Should have never taken Olynyk

[tazzmaniac]

For all those claiming they wanted us to choose the Freak, please re-post your pre-draft posts stating that. I suspect most of you are sharing hindsight rather than foresight.

No can do.  Didn't start posting until late 2014.  DraftExpress mock had Giannis going in the middle 1st.  There was lots of talk about the Greek Freak at that time.  It shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people wanted Giannis then.  Ainge's trading up to get KO was the worst part.  Thought for sure it was to get Giannis.

That's convenient.

Then can you show me all the threads in this Blog touting him before the draft that year??  Would be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 if any.

Then compare that with the number of threads for Smart. Or Gordon. Or Bender.

Why would a comparison of threads with Smart, Gordon or Bender matter?  There is naturally going to be more discussion about potential players when you have the #6 or #3 picks versus the #16 pick. 

I'm not saying I would have taken Giannis with the #1 pick.  I'm saying taking Giannis at the #13 pick was a no brainer to me and it should have been to Ainge since he apparently compared Giannis to a young Scottie Pippen.  Its funny because Ainge just made a "much riskier" choice taking Yabu (projected early 2nd rounder, not the upside of Giannis) with the #16 pick. 
 

[LarBrd33]

I still think Olynyk has a season in him where he'll get starter minutes and average nearly 17 points for some team.  MIght never happen in Boston.

I don't think it's always fair to cherry pick a star that was taken later in the draft and say a GM whiffed. By all means, criticize  the Wolves for taking both Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn right before Steph curry at #7.  A lot of people felt that was a bad pick at the time.   But can you really just look at that same draft, see future all-star Jeff Teague was taken 19th, and claim every GM blew it by not taking him?   Who saw that coming?

I get that Giannis was seen as a raw prospect with lots of potential.  He was taken 15th, though.  Rudy Gobert was another surprise pick in that draft going 27th.  There was no consensus that Giannis would definitely reach his ceiling.   He could have easily ended up someone like Perry jones.  If you're going to criticize teams for not taking a raw prospect, would you also criticize teams for not taking Perry  Jones?  Dude went 28th in a draft.  Did everyone blow it?

Anyways, Boston had the 16th pick that year and traded up to get Olynyk at #13.

If any team should feel stupid, it's the Dallas Mavericks.  They had the #13 pick.  They could have just taken Giannis.   They could have taken Olynyk.  They could have taken Shabazz Muhammad (who went 14th).  Instead, the Mavericks trade #13 to Boston for #16.... one pick after Giannis was taken. 

But Dallas wasn't done.  They could have taken Dennis Shroeder (who went 17th)... instead they draft Lucas Norgueira at #16, then trade down to #18 and end up with Shane Larkin.

[tazzmaniac]

For all those claiming they wanted us to choose the Freak, please re-post your pre-draft posts stating that. I suspect most of you are sharing hindsight rather than foresight.

TP to you sir!

It's so easy to judge a decision in hindsight. If someone was saying Giannis before the draft then you can question DA's performance, if you are just cherry picking years later then you should be quiet.

As to Olynyk, he's a top 10 (maybe top 5) player in his class that was drafted with the 13th pick. He has exceeded his pick slot, anytime Danny picks a guy that does that I will be happy.

Olynyk hasn't even established himself as a starter.  Olynyk would not be top 5 in a redraft.  Its debatable whether he'd squeak into the top 10.  Here's a recent redraft article. 
http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/from-the-courts/2013-nba-redraft-top-10/ 

[Granath]

I'll put the same challenge to the OP that I've put to everyone who starts a loser thread like this one.

Go back and find a thread prior to that draft where you strongly advocated taking Giannis. If you can find and link one, then you get to say "I told you so" all you want. If you can't - like almost everyone else who posts this kind of drivel - then be quiet. It's easy to make decisions with 20/20 hindsight.

[tazzmaniac]

I get that Giannis was seen as a raw prospect with lots of potential.  He was taken 15th, though.  Rudy Gobert was another surprise pick in that draft going 27th.  There was no consensus that Giannis would definitely reach his ceiling.   He could have easily ended up someone like Perry jones.  If you're going to criticize teams for not taking a raw prospect, would you also criticize teams for not taking Perry  Jones?  Dude went 28th in a draft.  Did everyone blow it?

