Celtics miss Turner....and vice versa

[LooseCannon]

Across sports, this is one of those things that few players seem to understand.  If you have been a high promise, but average performer all your career, and then you find a coach and team where you are highly successful, STAY THERE.  It almost never works out on the court/field.  Look at all the guys that the Pats have not resigned or just traded away when a player decides they are more important than the system.  Have any of those guys achieved individual success away from the team?  And I'm always surprised that GMs on other teams continue to make this mistake and trade for or sign these guys and overpay for them.

Yes, Turner got a bigger contact from Portland than he could have gotten in Boston, but he also might have ended his career if he doesn't live up to that contract there.  If he had resigned for less in Boston, where he knew he fit the system and team, he might have earned less in this contract, but probably would maintain his value, barring injury, for his next contract as well.

Turner was a below average performer his entire career and jumped at the chance to take a contract that paid him like an above average performer, money that he might not get for his entire career if he stayed in Boston.  The dollar amount and contract length were just so much more that he would have been stupid to turn it down, when the alternative offer might be something like $10 million/year for two years with the second year unguaranteed.  If the Celtics had been able to sign Durant, then maybe he can only re-sign for the room exception at most and the Portland offer would have disappeared as they moved on to another target.

If it's only a few million dollars difference, it makes sense to consider the situation, but the difference here was potentially more money that Turner had made to that point in his career.  This is like Greg Popovich telling Boban Marjanovic to not be an idiot and take the money from Detroit.

[kozlodoev]

I loved having Turner but the price just wasn't right. He strikes me as a system player, so it sucks he just ended up in the wrong situation.

[JumpingJudkins]

I don't miss Turner and certainly not surprised what's happening in Portland now that he doesn't have the ball in his hands every possession.

I don't think the C's miss him either. Having him here would just take minutes away from Smart, Rozier and Brown (and Young?) and I think that would have been counterproductive in so many ways.

Really loved this line: "His plus-minus rating of minus-110 is also 35 points behind the second-lowest rating in the league"

[GreenWarrior]

turner was just looking to get paid apparently. anyone could see he wasn't going to be successful in Portland because there's only one ball, which tells us he didn't care either way.

it's too bad too this place was a perfect fit and we could really use him this year for so many reasons. one big one is the fact he can play multiple positions, which would be nice for a team with a lot of injuries early on.

[SHAQATTACK]

Everybody and their grandmother knew it was a poor fit for him.  But .....70m overrides that to Turners benefit.

[feckless]

I was as big a ET fan as there is on this blog--he was fun, exciting and added to the team's intensity--something IT pointed out that we have missed sometimes this year.  But with that said Portland overpaid him, I can't really blame him for taking the pay day but I miss his game some nights.

[tankcity!]

Oh god. I think this team can win 48 games at the worst. Seriously. Get over Turner. I really don't get the love for him. Smart handling the ball is better for the Celtics.

[chiken Green]

Not really sure where We miss Turner at on the court.. The team with a win tonight is on pace for 48 wins (with 3 significant players missing major time)  and they are averaging more points..

His production has been replaced fairly easy in my opinion.

[MJohnnyboy]

Yeah Imma echo what everyone else said. I liked Turner but he was going to get paid and it wasn't going to be by Boston. It's just a shame that so far it looks like he went to the wrong team. I also think we wanted to see what Smart could do once he had the ball in his hands running the offense because so far it looks like Turner may have held him back.

I wish him all the best though.

[LarBrd33]

let's not judge the team sans Crowder/Horford and claim the early "struggles" are the result of Turner being gone.

I was a big supporter of Turner when he was here.  He was an underrated and huge part of what we did.  But this team started 5-4 last year.  It started 3-6 the year before.   Brad notoriously tinkers and experiments during the first part of the season and then finds a groove as his data comes in.  That we have matched the start we had last year (when we won 48 games) despite the fact Crowder and Horford were both out during our 3 game losing streak... tells me we're going to be more than fine this year.  This team will be really really good.

[Big333223]

I'm going to say Turner going to Portland was actually a win-win.

Turner probably maxed out his effectiveness as an NBA player here and Boston and used that strong performance to get a giant payday. Even if he never plays as well as he did here again, he'll be set for life. Heck, his grandkids will be set for life if he wants. I call that a win.

On the Boston side, the C's didn't have to overpay for someone who was terrific for the team but still had some big deficiencies in his game and it opened the roster for Smart to get more responsibility and Rozier to get more minutes, which each need to continue to grow. That's a win.

