Was 2016 a Pathetic Draft Class?

[celticsclay]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

Yeah I agree.  Looks like a historically bad draft class so far.  If it continued, a guy averaging 4 points would be the best player in the draft class.  Lol.  Thank god for Embiid (class of 2014) carrying this crop of rookies.  Nobody even remotely close so far.  Maybe Saric.

Historically bad lol... pretty sure the best player will be better than oladipo or Kenyon Martin. Good hyperbole though

So far, nobody in this draft class (excluding the great Joel Embiid) can carry rookie Oladipo or rookie Kenyon Martin's jock. 

Compare what Dunn is doing (4 points and 4 assists) to rookie Oladipo:  (14 points, 4.1 assists, 4.1 rebounds, 1.6 steals)....  or Rookie Kenyon Martin:  (12 points, 7.4 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and 1 steal) ... not even remotely close.

Simmons isn't playing yet and those guys can't hold his jock. /thread

[tazzmaniac]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

So now you're playing the silly thread card after getting on to me for saying your "inconsequential trade" thread was silly because it was premature.

I've said it is kind of funny we discussed a trade for 3 years that at the end of the day is not alternating the landscape of the NBA. How that relates to trying to rank an entire rookie class after 9 games is beyond me. Nice try though

Has there been a trade that alternated the landscape of the NBA since us getting KG? 

You're the one that's brought up the MCW trade as much as anyone.  In May, you started a thread asking if the MCW trade was a bad one. Now you started this thread about the MCW trade being inconsequential.   I guess you're making progress.  In another year or so, you may be ready to admit that it was a good trade for the Sixers. 

[celticsclay]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

So now you're playing the silly thread card after getting on to me for saying your "inconsequential trade" thread was silly because it was premature.

I've said it is kind of funny we discussed a trade for 3 years that at the end of the day is not alternating the landscape of the NBA. How that relates to trying to rank an entire rookie class after 9 games is beyond me. Nice try though

Has there been a trade that alternated the landscape of the NBA since us getting KG? 

You're the one that's brought up the MCW trade as much as anyone.  In May, you started a thread asking if the MCW trade was a bad one. Now you started this thread about the MCW trade being inconsequential.   I guess you're making progress.  In another year or so, you may be ready to admit that it was a good trade for the Sixers.

I already said it was a good trade for the 76ers trade in the other thread. I would suggest you stop hijacking this thread with this inaccurate nonsense. This about the rookie class. Chasing me around different threads with this is not good for anyone.

[hwangjini_1]

Boy, this thread down hill in a hurry. And it wasn't all that good to with. 

[PhoSita]

Was it silly to ask such a question about an entire draft class less than a month into that draft class's first NBA season?

Yes.

[Csfan1984]

I think a big issue is these rookies aren't ready yet. By end of season they will look good.

[Eddie20]

So this is basically a fantasy basketball thread.

[BitterJim]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

So now you're playing the silly thread card after getting on to me for saying your "inconsequential trade" thread was silly because it was premature.

I've said it is kind of funny we discussed a trade for 3 years that at the end of the day is not alternating the landscape of the NBA. How that relates to trying to rank an entire rookie class after 9 games is beyond me. Nice try though

Has there been a trade that alternated the landscape of the NBA since us getting KG? 

You're the one that's brought up the MCW trade as much as anyone.  In May, you started a thread asking if the MCW trade was a bad one. Now you started this thread about the MCW trade being inconsequential.   I guess you're making progress.  In another year or so, you may be ready to admit that it was a good trade for the Sixers.

Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and Kevin Love trades all ring a bell

[green_bballers13]

Yeah waayyy to early to judge. Jaylen Brown and Ingram look like NBA players. Hield and Bender have a ways to go. I think Domantas and Poeltl become solid role players that get 20+ minutes. I think Chriss and Bender don't materialize.

I think the legit NBA players from this draft are: Simmons, Ingram, Brown, Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, and Dejounte Murray. Not a great draft, but not the worst.

[nickagneta]

In the first couple years raw stats simply tell nothing about a player. To call a draft class pathetic after less than ten games into their careers is just ridiculous. To do it by any statistical measure is even worse.

Rookies dont get minutes, hence an opportunity to hang raw stats, unless they are on bad teams. You have to do a lot of eye test stuff their first couple seasons: shooting form, ability to run plays and play within a defense, effort, passing ability, rebounding ability, etc. I personally wouldn't start judging players on raw or advanced stats until their third year. It is only then that rookies will show their total true potential and you have a big enough sample size to judge in a developed player to use stats to judge them

Just my opinion

[tazzmaniac]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

So now you're playing the silly thread card after getting on to me for saying your "inconsequential trade" thread was silly because it was premature.