If there was a consensus that Giannis would definitely reach his ceiling, he would have been taken top 3 and in all probability 1st in that draft.  If there was definite consensus, drafting would be really simple everyone would just take the consensus pick for their slot. 

Perry Jones played 2 seasons at Baylor and wasn't particularly impressive.  He wasn't an 18 year old phenom.  Ainge didn't call Perry Jones a young Scottie Pippen and no one else did either.  DraftExpress had him as their "top prospect in a weak forward group" and had him going at 18 in their mock draft.  If I recall correctly, he fell to 28 because of an injury or injury history. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'll put the same challenge to the OP that I've put to everyone who starts a loser thread like this one.

Go back and find a thread prior to that draft where you strongly advocated taking Giannis. If you can find and link one, then you get to say "I told you so" all you want. If you can't - like almost everyone else who posts this kind of drivel - then be quiet. It's easy to make decisions with 20/20 hindsight.

And what exactly are you accomplishing by calling the OP a loser, Granathradamus?

[Granath]

I'll put the same challenge to the OP that I've put to everyone who starts a loser thread like this one.

Go back and find a thread prior to that draft where you strongly advocated taking Giannis. If you can find and link one, then you get to say "I told you so" all you want. If you can't - like almost everyone else who posts this kind of drivel - then be quiet. It's easy to make decisions with 20/20 hindsight.

And what exactly are you accomplishing by calling the OP a loser, Granathradamus?

Please point out where I called the OP a loser. I called the thread a loser. There's a significant difference.

[GreenWarrior]

like I said previously Giannis was more of an Ainge player than Olynyk is.

so we can all say hindsight this n' that but really I think Ainge psyched himself out and said to himself - don't take the player you'd normally go after.

 

[Roy H.]

I'll put the same challenge to the OP that I've put to everyone who starts a loser thread like this one.

Go back and find a thread prior to that draft where you strongly advocated taking Giannis. If you can find and link one, then you get to say "I told you so" all you want. If you can't - like almost everyone else who posts this kind of drivel - then be quiet. It's easy to make decisions with 20/20 hindsight.

And what exactly are you accomplishing by calling the OP a loser, Granathradamus?

Please point out where I called the OP a loser. I called the thread a loser. There's a significant difference.

There's really not. Please don't do it again. It adds nothing positive to the conversation.

[Roy H.]

For all those claiming they wanted us to choose the Freak, please re-post your pre-draft posts stating that. I suspect most of you are sharing hindsight rather than foresight.

No can do.  Didn't start posting until late 2014.  DraftExpress mock had Giannis going in the middle 1st.  There was lots of talk about the Greek Freak at that time.  It shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people wanted Giannis then.  Ainge's trading up to get KO was the worst part.  Thought for sure it was to get Giannis.

That's convenient.

Then can you show me all the threads in this Blog touting him before the draft that year??  Would be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 if any.

Then compare that with the number of threads for Smart. Or Gordon. Or Bender.

I was in the "DKC" at the time, basically a quasi-simulation fantasy league we used to have on CB.  Giannis went 19th in our league (selected by my and riah32's team), and there was no fan fare. GMs were openly talking about being glad not to draft him because they were worried he'd be a bust.

I got nothing but low ball offers for him for most of the summer, and most of the league screamed bloody murder when I traded Noel, Giannis, Crabbe and a #1 for Boogie.

In hindsight people act like Giannis was a sure thing or a consensus pick among Celtics fans. He wasn't.

[Rosco917]

It's wasted energy to re-hash the past. We drafted him, he is what he is.

The question should be should we further invest in him, or let him go.

Do we want or need a 7 foot point guard, who is often injured, slow to return to action, and who has continually shown to be inconsistent in his play.

Kelly needs to return from injury asap, and show that he has a set place on this team. Or be packaged with another player or two and be traded.

[tazzmaniac]

For all those claiming they wanted us to choose the Freak, please re-post your pre-draft posts stating that. I suspect most of you are sharing hindsight rather than foresight.

No can do.  Didn't start posting until late 2014.  DraftExpress mock had Giannis going in the middle 1st.  There was lots of talk about the Greek Freak at that time.  It shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people wanted Giannis then.  Ainge's trading up to get KO was the worst part.  Thought for sure it was to get Giannis.

