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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #120 on: November 05, 2016, 01:08:05 PM »

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Summer league isn't mostly about numbers/efficiency. Those things, good or bad, don't really translate because all of the guys are not playing in the roles they will have on their team.

Summer league is about specific plays or showing the potential to make certain plays. Spot ups, driving closeouts, creating offense, passing, fade aways, pull ups, blocks, steals, etc.
the only reason I brought up summer league is because Jaylen was awful in summer league.  Him looking this good through his first 5 real games is a great sign. Hopefully it's a sign he's progressing fast.

LOL he did not look awful in summer league.
LOL he looked awful in summer league.  He shot 32% and 22% from three against primarily undrafted bums.  That's awful. He was better than those bums on the College level.  He should have dominated them. 

Luckily, he looks much better in the regular season.

I re-iterate, he was awful for the first three games of summer league.  His shot just wasn't falling.  Over the next and last three, he looked very, very good. 
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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #121 on: November 05, 2016, 01:25:42 PM »

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If you just look at stats and not the fact that Jaylen was getting to the rim with absolute ease, then you look for the complete wrong things in Summer League.  Still waiting on that Kendrick Brown All Star nod I bet too.
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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #122 on: November 05, 2016, 01:52:22 PM »

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Summer league isn't mostly about numbers/efficiency. Those things, good or bad, don't really translate because all of the guys are not playing in the roles they will have on their team.

Summer league is about specific plays or showing the potential to make certain plays. Spot ups, driving closeouts, creating offense, passing, fade aways, pull ups, blocks, steals, etc.
the only reason I brought up summer league is because Jaylen was awful in summer league.  Him looking this good through his first 5 real games is a great sign. Hopefully it's a sign he's progressing fast.

LOL he did not look awful in summer league.
LOL he looked awful in summer league.  He shot 32% and 22% from three against primarily undrafted bums.  That's awful. He was better than those bums on the College level.  He should have dominated them. 

Luckily, he looks much better in the regular season.

Please read my post again. Summer league is not about efficiency, but making certain plays. Brown did that, which is why his summer league was productive, even if it was inefficient. To point to his efficiency as proof his summer league was "awful" is a non-sequitor, because, again, summer league (especially for rookies) is not about efficiency, but about getting your feet wet and making specific plays.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #123 on: November 05, 2016, 01:54:29 PM »

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Totally agree with Snakehead.  It doesn't matter what the numbers say.  I don't know how anyone could have actually watched the summer league games and not ended up extremely optimistic about Brown.  He had an extremely encouraging summer league.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #124 on: November 05, 2016, 02:19:32 PM »

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Summer league isn't mostly about numbers/efficiency. Those things, good or bad, don't really translate because all of the guys are not playing in the roles they will have on their team.

Summer league is about specific plays or showing the potential to make certain plays. Spot ups, driving closeouts, creating offense, passing, fade aways, pull ups, blocks, steals, etc.
the only reason I brought up summer league is because Jaylen was awful in summer league.  Him looking this good through his first 5 real games is a great sign. Hopefully it's a sign he's progressing fast.

LOL he did not look awful in summer league.
LOL he looked awful in summer league.  He shot 32% and 22% from three against primarily undrafted bums.  That's awful. He was better than those bums on the College level.  He should have dominated them. 

Luckily, he looks much better in the regular season.

Please read my post again. Summer league is not about efficiency, but making certain plays. Brown did that, which is why his summer league was productive, even if it was inefficient. To point to his efficiency as proof his summer league was "awful" is a non-sequitor, because, again, summer league (especially for rookies) is not about efficiency, but about getting your feet wet and making specific plays.

That's what SL is. It's about making plays that go above and beyond what the average SL could do. Jaylen didn't dominate statistically every game, but anyone watching the game saw that he was essentially bully the less athletic/dynamic SLers by getting to the rim whenever he wanted to. He showed me fadeaways, pull-ups, and drives that made me believe he had what it takes to live up to his top 3 billing.

Now Brown needs to focus on differing less and thinking less. He's playing very unselfishly and within the offense, but I think Stevens should try and focus on him making plays for the 2nd unit because that bench is pretty bad right now.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #125 on: November 05, 2016, 02:22:55 PM »

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Got to agree with the posters that he looked really good in summer league. I get his shooting numbers were bad but if you were watching the games he definitely looked legit. Pretty bizarre to ignore some of the things he flashed and focus on the shooting percentage to act like he was awful.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #126 on: November 05, 2016, 03:12:55 PM »

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Got to agree with the posters that he looked really good in summer league. I get his shooting numbers were bad but if you were watching the games he definitely looked legit. Pretty bizarre to ignore some of the things he flashed and focus on the shooting percentage to act like he was awful.

Seriously!! You want to know a couple of players that have won Summer League MVP?
Glenn Rice Jr. , Kyle Anderson, Josh Selby, Nate Robinson, Jared Bayless

You want a good summer league player go grab a 27 year old from overseas or Marshon Brooks.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #127 on: November 05, 2016, 03:17:56 PM »

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Summer league isn't mostly about numbers/efficiency. Those things, good or bad, don't really translate because all of the guys are not playing in the roles they will have on their team.