I've said it is kind of funny we discussed a trade for 3 years that at the end of the day is not alternating the landscape of the NBA. How that relates to trying to rank an entire rookie class after 9 games is beyond me. Nice try though

Has there been a trade that alternated the landscape of the NBA since us getting KG? 

You're the one that's brought up the MCW trade as much as anyone.  In May, you started a thread asking if the MCW trade was a bad one. Now you started this thread about the MCW trade being inconsequential.   I guess you're making progress.  In another year or so, you may be ready to admit that it was a good trade for the Sixers.

Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and Kevin Love trades all ring a bell

Don't see how any of those trades altered the NBA landscape.  The Clippers haven't even made it to the conference finals.  Howard going to the Lakers was a bust.  With Lebron, the Cavs would have been a championship contender regardless of the Love trade. 

[celticsclay]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

So now you're playing the silly thread card after getting on to me for saying your "inconsequential trade" thread was silly because it was premature.

I've said it is kind of funny we discussed a trade for 3 years that at the end of the day is not alternating the landscape of the NBA. How that relates to trying to rank an entire rookie class after 9 games is beyond me. Nice try though

Has there been a trade that alternated the landscape of the NBA since us getting KG? 

You're the one that's brought up the MCW trade as much as anyone.  In May, you started a thread asking if the MCW trade was a bad one. Now you started this thread about the MCW trade being inconsequential.   I guess you're making progress.  In another year or so, you may be ready to admit that it was a good trade for the Sixers.

Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and Kevin Love trades all ring a bell

Don't see how any of those trades altered the NBA landscape.  The Clippers haven't even made it to the conference finals.  Howard going to the Lakers was a bust.  With Lebron, the Cavs would have been a championship contender regardless of the Love trade.

lol. You really must not think very much of Kevin love if you think he wasn't a difference in a 7 game series that went down to the buzzer. Many fans also believe that OKC would have won at least one title if they kept harden. Perhaps Durant is still even there. Honestly your just being negative and argumentative and not really adding anything with these comments. If you don't think a trade is interesting to discuss don't discuss it. Definitely do not come in and tell other people it is worth discussing

[tazzmaniac]

Meh seems like a silly thread 9 games in. Nobody expended bender or criss or brown to be getting major minutes. Simmons has been injured. Heild and Dunn have been ok so far. Not sure what else anyone would expect or why advanced stats are ground breaking here

So now you're playing the silly thread card after getting on to me for saying your "inconsequential trade" thread was silly because it was premature.

I've said it is kind of funny we discussed a trade for 3 years that at the end of the day is not alternating the landscape of the NBA. How that relates to trying to rank an entire rookie class after 9 games is beyond me. Nice try though

Has there been a trade that alternated the landscape of the NBA since us getting KG? 

You're the one that's brought up the MCW trade as much as anyone.  In May, you started a thread asking if the MCW trade was a bad one. Now you started this thread about the MCW trade being inconsequential.   I guess you're making progress.  In another year or so, you may be ready to admit that it was a good trade for the Sixers.

Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and Kevin Love trades all ring a bell

Don't see how any of those trades altered the NBA landscape.  The Clippers haven't even made it to the conference finals.  Howard going to the Lakers was a bust.  With Lebron, the Cavs would have been a championship contender regardless of the Love trade.

lol. You really must not think very much of Kevin love if you think he wasn't a difference in a 7 game series that went down to the buzzer. Many fans also believe that OKC would have won at least one title if they kept harden. Perhaps Durant is still even there. Honestly your just being negative and argumentative and not really adding anything with these comments. If you don't think a trade is interesting to discuss don't discuss it. Definitely do not come in and tell other people it is worth discussing

I think the Cavs would have done just fine with Wiggins instead of Love.  J.R. Smith made more of a difference than Love did in the finals.  "League altering" and "make a difference" are completely different standards.  The KG trade stands out as a "League altering" trade.  Those are quite rare nowadays.  Although I did read an article speculating that with the new CBA trades would become more important and free agency less so. 

The Harden trade wasn't even mentioned and I didn't comment on it.  As I recall, OKC had to trade Harden or Ibaka for financial reasons.  Given that I would have traded Harden too.  With only 1 ball on the court, it is hard to see how Westbrook, Durant and Harden would have coexisted much longer.  OKC remained a contender after the trade.