That's convenient.

Then can you show me all the threads in this Blog touting him before the draft that year??  Would be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 if any.

Then compare that with the number of threads for Smart. Or Gordon. Or Bender.

I was in the "DNC" at the time, basically a quasi-simulation fantasy league we used to have on CB.  Giannis went 19th in our league (selected by my and riah32's team), and there was no fan fare. GMs were openly talking about being glad not to draft him because they were worried he'd be a bust.

I got nothing but low ball offers for him for most of the summer, and most of the league screamed bloody murder when I traded Noel, Giannis, Crabbe and a #1 for Boogie.

In hindsight people act like Giannis was a sure thing or a consensus pick among Celtics fans. He wasn't.

It is not about Giannis being a sure thing or a consensus fan pick.  Giannis wasn't a sure thing but neither was Olynyk.  Neither was a consensus fan pick.  It is about taking a 22 year old complimentary player over a 18 year old with star potential with the #13 pick.  Drafting is a balancing act of risk and reward but I believe you should draft for upside.  Sometimes there are close calls but Giannis versus Olynyk wasn't one of them. 

[Moranis]

For all those claiming they wanted us to choose the Freak, please re-post your pre-draft posts stating that. I suspect most of you are sharing hindsight rather than foresight.

No can do.  Didn't start posting until late 2014.  DraftExpress mock had Giannis going in the middle 1st.  There was lots of talk about the Greek Freak at that time.  It shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people wanted Giannis then.  Ainge's trading up to get KO was the worst part.  Thought for sure it was to get Giannis.

That's convenient.

Then can you show me all the threads in this Blog touting him before the draft that year??  Would be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 if any.

Then compare that with the number of threads for Smart. Or Gordon. Or Bender.

I was in the "DKC" at the time, basically a quasi-simulation fantasy league we used to have on CB.  Giannis went 19th in our league (selected by my and riah32's team), and there was no fan fare. GMs were openly talking about being glad not to draft him because they were worried he'd be a bust.

I got nothing but low ball offers for him for most of the summer, and most of the league screamed bloody murder when I traded Noel, Giannis, Crabbe and a #1 for Boogie.

In hindsight people act like Giannis was a sure thing or a consensus pick among Celtics fans. He wasn't.

Here is the 2013 Draft thread.  Not much on Giannis, but KO was definitely not a popular pick.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65912.0

[Big333223]

I think the distinction we're looking for is:

1. Giannis is the better player and now it's obvious that it would've been better to have drafted him instead of Olynyk.

2. Getting a 7 foot shooter like Olynyk at #13 of a terrible draft was, in more general sense, good value and for that reason, it's hard to criticize. When he's healthy, he's a terrific tool to have.

I find it hard to believe most, if not all, of us don't agree on those 2 things.

[Ilikesports17]

For all those claiming they wanted us to choose the Freak, please re-post your pre-draft posts stating that. I suspect most of you are sharing hindsight rather than foresight.

No can do.  Didn't start posting until late 2014.  DraftExpress mock had Giannis going in the middle 1st.  There was lots of talk about the Greek Freak at that time.  It shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people wanted Giannis then.  Ainge's trading up to get KO was the worst part.  Thought for sure it was to get Giannis.

That's convenient.

Then can you show me all the threads in this Blog touting him before the draft that year??  Would be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 if any.

Then compare that with the number of threads for Smart. Or Gordon. Or Bender.

I was in the "DKC" at the time, basically a quasi-simulation fantasy league we used to have on CB.  Giannis went 19th in our league (selected by my and riah32's team), and there was no fan fare. GMs were openly talking about being glad not to draft him because they were worried he'd be a bust.

I got nothing but low ball offers for him for most of the summer, and most of the league screamed bloody murder when I traded Noel, Giannis, Crabbe and a #1 for Boogie.

In hindsight people act like Giannis was a sure thing or a consensus pick among Celtics fans. He wasn't.

Here is the 2013 Draft thread.  Not much on Giannis, but KO was definitely not a popular pick.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65912.0

Giannis isnt mentioned a single time after the Olynyk pick.