (including this one) left on their contracts. Considering Philly is desperate for perimeter players they would not be thrown to the back with Marcus Thornton.

So for for the 100th time in response to an LB post, I will remind you, CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS.
if he really did what you are saying with lee and rondo that is not cool. I just accept numbers when people post yhem

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2016, 03:01:35 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.
Crawford was on the Celtics in Brads first season. That was a bottom 5 team and a far cry from todays squad.

You also bend numbers to fit your narrative. For example Rondo and Lee were both traded/dropped midseason. For the rest of that season Rondo's numbers went down, Lees went up. The next year, Lees went down, Rondos went up. For Lee you included his stats from the next season and Rondo from the rest of the season.

Interestingly enough Rondos stats went down while on the playoff bound mavs, then up once on the bottom dwelling kings.

Lees stats went up while on the 7 seeded Mavs and down on the 10-3 Spurs.

Further number bending with Humphries. First, he was only on Boston when we were a bottom 5 team, second you dont mention that his numbers stayed the same the next season. It was only in 15/16 when he bounced from team to team that his numbers plummeted. Not sure what to draw from that but the point is that 13-14 Boston is way way different from 16-17 Boston.


Evan Turner went from perfect fit to terrible fit. Jeff Green also went from terrible team to very solid team when traded from Boston to Memphis which is in the direct opposite direction as a Boston-Phill move.

Jared Sullinger got hurt...

So this leaves Marcus Thornton.  He left a terrible Celtics team to go to a similarly bad Suns team. Difference is, Thornton (I believe) was there for salary matching purposes. As an expiring veteran Phoenix never had any plans on involving Thornton. The deadline deals they made were with 2 objectives: 1 clean up their point guard mess. 2 make a push for the lotto which was known to be deep at the time (Boston faced a similar 8 seed vs. pick 12 dilemma).

Rozier Brown and Smart are all young perimeter players with 2, 3, and 4 years (including this one) left on their contracts. Considering Philly is desperate for perimeter players they would not be thrown to the back with Marcus Thornton.

So for for the 100th time in response to an LB post, I will remind you, CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS.
if he really did what you are saying with lee and rondo that is not cool. I just accept numbers when people post yhem
yup.

David Lee played 30 games with us in 15/16 averaging 7.1/4.3 He played 25 games for Dallas that season averaging 8.5/7. This year through 13 games hes put up 6.1/4.5.

In 14/15 Rondo averaged 8(not 12 @LB) and 11 with us then 9 and 6.5 with Dallas. The next year, he put up 12 and 12 in Sacramento.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2016, 05:03:19 PM »

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Smart is playing 32 mpg here, he wouldn't be playing much more than that (if at all) in Philly, and while he might get an extra shot here or there, his percentage isn't going to magically increase playing on a worse team, so I'd say he will still be in the 10-12 range he is at right now. 

Similarly, I don't foresee Rozier or Brown getting many more minutes than already do as I believe Rodriguez and Covington would still start and play around the minutes they do.  I also think Bayless would be ahead of Rozier on the depth chart so when he is back Rozier would get even less minutes.  So let's say Brown 6-8 like now and Rozier 5-7 also like now.
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Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2016, 05:07:02 PM »

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Smart is playing 32 mpg here, he wouldn't be playing much more than that (if at all) in Philly, and while he might get an extra shot here or there, his percentage isn't going to magically increase playing on a worse team, so I'd say he will still be in the 10-12 range he is at right now. 

Similarly, I don't foresee Rozier or Brown getting many more minutes than already do as I believe Rodriguez and Covington would still start and play around the minutes they do.  I also think Bayless would be ahead of Rozier on the depth chart so when he is back Rozier would get even less minutes.  So let's say Brown 6-8 like now and Rozier 5-7 also like now.

It seems like they may be starting to sour on Covington. He has been absolutely brutal this season and only getting worse. It would be bizarre to play him over Brown on a rebuilding team looking to get a top draft pick. Covington is also about to turn 26 and is not part of a long term rebuild. Surely this is said in jest.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2016, 05:27:44 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.
Crawford was on the Celtics in Brads first season. That was a bottom 5 team and a far cry from todays squad.

You also bend numbers to fit your narrative. For example Rondo and Lee were both traded/dropped midseason. For the rest of that season Rondo's numbers went down, Lees went up. The next year, Lees went down, Rondos went up. For Lee you included his stats from the next season and Rondo from the rest of the season.

Interestingly enough Rondos stats went down while on the playoff bound mavs, then up once on the bottom dwelling kings.

Lees stats went up while on the 7 seeded Mavs and down on the 10-3 Spurs.

Further number bending with Humphries. First, he was only on Boston when we were a bottom 5 team, second you dont mention that his numbers stayed the same the next season. It was only in 15/16 when he bounced from team to team that his numbers plummeted. Not sure what to draw from that but the point is that 13-14 Boston is way way different from 16-17 Boston.


