How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?

[TrueFan]

This is kind of a silly what if question but it's fun to speculate.

How many ppg would Brown, Smart and Roz avg on Sixers?

My guesses are:

Brown - 12-14 points.
Roz - 15 points
Smart - 14-17 points

Brown and Roz benefit from consistent playing time. Smart benefits from more freedom to look for his offense.

[crimson_stallion]

I'll try to use a somewhat scientific method to estimate thise, using Ish Smith as my subjet.

In the last two seasons, Ish Smith has played a total of 90 games for the Pelicans, the Sixers and the Pistons.   

In 40 games played for the Pelicans and Pistons he has averaged:
- 25.05 Minutes Per Game
- 9.1 Points Per Game
- 13.08 Points Per 36 Minutes 

In 50 games played for the 76ers he averaged
- 32.44 Minutes Per Game (+29.5%)
- 14.66 Points Per Game (+61.1%)
- 16.27 Points Per 36 Minutes  (+24.4%)

Since Rozier and Brown are both playing on a deep team where minutes are hard to get a hold off, I'll Ish Smith's minutes average in Philly (32 MPG) as an estimate of playing time.

So basically we calculate Point Per 32 minutes and then add 24.4% on top to simulate the increased touches that would potentially be there in Philly.   

This gives me the following:
* Marcus Smart - 14.2 PPG
* Terry Rozier - 13.5 PPG
* Jaylen Brown - 16.3 PPG

Pretty darn close to what TrueFan has estimated above actually!

I'd say these are pretty modest numbers since Boston is a much deeper team then the Pelicans or the Pistons, so the opportunities would probably increase more for out guys (going from Boston to Philly) then for Ish Smith (going from NO / Detroit to Philly).

I actually think Rozier would benefit the most from a move to Philly production-wise, because out of the three he seems to be the one who is most shy about shooting the ball (seemingly trying a bit too hard to be seen as a team player among all the Celtics vets).  I think that mentality would change if he was playing in Philly, where you pretty much have nothing to lose so he's probably have no hesitation taking shots.

On the other hand Brown and Smart already look pretty comfortable shooting the ball here, so I imagine their playing styles wouldn't change much in the move.

[LarBrd33]

Less than they average on the Celtics. Their shooting percentage are arbitrarily high by playing with real talent.

[LarBrd33]

You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.

[GRADYCOLNON]

I'd expect an increase in scoring and drop off in efficiency.  Considering they would be main focus of the opposing team.  But they would definitely be asked to be playmakers and scorers which they currently are not

[alldaboston]

You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.

lol what? Every single one of those players on those Celtics teams played a significant role in the offense (except maybe Lee and Hump). Regardless, they were all getting major minutes here. Not every team will depend on Steez to be starting point guard. Not every team wants Jeff Green to be a primary scoring option. Not every team is a good fit for Rondo. Hell, Bass went to the [dang] lakers, didn't he? In the midst of their development and youth movement, did you actually expect his stats to go up? Same with Thornton. Lots of those players simply played a different role for their new team, and were used excessively here because we had no one better. In many ways, the only reason you see a drop off was because their stats were inflated thanks to the role they played for that team.

Rozier and Brown would definitely be one of the major pieces and offensive players on the Sixers. They would all definitely do much better than they would here. They don't play a big role here on offense. Do you genuinely think Brad is getting "the most" out of Rozier and Brown right now? Smart would do about the same in my opinion.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

All of them

[LarBrd33]

You think I'm joking, but is there a single player who has seen his production increase by leaving Boston?

Brandon Bass went from averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds to averaging 4.4 points and 2 rebounds.   

Evan Turner went from averaging 11 points, 5 assists to 7.1 points and 2.5 assists.   

Jordan crawford went from averaging 14 points and 6 assists to averaging 8.4 points and 1.4 assists. 

Rajon Rondo went from averaging 12 points, 11 assists in Boston to 9 points, 6.5 assists in Dallas.   

Jared Sullinger went from averaging 10.3 points and 8.3 rebounds to 0 points and 0 rebounds.   

David Lee went from averaging 7.1 points in Boston to 6.1 points in San Antonio.   

Jeff Green went from averaging 17.6 points and 4.3 rebounds to 7.8 points and 3.3 rebounds in Orlando.   

Marcus Thornton went from averaging 8.9 points in Boston to 3.6 points on the SUns. 

Kris Humphries went from averaging 8.4 points, 5.9 rebounds in Boston to 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds in Atlanta.