[mctyson]

And trust me if the season keeps going badly for Turner and the Blazers, the other guys on the Celtics who are up soon will take notice.

[MBunge]

Across sports, this is one of those things that few players seem to understand.  If you have been a high promise, but average performer all your career, and then you find a coach and team where you are highly successful, STAY THERE.  It almost never works out on the court/field.  Look at all the guys that the Pats have not resigned or just traded away when a player decides they are more important than the system.  Have any of those guys achieved individual success away from the team?  And I'm always surprised that GMs on other teams continue to make this mistake and trade for or sign these guys and overpay for them.

Yes, Turner got a bigger contact from Portland than he could have gotten in Boston, but he also might have ended his career if he doesn't live up to that contract there.  If he had resigned for less in Boston, where he knew he fit the system and team, he might have earned less in this contract, but probably would maintain his value, barring injury, for his next contract as well.

Turner was a below average performer his entire career and jumped at the chance to take a contract that paid him like an above average performer, money that he might not get for his entire career if he stayed in Boston.  The dollar amount and contract length were just so much more that he would have been stupid to turn it down, when the alternative offer might be something like $10 million/year for two years with the second year unguaranteed.  If the Celtics had been able to sign Durant, then maybe he can only re-sign for the room exception at most and the Portland offer would have disappeared as they moved on to another target.

If it's only a few million dollars difference, it makes sense to consider the situation, but the difference here was potentially more money that Turner had made to that point in his career.  This is like Greg Popovich telling Boban Marjanovic to not be an idiot and take the money from Detroit.

Even if he didn't want to leave or that it wouldn't work out in Portland, ET had to the offer.  He's 28 years old and went from his rookie deal to a relatively bargain basement offer from Boston.  This was the only chance he was ever going to have to make this kind of money and turning it down would have likely cost him 30 or 40 million at least.

Mike

[GreenWarrior]

Across sports, this is one of those things that few players seem to understand.  If you have been a high promise, but average performer all your career, and then you find a coach and team where you are highly successful, STAY THERE.  It almost never works out on the court/field.  Look at all the guys that the Pats have not resigned or just traded away when a player decides they are more important than the system.  Have any of those guys achieved individual success away from the team?  And I'm always surprised that GMs on other teams continue to make this mistake and trade for or sign these guys and overpay for them.

Yes, Turner got a bigger contact from Portland than he could have gotten in Boston, but he also might have ended his career if he doesn't live up to that contract there.  If he had resigned for less in Boston, where he knew he fit the system and team, he might have earned less in this contract, but probably would maintain his value, barring injury, for his next contract as well.

Turner was a below average performer his entire career and jumped at the chance to take a contract that paid him like an above average performer, money that he might not get for his entire career if he stayed in Boston.  The dollar amount and contract length were just so much more that he would have been stupid to turn it down, when the alternative offer might be something like $10 million/year for two years with the second year unguaranteed.  If the Celtics had been able to sign Durant, then maybe he can only re-sign for the room exception at most and the Portland offer would have disappeared as they moved on to another target.

If it's only a few million dollars difference, it makes sense to consider the situation, but the difference here was potentially more money that Turner had made to that point in his career.  This is like Greg Popovich telling Boban Marjanovic to not be an idiot and take the money from Detroit.

Even if he didn't want to leave or that it wouldn't work out in Portland, ET had to the offer.  He's 28 years old and went from his rookie deal to a relatively bargain basement offer from Boston.  This was the only chance he was ever going to have to make this kind of money and turning it down would have likely cost him 30 or 40 million at least.

Mike

exactly! this was his only opportunity to make that money. we did the right thing in not re-signing him. imo though we need a better PG than Rozier to replace Turner's abilities... if it's not Smart. personally the loss of Turner won't truly be realized till the playoffs, where the things Rozier can't do will be exposed.

[Alleyoopster]

Maybe it's not Turner's fault. "Turner finished the night with just two points, four boards, and two dimes on four shot attempts in 22 minutes, while the Lillard-McCollum tandem took 43 shots combined."
Could be Turner is playing with ball hogs who are shooting well. Plus, the team is winning. So, the coach lets them do their thing. Once they start losing, the coach will find a way to work him into the system. Or, he'll get to shine when either Lillard or McCollum get injured. I wouldn't be losing too much sleep if someone paid me $18 million/year to score 4 points a game.