Evan Turner went from perfect fit to terrible fit. Jeff Green also went from terrible team to very solid team when traded from Boston to Memphis which is in the direct opposite direction as a Boston-Phill move.

Jared Sullinger got hurt...

So this leaves Marcus Thornton.  He left a terrible Celtics team to go to a similarly bad Suns team. Difference is, Thornton (I believe) was there for salary matching purposes. As an expiring veteran Phoenix never had any plans on involving Thornton. The deadline deals they made were with 2 objectives: 1 clean up their point guard mess. 2 make a push for the lotto which was known to be deep at the time (Boston faced a similar 8 seed vs. pick 12 dilemma).

Rozier Brown and Smart are all young perimeter players with 2, 3, and 4 years (including this one) left on their contracts. Considering Philly is desperate for perimeter players they would not be thrown to the back with Marcus Thornton.

So for for the 100th time in response to an LB post, I will remind you, CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS.
if he really did what you are saying with lee and rondo that is not cool. I just accept numbers when people post yhem
yup.

David Lee played 30 games with us in 15/16 averaging 7.1/4.3 He played 25 games for Dallas that season averaging 8.5/7. This year through 13 games hes put up 6.1/4.5.

In 14/15 Rondo averaged 8(not 12 @LB) and 11 with us then 9 and 6.5 with Dallas. The next year, he put up 12 and 12 in Sacramento.
LarBrd does that with every post.  He bends everything to fit his narrative and hopes no one notices.  Oh and don't forget Courtney Lee whom after leaving the C's (who were sitting on his face) did quite well in Memphis, Charlotte and now N.Y.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2016, 05:33:43 PM »

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You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.
Crawford was on the Celtics in Brads first season. That was a bottom 5 team and a far cry from todays squad.

You also bend numbers to fit your narrative. For example Rondo and Lee were both traded/dropped midseason. For the rest of that season Rondo's numbers went down, Lees went up. The next year, Lees went down, Rondos went up. For Lee you included his stats from the next season and Rondo from the rest of the season.

Interestingly enough Rondos stats went down while on the playoff bound mavs, then up once on the bottom dwelling kings.

Lees stats went up while on the 7 seeded Mavs and down on the 10-3 Spurs.

Further number bending with Humphries. First, he was only on Boston when we were a bottom 5 team, second you dont mention that his numbers stayed the same the next season. It was only in 15/16 when he bounced from team to team that his numbers plummeted. Not sure what to draw from that but the point is that 13-14 Boston is way way different from 16-17 Boston.


Evan Turner went from perfect fit to terrible fit. Jeff Green also went from terrible team to very solid team when traded from Boston to Memphis which is in the direct opposite direction as a Boston-Phill move.

Jared Sullinger got hurt...

So this leaves Marcus Thornton.  He left a terrible Celtics team to go to a similarly bad Suns team. Difference is, Thornton (I believe) was there for salary matching purposes. As an expiring veteran Phoenix never had any plans on involving Thornton. The deadline deals they made were with 2 objectives: 1 clean up their point guard mess. 2 make a push for the lotto which was known to be deep at the time (Boston faced a similar 8 seed vs. pick 12 dilemma).

Rozier Brown and Smart are all young perimeter players with 2, 3, and 4 years (including this one) left on their contracts. Considering Philly is desperate for perimeter players they would not be thrown to the back with Marcus Thornton.

So for for the 100th time in response to an LB post, I will remind you, CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS.
if he really did what you are saying with lee and rondo that is not cool. I just accept numbers when people post yhem
yup.

David Lee played 30 games with us in 15/16 averaging 7.1/4.3 He played 25 games for Dallas that season averaging 8.5/7. This year through 13 games hes put up 6.1/4.5.

In 14/15 Rondo averaged 8(not 12 @LB) and 11 with us then 9 and 6.5 with Dallas. The next year, he put up 12 and 12 in Sacramento.
LarBrd does that with every post.  He bends everything to fit his narrative and hopes no one notices.  Oh and don't forget Courtney Lee whom after leaving the C's (who were sitting on his face) did quite well in Memphis, Charlotte and now N.Y.

I'll defend him on a decent amount of things, but if he is intentionally supplying false statistics that is disappointing. I would like to assume it was just an honest mistake.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2016, 05:41:32 PM »

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Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2016, 05:48:06 PM »

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Smart is playing 32 mpg here, he wouldn't be playing much more than that (if at all) in Philly, and while he might get an extra shot here or there, his percentage isn't going to magically increase playing on a worse team, so I'd say he will still be in the 10-12 range he is at right now. 

