Should have never taken Olynyk

[walker834]

Also this thread may be a mistake. KO is under wraps right now and picking on when he's down.  He could be our secret weapon and surprise of this year.  Always felt he had higher potential and was more a slow grower who would be solid but maybe have higher potential than that and be a late bloomer.  Mchale was like that.

I feel like Ainge looked at both KO and giannis and KO was further along and the upside wasn't that different. I felt teh same way when i scouted them.  I wanted Adams at the time but I ha da love hate relationship with that pick because i really didnt think his upside was that good. more an interior center who we didnt really need either at the time and felt we could do better ultimately.  Liked his motor and toughness though.

i shouldnt say adams was my pick.  The guy on the board i used to post on kept bugging me to put in my pick that year and  i wouldnt do it.  That's actually what happend that year now that i remember.  He wanted our picks a week before the draft and the draft wasnt there yet.  I was happy when we picked KO. It was a surprise but I liked it.

So I wasn't wrong that year. I got an incomplete.  Having to have  yoru pick in on that board a week before the actual draft threw me.

KO has some hidden upside though that doesn't come out very often.  He is one player that i get tired of watching sometimes.  Sometimes he looks like a star but its very short flashes of it.

I dont get disapointed with many celtics.  KO and Sully are two that i have.  Disapointed isn't really the right word though.  He's just him and still pretty young.  Even Sully.  I more think it's a shame no one could get through to him here to this point.  It could motivate him somewhere else ultimately.  Smart hasn't disapointed me yet. He's too young.  I want him to improve certain things.  He seems to have the work ethic or at least that is what is usually reported that he's a hard worker.  The approach might need some work b ut that might just be who he is at this point.   A lot of players are like that. Bradley took time but that's really paid off. KO and Sully are lackadaisical at times.  KO even moreso.  Sully would fight it and people failed to get through to him. Zeller is turning the corner of late. I just said the other day  he needs to play with an edge and suddenly he starts doing that.

[bopna]

Should not have taken Young. Rodney Hood is ballin it in Utah and Young is still riding the pine.

Olynyk was hampered by injuries that stunted his development. He will still be ok though but just dont compare it to the greekfreak or else we will all be bangin our heads on the wall.

[jpotter33]

Should not have taken Young. Rodney Hood is ballin it in Utah and Young is still riding the pine.

Olynyk was hampered by injuries that stunted his development. He will still be ok though but just dont compare it to the greekfreak or else we will all be bangin our heads on the wall.

Yeah, I was pretty upset with the Young pick. I wanted Capela, who would be a pretty decent piece next to Horford right now. Hood was second on the list, and Harris was third for me.

But it was a swing by Danny. Young could still turn into a rotation player at some point, but he did himself no favors by taking so long to take it seriously here in Boston.

[tazzmaniac]

KO shot the ball really well in drills here too where the celtics probably felt he could do that.

WE got Sully but jj was a flop and I dont think Ainge felt good about going with Sully and Fab Melo as our big men for the next few years as we rebuilt if that's how it was.  I can't remember the specifics but I think it was like that.

I think KO was a safe pick by him. 

It's easy to second guess. But you take a gamble at that point. That completely destroys franchises too. Yeah you may have been right that time. 

What about all the times you've been wrong? Would we be the bucks or even worse? Who knows?

Ainge even said after the draft he did not see KO as a star. He also he was intrigued by giannis's potential before it and liked him. his explanation if you listened to him was right there.

Taking a gamble with a draft pick does not completely destroy franchises.  It doesn't even partially destroy franchises when its a late lottery pick.  This was not a taking Oden over Durant or Bowie over Jordan situation.   You don't pass up an 18 year old with star potential for a nearly 4 years older "very good complimentary player".  If we'd taken Giannis and he busted, we wouldn't be appreciably worse off by missing out on Olynyk. 

Stars are what matter.  Getting a star is very difficult.  They rarely get traded and when they are free agents generally re-sign with their current team.  For the few that don't, there is a lot of competition for their services assuming they haven't already decided to form the next super team.  The draft is the best opportunity to get a star albeit a potential star.  When you get an opportunity to draft a player with star potential, you don't pass that up for a complimentary player.

