Not a fan of IT as a starter

[Tr1boy]

please delete this thread now. after that awful start, where Isaiah was the ONLY guy scoring, you want him off the bench?? just stop.

IT gets into anything you can do I can do better mode when a player goes off on him. Hero ball isn't going to dig us out of a hole as tonight shows. Its great when he takes it to the basket, but chucking a 3 without passing once is deflating to everyone on the court. In the first quarter I watched Jaylen run up and down the court 6 times without touching the ball once.

On point. Its just sad to see ball played this way

[celticsclay]

The offense is going to be tougher to generate with 2 of our starters out with injury. Especially when one is Horford.

Yeah seriously. How do people not get this? Take an all star and a great 2 way player off just about any team and they are going to look bad

[mr. dee]

IT is one of the few players in the league capable of being a top scoring option on a good team.  He is a legit 20-25 ppg scorer at the most important offensive position on the floor.

Talking about bringing him off the bench is silly.  The Celts are good on that end of the floor and it's mostly thanks to IT.


Isaiah is not the problem.  Nor is Avery, given how he's been playing.  The problem is a lack of consistency and toughness in the frontcourt, and overall cohesiveness on the defensive end.

Yes bc the other players dont get a chance to be involved consistently

These guys are not leftovers... expect them to just be out there and do the dirty work ... and do it with excitement

Maybe if they get some passes or chance to score   they will play with more enthuthiasm on the defensive end as well

Just look at how the spurs play. The ball gets passed around. The open man (doesnt matter who half the game) , shoots the ball...   there is team synergy

Do you want Tyler Zeller to be involved in the offense?

Yes, he's pretty consistent on that side. It's the defense that makes us cringe.

[alldaboston]

IT is one of the few players in the league capable of being a top scoring option on a good team.  He is a legit 20-25 ppg scorer at the most important offensive position on the floor.

Talking about bringing him off the bench is silly.  The Celts are good on that end of the floor and it's mostly thanks to IT.


Isaiah is not the problem.  Nor is Avery, given how he's been playing.  The problem is a lack of consistency and toughness in the frontcourt, and overall cohesiveness on the defensive end.

Yes bc the other players dont get a chance to be involved consistently

These guys are not leftovers... expect them to just be out there and do the dirty work ... and do it with excitement

Maybe if they get some passes or chance to score   they will play with more enthuthiasm on the defensive end as well

Just look at how the spurs play. The ball gets passed around. The open man (doesnt matter who half the game) , shoots the ball...   there is team synergy

Do you want Tyler Zeller to be involved in the offense?

Yes, he's pretty consistent on that side. It's the defense that makes us cringe.

Yeah, I absolutely LOVE his horrible hands, his soft finishes at the rim, his lack of a post game. he literally only has a midrange game, and thats it.

[PhoSita]

Just look at how the spurs play. The ball gets passed around. The open man (doesnt matter who half the game) , shoots the ball...   there is team synergy

The Spurs don't actually play that way so much anymore, at least not with the starters.  They are a slow, grind it out team based around Kawhi and LMA as individual scoring talents.

[jpotter33]

The offense is going to be tougher to generate with 2 of our starters out with injury. Especially when one is Horford.

This. I think people are underrating how much losing two starters and a seventh man is.

Think of what Golden State would play like without Green and Klay and Livingston.

Think of what Cleveland would play like without TT and Lebron and Dunleavy.

Think of what San Antonio would play like without Leonard and Parker and Lee.

Losing two starters and a seventh man are going to significantly hurt every team that it happens to.

[alldaboston]

Just look at how the spurs play. The ball gets passed around. The open man (doesnt matter who half the game) , shoots the ball...   there is team synergy

The Spurs don't actually play that way so much anymore, at least not with the starters.  They are a slow, grind it out team based around Kawhi and LMA as individual scoring talents.

Yeah i've noticed that too. its a lot more ISO ball. Spurs fans have complained about the lack of ball movement since Aldridge got there, they say it's nice that you can dump it in to him to score a bucket whenever you want, but there's a lot less of the beautiful basketball nowadays.

[GreenWarrior]

i'd gladly trade IT for a real PG or someone we don't have to try so hard to free up to score a single basket.

[alldaboston]

i'd gladly trade IT for a real PG or someone we don't have to try so hard to free up to score a single basket.

so, you'd give up our best source of offense so that we can get a player who is likely worse offensively than Isaiah, and who can try to look for other guys who aren't good offensively either. that's essentially what you're saying.

[max215]

i'd gladly trade IT for a real PG or someone we don't have to try so hard to free up to score a single basket.

Honestly, what does this even mean? You want someone better than IT? Lillard, Curry, Russ, CP: those guys aren't available. You want a pass-first player? I think you might be overestimating the likes of Wall, Rubio, Rondo.

[PhoSita]

i'd gladly trade IT for a real PG or someone we don't have to try so hard to free up to score a single basket.

Lulz.

List of guards / ballhandlers better at scoring than IT:

Harden
Derozan
Westbrook
Lillard
Curry


Kemba is about the same.


That's it.

[GRADYCOLNON]

please delete this thread now. after that awful start, where Isaiah was the ONLY guy scoring, you want him off the bench?? just stop.

tough for others to score when he is hogging the ball

[alldaboston]

please delete this thread now. after that awful start, where Isaiah was the ONLY guy scoring, you want him off the bench?? just stop.

tough for others to score when he is hogging the ball

the rest of the team shot 43%...please don't tell me you wanted him to score less than he did tonight? did you want to lose by 50?

or, rather, please do us all a favor and tell me who else would have been a good option to score the ball tonight? clearly, isaiah shouldnt be hogging the ball so much, right? well, who else should he have passed to tonight?

[Tr1boy]

please delete this thread now. after that awful start, where Isaiah was the ONLY guy scoring, you want him off the bench?? just stop.

tough for others to score when he is hogging the ball

the rest of the team shot 43%...please don't tell me you wanted him to score less than he did tonight? did you want to lose by 50?

or, rather, please do us all a favor and tell me who else would have been a good option to score the ball tonight? clearly, isaiah shouldnt be hogging the ball so much, right? well, who else should he have passed to tonight?

To his teammates.  If they receive the correct pass but are hesitant to shoot or keep missing , well then its up to cbs to replace them and eventually Danny to replace them.

Vs with 20 sec left on the clock launching a quick 3.  Or passing the ball when trapped or have nowhere to go. Then guys like Jerebko are suppose to make the difficult shot?

[Tr1boy]

Im ok with who IT is. A little scoring machine . But to start off the game the right way (like start off the day the right way)... you need to encourage team passing (defense also improves sufficating their pgs , which prevents their team from having a nice start)

IT can come off the bench and add to the assault as mainly a scorer.  At the end of the game he can still finish if necessary