Similarly, I don't foresee Rozier or Brown getting many more minutes than already do as I believe Rodriguez and Covington would still start and play around the minutes they do.  I also think Bayless would be ahead of Rozier on the depth chart so when he is back Rozier would get even less minutes.  So let's say Brown 6-8 like now and Rozier 5-7 also like now.
It's a cute thought experiment, but it's flawed.  It's based on the premise that our team is so great that our bench players would flourish on a bad team.  I get it.  I understand why this thread was created.   If we considered the hypothetical realistically, though, it's not how most here are flippantly imagining. 

I should clarify that I'm approaching this from the perspective of what a fully healthy Philly team looks like.  I'm not talking about Philly the past two years that was literally starting D-League players and intentionally trying to lose games.   Those days are essentially over.  While they have struggled, they have some competent players on that team now.  I'm looking at this from the perspective of a team built around the offense of their bigs (Embiid and Okafor), with Ben Simmons projected to be their primary ball-handler.   That team requires shooting to spread the floor.  It's why a defense-first SF like Convington is potentially on the verge of losing his minutes to a flaming hot shooter Nik Stauskas ( http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/11/21/should-nik-stauskas-be-starting-over-robert-covington/ )...

We're not talking about a team that was starting unknown undrafted scrubs.  This is a team that has some decent vets now between Ilysolva, Gerald Henderson, Sergio Rodriguez and eventually Jerryd Bayless (coming off a great shooting season).   What that team needs, Marcus does not provide.   He's shooting historically bad percentages.  While his defense is great, a team with dominant low-post players and a ball-dominating forward who can't shoot (Simmons) does not need a guard with historically bad offense.

So, I'd say Marcus would come off the bench in Philly and average less than the 32mpg he's been averaging here.   Marcus has the luxury of playing alongside several players who can shoot.  In Philly, he's a liability. 

Jaylen's efficiency is high because he's picking and choosing his spots and only taking wide open attempts, dunks and drives.  His FG% is really solid at the moment 46%/35%/63%... that wouldn't happen on Philly.  He's proven in College, Summerleague and Pre-season that he's a sub 40% shooter and he'd struggle to be effective in that lineup.  Also, playing in Philly would likely stunt his development ... as he's a decent prospect with a theoretical high ceiling, because he's playing in this winning culture with a quality coaching staff and excellent players like Jae Crowder to go head to head with daily.  Stick him on a team like the Kings, Philly, Suns, etc and Jaylen's ceiling drops dramatically.

The only player I think could actually contribute off the bat is Terry Rozier.  Right now he's buried behind several guards (Bradley, Thomas, Smart).  He's shooting 41% and a very encouraging 45% from three.  That's the kind of shooting Philly needs.  Before the Detroit dud, he had a game where he posted career highs in points (11), rebounds (7) and assists (5).   It's ridiculous to imagine him suddenly averaging 15 and 8 on another team, but I will say that if he could continue his effective shooting he'd quickly find a role.  He'd start as being behind Rodriguez and Bayless on the depth chart, but could find himself with a quicker path to the starting lineup if he played well enough.   If your expectations is that he'd immediately start, you're wrong.   He'd have to earn his spot.  He's getting 19.5 minutes in Boston.  MAYBE he'd get that right away on Philly.  He'd probably take a big chunk of TJ McConnell's minutes (currently averaging 19.8 off the bench).  But keep in mind that McConnell is only averaging 19.8 because Bayless hasn't played a game yet.  Bayless is projected to start for them.   Beyond that it just depends how he fit alongside the rest of those players.

The opposite is just as likely to happen.   There are players on Philly who would fit much better in this system with this supporting cast.  Okafor and Noel, for instance, are two players I think could post better stats in Boston than either posts on that Philly team.  I'm not alone in believing this.  Respectable NBA analysts have said as much... stick Noel on a team with competent teammates and he'll probably look much better.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2016, 06:33:59 PM »

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So, I'd say Marcus would come off the bench in Philly and average less than the 32mpg he's been averaging here.   Marcus has the luxury of playing alongside several players who can shoot.  In Philly, he's a liability. 

Can you please elaborate on how Sergio Rodriguez, a 34.7% fg /25.9% 3pt shooter is a better player to start than Smart? I'm not seeing it in even in an offense only game, where no defensive ability is even considered.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2016, 06:45:34 PM »

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So, I'd say Marcus would come off the bench in Philly and average less than the 32mpg he's been averaging here.   Marcus has the luxury of playing alongside several players who can shoot.  In Philly, he's a liability. 

Can you please elaborate on how Sergio Rodriguez, a 34.7% fg /25.9% 3pt shooter is a better player to start than Smart? I'm not seeing it in even in an offense only game, where no defensive ability is even considered.
Rodriguez isn't going to start either.

Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2016, 01:07:06 AM »

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Smart-25
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Re: How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2016, 01:54:09 AM »

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those minutes seem about right.