Summer league is about specific plays or showing the potential to make certain plays. Spot ups, driving closeouts, creating offense, passing, fade aways, pull ups, blocks, steals, etc.
the only reason I brought up summer league is because Jaylen was awful in summer league.  Him looking this good through his first 5 real games is a great sign. Hopefully it's a sign he's progressing fast.

LOL he did not look awful in summer league.
LOL he looked awful in summer league.  He shot 32% and 22% from three against primarily undrafted bums.  That's awful. He was better than those bums on the College level.  He should have dominated them. 

Luckily, he looks much better in the regular season.

Please read my post again. Summer league is not about efficiency, but making certain plays. Brown did that, which is why his summer league was productive, even if it was inefficient. To point to his efficiency as proof his summer league was "awful" is a non-sequitor, because, again, summer league (especially for rookies) is not about efficiency, but about getting your feet wet and making specific plays.

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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #128 on: November 05, 2016, 03:36:10 PM »

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Summer league isn't mostly about numbers/efficiency. Those things, good or bad, don't really translate because all of the guys are not playing in the roles they will have on their team.

Summer league is about specific plays or showing the potential to make certain plays. Spot ups, driving closeouts, creating offense, passing, fade aways, pull ups, blocks, steals, etc.
the only reason I brought up summer league is because Jaylen was awful in summer league.  Him looking this good through his first 5 real games is a great sign. Hopefully it's a sign he's progressing fast.

LOL he did not look awful in summer league.
LOL he looked awful in summer league.  He shot 32% and 22% from three against primarily undrafted bums.  That's awful. He was better than those bums on the College level.  He should have dominated them. 

Luckily, he looks much better in the regular season.

Please read my post again. Summer league is not about efficiency, but making certain plays. Brown did that, which is why his summer league was productive, even if it was inefficient. To point to his efficiency as proof his summer league was "awful" is a non-sequitor, because, again, summer league (especially for rookies) is not about efficiency, but about getting your feet wet and making specific plays.
A top 5 draftee playing well in Summer League is not a sign of anything.   A top 5 draftee playing poorly in Summer league is a concern, though.   Reason being, the talent pool of Summer League is made up almost entirely of guys who weren't good enough in College to be drafted in the NBA.  So a guy taken top 5, you'd have to assume that player was SIGNIFICANTLY better than the scrubs who didn't even get drafted. 

If that player dominates the scrubs.... it's meaningless.   Obviously, he'd dominate those scrubs... everyone acknowledged that on the college level he was significantly better than those scrubs.

If that player struggles against the scrubs, it's a concern.   Why is this player, who was significantly better than these scrubs just a couple months ago, suddenly shooting 32% from the field and 22% from three against them?   What happened?

You can twist the logic of Summer League to say that jacking up bricks, failing to finish at the hoop, and playing poor defense against bums is somehow an encouraging sign of "playmaking", but it's not really true.   I don't think anyone should have entered panic mode over a handful of crappy Summerleague games from the #3 pick.  Simmons and INgram didn't look particularly good either.    All I'm saying is, Jaylen was terrible in Summer league (true) and it was a sign that he was a long way away from making any tangible impact once he moved up to real NBA competition.   The consensus was that Jaylen looked very raw.  The consensus was that Jaylen couldn't shoot and was incapable of finishing at the basket.   That said, there was obvious potential on display.  I personally was enthusiastic about his future, because you could see what he might become.  You could also get a sense that maybe with the right supporting talent commanding attention, he might be able to have the spacing to attack the hoop and get some open shots.    Still, based on how terrible he was in Summer League, it's rather surprising and thrilling that he's been this efficient in the first 5 games of the season considering how terrible he looked just a couple months ago.

Naturally, homers will hyper focus on the perceived insult and pointlessly argue that Jaylen wasn't terrible in SummerLeague... skin so thin they feel compelled to defend a pretty obviously bad performance.  It's irrelevant.  Summer league is over.  Whether or not he was good or bad in Summer League doesn't matter.  Pretend he was good if it makes you feel more secure and confident.   I genuinely don't care at this point.   Fact is, Jaylen looks solid through 5 regular season games and that's an amazing and wonderful thing.   Who cares about whether or not he was garbage in Summer League (true) or severely underwhelming in College (also true).  He's here now.  He's doing well.  Let's hope it continues.

I remember LeBron James kind of looking bad his first preseason.  There were people calling him LeBust James.   Then he showed up the first game of the regular season and dropped 20, 5 and 5.   WHat happened prior to that game was irrelevant.  Same with Jaylen.   What's important is that Jaylen has been showing great signs and might hopefully be proving Ainge right for taking him 5 picks before most felt he should be drafted.
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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #129 on: November 05, 2016, 03:50:15 PM »

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Brown showed certain skills in the summer league that got people excited, and those skills have obviously translated to the regular season.  That's why a lot of us were encouraged by the summer league.  It's not about shooting percentages and it's not about dominating scrubs.
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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #130 on: November 05, 2016, 03:53:12 PM »

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-summer-league-rookie-rankings-brown-simmons-shine-ingram-erratic/amp/?client=safari

He did get off to a slow start, though, and his shooting percentages weren't good. 