I hated the pick immediately and when Ainge called Olynyk a very good complimentary player that was the final nail in the coffin.  I wasn't particularly enamored with Brown but after Simmons and Ingram were gone, he probably had the most star potential (except for maybe Chriss).  There were certainly safer picks Ainge could have made but I'm pleased Ainge went for the upside pick.  I'm not going to complain 5 years from now if Dunn, Hield or Murray end up being better NBA players than Brown. 

P.S.  I generally liked, or at least understood, Hinkie's moves even taking Okafor considering their situation but Hinkie absolutely blew it by taking MCW over Giannis.   

[TheSundanceKid]

 Talking about beating a dead horse. Everyone here is aware. Danny scouted him he just didn't pill the trigger.

 This is what I'm thankful for on my Bday. This year's #3 overall pick was not an easy choice, and it appears that Ainge hit a Grand Slam. Let's rejoice Celtics fans.

TP, focus on what we can control not what has already passed

[GreenWarrior]

the fact that we didn't take Giannis is more surprising than us actually drafting KO. Giannis is a player right up Ainge's alley - no defined role & plays multiple positions.

I really think KO is gone as soon as he's healthy. I think ainge realizes we don't need him at this point, he's always "working his way back", the only thing he's consistent at is being inconsistent. I personally think in 3 yrs. KO will be out of the league.

[rollie mass]

I  don't think so
,brad can't wait to have kelly healthy,a seven footer hitting 40%of threes,can put the ball on the floor and very good passer and the stats say he plays excellent team defense
who you going to put out there ?who shoots 40% and those stats got  corrupted by his injury
,jerebko has early season struggles and has trouble finishing
the other teams scouting report focuses on his ability to shoot and get hot
kelly was just coming into his own ,last season

[tazzmaniac]

the fact that we didn't take Giannis is more surprising than us actually drafting KO. Giannis is a player right up Ainge's alley - no defined role & plays multiple positions.

I really think KO is gone as soon as he's healthy. I think ainge realizes we don't need him at this point, he's always "working his way back", the only thing he's consistent at is being inconsistent. I personally think in 3 yrs. KO will be out of the league.

He's a big that can shoot 3s.  Someone is going to overpay for him.  Hopefully we'll have better options and it won't be us. 

[Roy H.]

Relatively few fans -- and more importantly, few GMs -- were all-in on Giannis prior to the draft. 

Upside picks are always great, until they don't work out. I was on the Gianni's bandwagon, but that was based on hype and intrigue, and pure guesswork. Those are the exact reasons I desperately wanted Gerald Green, too.

If Danny wanted a safer pick, I don't blame him too much. "Upside" is a crap shoot.

[ThePaintedArea]

Wondering if ppl have finally accepted that DA blew it big time by not taking Gianni's at 13 in 2013.

At the time Cs where desperate for a stud in the draft that was fairly weak in terms of top tier talent. Danny had 2 options:

Olynyk who at best was going to be an Nba rotation player

Or

Giannis an unknown quantity with soo many physical tools. He was either going to be a bust or a blue chipper talent. No in between

This was the chance for DA to swing for the fences, instead he chickened out and went with the safe pick

3years later Gianni's has signed a 100mil extension, is avg 24 8 6 while being on a path to multiple all star teams. Olynyk on the other hand can barely get consistent minutes for a pseudo contender

At this point Gianni's is turning out to be by far the best player of that 2013 draft. Danny really could have had him instead of KO. It's probably more frustrating because everyone knew Olynyk would be nothing more that a rotation player. Far too limited physically to have any impact in today's game. Yet there Gianni's was, breaming with potential and perfectly placed for Danny to swoop in and pick him up.

Danny messed up big time

I think Olynyk's a rotation player on a contender. That's a good outcome for a 13th pick or whatever it was.

[zubi.anaba]

Wondering if ppl have finally accepted that DA blew it big time by not taking Gianni's at 13 in 2013.

