People realize losing an all-star, a key starter and bench player matters?

[celticsclay]

From the general mood of the forum it seems people are acting like we are not missing 3 of our top 7 players 2 of our top 4. Our healthy bigs have been Amir Johnson and Tyler Zeller. We lost a very solid scorer and great defender in crowder. We are being forced to start a 19 year old rookie who is nowhere ready to be an NBA starter.

If we took Howard, Schroeder and Bazemore off the Hawks how good are they looking?
If we took Derozen and Valuncianas and Joseph off the Raptors how good are they looking?
If we took Butler, Lopez and and Gibson off the bulls they are suddenly a truly awful team getting killed on the boards.

Heck taking Love, Thompson and Smith off the Cavs would even make them look a lot worse.

I really wish we could be more reasonable in understanding how big these injuries are. I am not saying we don't have issues and things we need to improve (even if we were healthy), but these are all players that are coming back soon. Seeing people repeatedly proposing gutting our roster when we haven't played a single game at full strength is pretty disappointing and makes me feel frustrated as a fan.

[LarBrd33]

It hasn't even been 10 games yet.  We're missing our best player (Horford) and possibly our 2nd best two-way player (Crowder) and instead playing bottom of the bench borderline d-leaguers (Zeller and Jaylen Brown) heavy minutes.   You're supposed to lose when you do that.

[celticsclay]

It hasn't even been 10 games yet.  We're missing our best player (Horford) and possibly our 2nd best two-way player (Crowder) and instead playing bottom of the bench borderline d-leaguers (Zeller and Jaylen Brown) heavy minutes.   You're supposed to lose when you do that.

Thanks lb. you get it

[Chris22]

Zeller and Jerebko aren't getting it done, and Amir looks like he's a hundred years old.

[alldaboston]

Multiple TPs coming your way, Clay. I admit, i've been overreacting at times on here, but you're right. you've certainly calmed me down a bit too, as i've gotten a bit frustrated about the team's recent results. so, thanks.

[celticsclay]

Multiple TPs coming your way, Clay. I admit, i've been overreacting at times on here, but you're right. you've certainly calmed me down a bit too, as i've gotten a bit frustrated about the team's recent results. so, thanks.

Hey man I get it (and tp back to you). It has been basically unwatchable basketball and bad losses against bad teams. However, with KO and Horford healthy Zeller will get a lot of DNP's and Jalyen Brown will be playing 15 minutes a game against backups instead of starting and trying to guard Lebron James fresh. I hope we do look a lot better when our guys are back, and think we can, but we need to at least see what these guys can all do together.

[Surferdad]

Yeah, you are right, but what this means is this team's depth was a mirage.  Celtics are not just losing, they are losing big.  Perimeter defense and inside defense has been hideous.  The bench sucks.

Thanks for trying to make me feel better, but it's not working.

[alldaboston]

Multiple TPs coming your way, Clay. I admit, i've been overreacting at times on here, but you're right. you've certainly calmed me down a bit too, as i've gotten a bit frustrated about the team's recent results. so, thanks.

Hey man I get it (and tp back to you). It has been basically unwatchable basketball and bad losses against bad teams. However, with KO and Horford healthy Zeller will get a lot of DNP's and Jalyen Brown will be playing 15 minutes a game against backups instead of starting and trying to guard Lebron James fresh. I hope we do look a lot better when our guys are back, and think we can, but we need to at least see what these guys can all do together.

yep, you're right. i'm still excited to see how this team can play when we get the bad players out of the rotation and are fully healthy. of course, the health is one issue, but the effort level and energy of the players is another. let's hope that, when we're at full health, we are also playing with energy and heart again.

[tazzmaniac]

Funny how quickly things swing around here.  Brown was supposed to be competing for ROY.  Now he's barely above a d-leaguer.  Rozier was supposed to be some hot PG prospect that the Sixers should want to trade Noel for. 

Even healthy, we aren't a true contender but I thought we do well during the regular season because of our depth.  Now I have to question how good our depth really is.  The injuries certainly matter but we're getting blasted by mediocre teams. 

[celticsclay]

Yeah, you are right, but what this means is this team's depth was a mirage.  Celtics are not just losing, they are losing big.  Perimeter defense and inside defense has been hideous.  The bench sucks.

Thanks for trying to make me feel better, but it's not working.

I agree that our depth has been disappointing. Lets remember we have also been missing Smart a few games. I guess it is disappointing that it seems like Jerekbro and Johnson have regressed this year and it is unclear if that is a permanent thing. All that being said, backups and bench vets players are the easiest thing to get in the league. Every year a few teams that enter the season with high hopes (think perhaps Orlando and and Dallas this year from early returns) trade older bench vets or just flat out cut them. Think back to Varejo, Joe Johnson, Ty Lawson, Khris Humphries, our own David Lee etc. Just about all these people would be upgrades over Zeller and Green right now and would push those guys out of the rotation.

[alldaboston]

Funny how quickly things swing around here. Brown was supposed to be competing for ROY.  Now he's barely above a d-leaguer. Rozier was supposed to be some hot PG prospect that the Sixers should want to trade Noel for. 

Even healthy, we aren't a true contender but I thought we do well during the regular season because of our depth.  Now I have to question how good our depth really is.  The injuries certainly matter but we're getting blasted by mediocre teams.

I dont think anyone seriously believed either of those things about Brown. We all (except for the few extreme optimists on here) knew that Brown wouldnt get enough minutes to be in consideration for the award. and LarBrd is the only one who has made the d-league comment. you're right about Rozier though.

[ayer]

Yeah, you are right, but what this means is this team's depth was a mirage.  Celtics are not just losing, they are losing big.  Perimeter defense and inside defense has been hideous.  The bench sucks.

Thanks for trying to make me feel better, but it's not working.

IMHO Im half way of what you feel, IF we could only have one true center guy. then losing crowder, AH wont be that much problem with mediocore teams.

[celticsclay]

Funny how quickly things swing around here.  Brown was supposed to be competing for ROY.  Now he's barely above a d-leaguer.  Rozier was supposed to be some hot PG prospect that the Sixers should want to trade Noel for. 

Even healthy, we aren't a true contender but I thought we do well during the regular season because of our depth.  Now I have to question how good our depth really is.  The injuries certainly matter but we're getting blasted by mediocre teams.

I don't think that anyone thought brown was ready to start for a playoff team (also haven't anyone see anyone but embiid would be ROY)  Very few rookies can. I believe Winslow may have been the only one last year and that was for a non contender. Rozier is fine and has mid level value just like an injured disgruntled Noel. Feel free to be bitter and inaccurate in a different thread

[kozlodoev]

It sure matters. But if we are as good as some people thought we were, we shouldn't be getting vlown out by an 1-5 team.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Every post in this thread has passed the CsBlog FactChecker^TM thus far.  Well done, folks.