What if the end game is Smart Brown 2017 and 18 pick

[TrueFan]

Ainge might think we aren't in a position to win now unless a very favorable trade happens. If we lose both the Nets picks and a key player or two to get Cousins are we good enough to beat the Cavs because if we aren't we are pretty much stuck going that route. We lose our trade chips and we might be stuck with IT, Cousins and Horford as the main players. That team would be good enough to put a charge against the Cavs but it wouldnt even have a top 10 player on the roster. It's hard to win an NBA championship without a top 3 player. If we trade AB, Crowder and a pick for Klay are we good enough to make a charge at the Cavs or is that trade a sideways trade? We lose a potential stud from the 2017 draft and guys we already like being AB and Crowder. I think unless we get a very favorable trade that we will probably hold still since our peak team might be 3-4 years from now with Brown, Smart and the two Nets picks.

Either way Ainge has certainly put himself in an interesting position. I think it's why we haven't seen a trade. He's waiting it out unless a trade comes that is very lopsided for us.

So the question is. What if the game plan is 3-4 years from now and AB, IT, Crowder and Horford are just fillers til then? A team we can all get behind to pass the time until Brown Smart and the 2017 and 18 pick develop.

How upset would you be if we don't make that blockbuster trade we've been waiting for?

[TheTruthFot18]

I would be upset BUT the reality is it's out of Danny's hands.

He did the best he could do acquiring assets but the other GM still has to agree in the end.

[flybono]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

[LarBrd33]

hopefully the 2017 and 2018 picks end up decent players.  The Nets are undefeated in games Jeremy Lin plays and Brook Lopez gets 25+ minutes.

Jury is still out on whether Smart and Jaylen will develop into starter-caliber players.

[alldaboston]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

yeah, i mean, he's only won just about every trade he's done in the past 3 years.

[flybono]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

yeah, i mean, he's only won just about every trade he's done in the past 3 years.

How many playoff wins?

[alldaboston]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

yeah, i mean, he's only won just about every trade he's done in the past 3 years.

How many playoff wins?

not related to the discussion of this thread, but here you go:

0 with a team that shouldnt have even been in the playoffs in the first place. played the cavs very close and lost by an average of around 6 points per game. very impressive for a young team that was picking 6th in the previous year's draft.

2 with a team that lost its best perimeter defender, played a hobbled Jae Crowder, and had an injured Olynyk playing.

Instead of blaming everything on Danny, though, i'd like to hear your proposals. please tell the rest of the forum what you would have done over the past 3 years to do better than how the team has performed over the previous 3 seasons. we are all just dying to know how GM flybono would make this team contenders.

edit: do you just want playoff wins? if so, then that means you're ok with being on the treadmill of mediocrity. the way Danny has constructed this team, he has the chance to compete now, with the opportunity to strike on a deal if the chance comes, and he can also wait it out and have established a young core that can dominate the league for a long time, if everything goes according to plan.

[Bobshot]

The hope would be that Brown could be used as a major trading chip for a Cousins or other major player. I'd rather see Brown traded than Smart, Crowder, IT, or Bradley--the core of the Celtics, along with Horford. You try to keep those guys, and trade everything else, including all those draft picks.

[TrueFan]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

yeah, i mean, he's only won just about every trade he's done in the past 3 years.

How many playoff wins?

not related to the discussion of this thread, but here you go:

0 with a team that shouldnt have even been in the playoffs in the first place. played the cavs very close and lost by an average of around 6 points per game. very impressive for a young team that was picking 6th in the previous year's draft.

2 with a team that lost its best perimeter defender, played a hobbled Jae Crowder, and had an injured Olynyk playing.

Instead of blaming everything on Danny, though, i'd like to hear your proposals. please tell the rest of the forum what you would have done over the past 3 years to do better than how the team has performed over the previous 3 seasons. we are all just dying to know how GM flybono would make this team contenders.

edit: do you just want playoff wins? if so, then that means you're ok with being on the treadmill of mediocrity. the way Danny has constructed this team, he has the chance to compete now, with the opportunity to strike on a deal if the chance comes, and he can also wait it out and have established a young core that can dominate the league for a long time, if everything goes according to plan.

You're right. You can't blame Ainge. He has a tough decision to make on whether to go all in on this group or not.

I'm thinking unless it's a lopsided trade I'm not going to like it.

Jaylen Brown is looking like he could be a star and the 2017 draft is loaded with future stars. Smart is pretty good too.

[TrueFan]

hopefully the 2017 and 2018 picks end up decent players.  The Nets are undefeated in games Jeremy Lin plays and Brook Lopez gets 25+ minutes.

Jury is still out on whether Smart and Jaylen will develop into starter-caliber players.

Im worried also but a lot of the other posters who watch the Nets often seem confident the Nets will bottom out soon with the schedule getting tougher.

[GRADYCOLNON]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

Are you kidding me?

Other teams have been trying to pull fast ones on us because we are the cash cows.  Danny is just waiting for another team to be just as vulnerable because we don't have any leverage besides turning trades down.

[GRADYCOLNON]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

yeah, i mean, he's only won just about every trade he's done in the past 3 years.

How many playoff wins?

not related to the discussion of this thread, but here you go:

0 with a team that shouldnt have even been in the playoffs in the first place. played the cavs very close and lost by an average of around 6 points per game. very impressive for a young team that was picking 6th in the previous year's draft.

2 with a team that lost its best perimeter defender, played a hobbled Jae Crowder, and had an injured Olynyk playing.

Instead of blaming everything on Danny, though, i'd like to hear your proposals. please tell the rest of the forum what you would have done over the past 3 years to do better than how the team has performed over the previous 3 seasons. we are all just dying to know how GM flybono would make this team contenders.

edit: do you just want playoff wins? if so, then that means you're ok with being on the treadmill of mediocrity. the way Danny has constructed this team, he has the chance to compete now, with the opportunity to strike on a deal if the chance comes, and he can also wait it out and have established a young core that can dominate the league for a long time, if everything goes according to plan.

^++

think about all the other teams that can't even make it to the playoffs (Kings, Wolves, Magic, Lakers etc) since they started their rebuilds. We are pretty lucky that Danny has been able to get a team capable to make the playoffs so quickly

[Surferdad]

A trade negotiation is not "trying to win a trade". A trade should benefit both Teams in the end.

If Ainge is waiting to win a trade, he's in the wrong business.

Are you kidding me?

Other teams have been trying to pull fast ones on us because we are the cash cows.  Danny is just waiting for another team to be just as vulnerable because we don't have any leverage besides turning trades down.

Obviously "winning a trade" is not DA's goal.  Trades that are actually made benefit both teams.  However, I speculate that other GMs are leery of dealing with Ainge because they don't want to make the deal that puts the Celtics over the top, even if it benefits them.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Smart, Brown, 18 pick as end game seems incredibly shortsighted.

[chambers]

That's not being fair at all.
End game if nothing else happens except us drafting the Nets pick at say #4 or #5 would be something like:

*Smart
*Young
*Zeller (locked up cheap)
*Crowder (locked up cheap)
*Brown (Probably our most valuable player asset of all right now)
*17' Nets pick
*18' Nets pick
*Olynyk
*Al Horford signed x 4 years
*Bird rights to IT
*Rozier
*Euro players (Ziz and Yabusle)
*Brad Stevens
*Bird rights to Bradley
*Mickey
*Jackson
*Nader
What else am I missing? Jerebko?