At the time Cs where desperate for a stud in the draft that was fairly weak in terms of top tier talent. Danny had 2 options:

Olynyk who at best was going to be an Nba rotation player

Or

Giannis an unknown quantity with soo many physical tools. He was either going to be a bust or a blue chipper talent. No in between

This was the chance for DA to swing for the fences, instead he chickened out and went with the safe pick

3years later Gianni's has signed a 100mil extension, is avg 24 8 6 while being on a path to multiple all star teams. Olynyk on the other hand can barely get consistent minutes for a pseudo contender

At this point Gianni's is turning out to be by far the best player of that 2013 draft. Danny really could have had him instead of KO. It's probably more frustrating because everyone knew Olynyk would be nothing more that a rotation player. Far too limited physically to have any impact in today's game. Yet there Gianni's was, breaming with potential and perfectly placed for Danny to swoop in and pick him up.

Danny messed up big time

I think Olynyk's a rotation player on a contender. That's a good outcome for a 13th pick or whatever it was.

Completely disagree. Cs have been a fringe contender at best in the last 2 Playoffs and Olynyk has been a non factor in both (well except ripping out Kloves arm LOL). I'd argue that Cs will never come close to contender if a player like him plays more than garbage minutes. Dude doesnt have any physical tools to do anything neither does he have any elite NBA skill. He is a zero impact player. The sooner he gets moved in a package for Noel or Oak, the better for the Cs

[jambr380]

the fact that we didn't take Giannis is more surprising than us actually drafting KO. Giannis is a player right up Ainge's alley - no defined role & plays multiple positions.

I really think KO is gone as soon as he's healthy. I think ainge realizes we don't need him at this point, he's always "working his way back", the only thing he's consistent at is being inconsistent. I personally think in 3 yrs. KO will be out of the league.

He's a big that can shoot 3s.  Someone is going to overpay for him.  Hopefully we'll have better options and it won't be us.

And he's especially unique in his ability to pass and handle the ball at his height.

Out of the league? That's just crazy talk. Remember that KO was at the Durant meeting. While we all think that was a bit of a stretch, don't be surprised if we are the ones overpaying him. He is a very good player with a strong understanding of both offensive and defensive basketball. There is a reason good things often seem to happen while he is on the court.

I was pretty disappointed with the pick on draft night (I wanted Schroder at the time), but have come around on KO. He's an acquired taste.

On another note, can't believe I just used my 5000th post (transition from Walker to Rondo) getting all hot over KO.

[max215]

We got a good rotation player in a historically bad draft. Yeah, Danny missed on Giannis, but so did 14 other GM's, and many of them are unable to fall back on the fact that they got a good rotation player in 2013.

[e4sym0de]

Completely disagree. Cs have been a fringe contender at best in the last 2 Playoffs and Olynyk has been a non factor in both (well except ripping out Kloves arm LOL). I'd argue that Cs will never come close to contender if a player like him plays more than garbage minutes. Dude doesnt have any physical tools to do anything neither does he have any elite NBA skill. He is a zero impact player. The sooner he gets moved in a package for Noel or Oak, the better for the Cs

jambr380 congratz

Have never been a big fan of KO but if you would do a redraft, I dont think there are much more than 12 players who seem to work out much better than him. Arguing about missing on a player is pretty useless. Cavs picked Benett #1 this year. Wizards hat Porter #3 , McLemore #7 , Burke #9 thats all bigger misses than KO at #13. With that logic, 80% of GMs "blow it big time every year"
KO is elite at shooting 3s and passing for a big man
Considering a "package" for either noel or okafor seems like a very bad idea to me.

[tazzmaniac]

Relatively few fans -- and more importantly, few GMs -- were all-in on Giannis prior to the draft. 

Upside picks are always great, until they don't work out. I was on the Gianni's bandwagon, but that was based on hype and intrigue, and pure guesswork. Those are the exact reasons I desperately wanted Gerald Green, too.

If Danny wanted a safer pick, I don't blame him too much. "Upside" is a crap shoot.

Upside is not a crap shoot.  The draft is about player assessment which is what GMs and scouts are supposed to be skilled at.  Choosing a complimentary player over a player with star potential is not truly the safer pick.  Complimentary players bust all the time because they're not talented enough in any area to make it. 

The fact is Giannis came over at 18 and played more games and more minutes than Olynyk did.  He's now about to turn 22, which was Olynyk's draft age, and is establishing himself as a star.  Olynyk is just an older complimentary player who is probably about to get paid more than he's worth.  I'm glad that Ainge has gotten less safe in his recent picks (Rozier, Yabu, Brown) and hope he continues to do so.