The guy who wrote the above must be some kind of homer.
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Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #131 on: November 05, 2016, 04:02:26 PM »

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-summer-league-rookie-rankings-brown-simmons-shine-ingram-erratic/amp/?client=safari

He did get off to a slow start, though, and his shooting percentages weren't good. 

The guy who wrote the above must be some kind of homer.
No, that's just a garbage article from a moron writer.  He left Kris Dunn off the list despite the fact he clearly looked the most NBA ready in the Vegas Summer league. Dunn averaged 24 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block with 54% shooting.   Not even listed in the Top 10?  C'mon.  Maybe the article was written by a Celtic lackey who was trying to pump up Jaylen's trade value this Summer when we were still trying to acquire a star.

Anyways, I'm a Jaylen Brown fan.  I've been on board with the pick since Ainge made it.  This is going to end up like one of those classic CelticsBlog situations where I admit some ugly truths (he was bad in Summer league... Jahlil Okafor still probably has a better future despite the big game)  and get labelled a troll or hater.   I don't care about Jaylen's Summerleague performance at this point.   He looks good.  I'm moving on.  Pretend he had a good Summerleague if it makes you feel better.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #132 on: November 05, 2016, 04:09:02 PM »

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-summer-league-rookie-rankings-brown-simmons-shine-ingram-erratic/amp/?client=safari

He did get off to a slow start, though, and his shooting percentages weren't good. 

The guy who wrote the above must be some kind of homer.
No, that's just a garbage article from a moron writer.  He left Kris Dunn off the list despite the fact he clearly looked the most NBA ready in the Vegas Summer league. Dunn averaged 24 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block with 54% shooting.   Not even listed in the Top 10?  C'mon.  Maybe the article was written by a Celtic lackey who was trying to pump up Jaylen's trade value this Summer when we were still trying to acquire a star.

Anyways, I'm a Jaylen Brown fan.  I've been on board with the pick since Ainge made it.  This is going to end up like one of those classic CelticsBlog situations where I admit some ugly truths (he was bad in Summer league... Jahlil Okafor still probably has a better future despite the big game)  and get labelled a troll or hater.   I don't care about Jaylen's Summerleague performance at this point.   He looks good.  I'm moving on.  Pretend he had a good Summerleague if it makes you feel better.

He was left off because he only played 2 games.

Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #133 on: November 05, 2016, 04:17:04 PM »

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-summer-league-rookie-rankings-brown-simmons-shine-ingram-erratic/amp/?client=safari

He did get off to a slow start, though, and his shooting percentages weren't good. 

The guy who wrote the above must be some kind of homer.
No, that's just a garbage article from a moron writer.  He left Kris Dunn off the list despite the fact he clearly looked the most NBA ready in the Vegas Summer league. Dunn averaged 24 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block with 54% shooting.   Not even listed in the Top 10?  C'mon.  Maybe the article was written by a Celtic lackey who was trying to pump up Jaylen's trade value this Summer when we were still trying to acquire a star.

Anyways, I'm a Jaylen Brown fan.  I've been on board with the pick since Ainge made it.  This is going to end up like one of those classic CelticsBlog situations where I admit some ugly truths (he was bad in Summer league... Jahlil Okafor still probably has a better future despite the big game)  and get labelled a troll or hater.   I don't care about Jaylen's Summerleague performance at this point.   He looks good.  I'm moving on.  Pretend he had a good Summerleague if it makes you feel better.

He was left off because he only played 2 games.
That's pretty convenient.  Pretty clever move by the guy the Celtics paid off to write that fluff piece when they were trying to trade Jaylen for Butler. 

Lol jk.   I watched all of Jaylen's Summer League games.  You could see signs of what he might be some day.  It just confirmed what we knew... raw prospect with tools that might end up good some day.  His summer league numbers were on a par with Anthony Bennett's first Summer League. 


Re: Jaylen Brown #2 on NBA.com Rookie Ladder
« Reply #134 on: November 05, 2016, 04:24:16 PM »

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I'm bored with the talk about Summer League.  We might as well be arguing about Jaylen's College performance.  Jaylen was labelled as the prospect with the highest bust potential out of any player who entered the draft.  His shooting in College was really weak.   The College sample size is greater than the handful of Summer League games.   None of that matters at this point.

What matters is our raw athletic prospect has been hitting some shots and making an impact in real NBA games.  It's super exciting.  He's in the perfect situation for his development.  He was outstanding against LeBron James.   You should be excited by it.  Allow yourself to be excited by it.  Considering that just a few short months ago, fans were booing the pick...



It's a great great sign.  There's a silver lining of Crowder's injury.  I can't wait to see if Jaylen can build on this big performance.