Don't fool yourself in believing that their stats are low because they are playing on this team.  Brad Stevens gets the most out of his players.  Based on my "scientific method", I'd guess that Rozier would average 3 points and 1 assist.   Jaylen would average 4 points and 1 rebound.  And Marcus Smart would average 5 points and 2 rebounds while shooting 20% from the field.

lol what? Every single one of those players on those Celtics teams played a significant role in the offense (except maybe Lee and Hump). Regardless, they were all getting major minutes here. Not every team will depend on Steez to be starting point guard. Not every team wants Jeff Green to be a primary scoring option. Not every team is a good fit for Rondo. Hell, Bass went to the [dang] lakers, didn't he? In the midst of their development and youth movement, did you actually expect his stats to go up? Same with Thornton. Lots of those players simply played a different role for their new team, and were used excessively here because we had no one better. In many ways, the only reason you see a drop off was because their stats were inflated thanks to the role they played for that team.

Rozier and Brown would definitely be one of the major pieces and offensive players on the Sixers. They would all definitely do much better than they would here. They don't play a big role here on offense. Do you genuinely think Brad is getting "the most" out of Rozier and Brown right now? Smart would do about the same in my opinion.

Doubt they'd be significant pieces to the 76ers offense right now.  And yes, Brad is getting the most he can out of them right now.   Their numbers would go down if they played on that team.  Might even spend time in D-League.

[CroCorvus]

Last night Embiid scored 26 in 20 min of play, so it really seems he is their main scoring option on offense.
They got perfect playmaker in Rodriguez who does not take many shots but only rebounds and assists (classis european play), so if you install Rozier in there he surely takes more shots and I'll say Terry on that Sixers roster averages 15 ppg, 8a and 6r in 30 mpg. Smart is not and will never be pure scorer on NBA team, not even on this Sixers team, so he goes for 12ppg, 5r and 4, as he is better player then Henederson. Brown would probably go off the bench but playing significant more minutes then now, about 20-22 mpg and averages 10ppg and 4rbs. Starting lineup: Rozier, Smart, Covington, Noel and Embiid.

[tazzmaniac]

Rozier wouldn't start over Rodriguez.  He'd probably take McConnell's spot but not even sure about that because Rozier hasn't shown the ability to run even a 2nd team offense.  McConnell and Rozier are averaging about the same minutes but McConnell takes fewer shots and gets a lot more assists.  When Bayless comes back, Rozier would be relegated to 3rd PG. 

Brown wouldn't start over Covington.  I think he'd be coming off the bench getting roughly the same amount of minutes as he has for us so far.  His shooting would be a detriment but he'd probably get consistent minutes although Luwawu is only getting 5mpg. 

Smart is averaging 32mpg for us.  I'm not sure he'd get that much playing time for the Sixers.  His poor shooting would be a significant detriment to them.  Rodriguez's shooting is even worse so a Rodriguez/Smart backcourt doesn't seem feasible.   

So I don't think any of the three would be doing that much better or getting significantly more playing time on this year's Sixers.  The Sixers are no longer a D-league team trying to tank. 

[Who]

Rozier = 17ppg
Smart = 12-13ppg
Jaylen = 7-8ppg

Rozier would be getting 30+ minutes as a starting PG.
Smart would be playing 28-33mpg mostly as a starting SG.
Jaylen would still be playing backup minutes. Probably around 18-20mpg.

[Csfan1984]

Smart=18
Rozier=16
Brown=18

They would not be able to average more than that because 76ers are still in tank mode and would pull them out the game.

[BitterJim]

Last night Embiid scored 26 in 20 min of play, so it really seems he is their main scoring option on offense.
They got perfect playmaker in Rodriguez who does not take many shots but only rebounds and assists (classis european play), so if you install Rozier in there he surely takes more shots and I'll say Terry on that Sixers roster averages 15 ppg, 8a and 6r in 30 mpg. Smart is not and will never be pure scorer on NBA team, not even on this Sixers team, so he goes for 12ppg, 5r and 4, as he is better player then Henederson. Brown would probably go off the bench but playing significant more minutes then now, about 20-22 mpg and averages 10ppg and 4rbs. Starting lineup: Rozier, Smart, Covington, Noel and Embiid.

There are only 5 players this season that average 8 or more assists per game. Rozier is nowhere near a good enough facilitator to join that group, especially not while playing on a team with players that will struggle to hit shots

[LarBrd33]

Thread is delusional.  Rozier's career high is 11 points but somehow he'd average 15 and 8 on a new team despite the fact every Celtic who leaves this team sees their stats plummet.  Riiiight.   

None of these guys would average significantly more on a healthy sixers team. Though I guess it depends on who they are traded for.  Presumably Jaylen would be moved for Robert Covington and would likely get lots of minutes but see his efficiency bottom out.  Smart would struggle to get minutes there because they need players who can spread the floor for their bigs and he does the opposite right now.

[moiso]

Smart and Rozier would definitely see their ppg increase on the Sixers.   They'd get all the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s they want.  Rozier is at least a 15ppg player on that team.  The guy is a scorer.  On the Celtics everyone plays his role and fits in with the scheme.  On the Sixers it's everyone for themselves.  Wouldn't expect assists to skyrocket however.