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what does not picking up kelly's option mean
« on: November 01, 2016, 12:51:19 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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does he become a restricted free again?,would we let kelly go, if someone puts a price tag like turner? what will be the repercussions on kelly's state of mind?-is this an insult?
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Re: what does not picking up kelly's option mean
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Can't see the 'insult' angle.  I like KO and I think he will have a decent NBA career, but he just isn't good enough, apparently.

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2016, 01:12:52 PM »

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I am under the impression it's so the Celtics can have as much salary cap flexibility as possible. That's all.


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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 01:13:17 PM »

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We didn't extend Olynyk's contract largely for cap management reasons.  We'll extend the QO in the offseason and he'll be a restricted FA.

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It simply means the the Celtics will have more cap room next year.  His cap hold next summer is approximately $7.7 million.  If they had offered him a deal of more than about 4 years for $34 million, his salary would have been larger than his cap hold.  The Celtics need every penny to have room for a max free agent (it's why James Young didn't get his option picked up), and accordingly they would have had a difficult time increasing his salary for next year beyond his cap hold.  Olynyk and his agent both knew this, and no one expected a deal to be reached.

Unless he's terrible this season, I expect he'll re-sign with the Celtics next summer for somewhere between $16-18 million per season.

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Olynyk will be a restricted free agent next offseason.  If we can get a MAX free agent (e.g. Griffin), it would probably mean letting Olynyk go in order to have the cap space.  If not and re-signing Olynyk is the best option, I'd expect Ainge to try to work out a deal with Olynyk before other teams can make him offers.  If he ends up getting an offer in the Turner price range, I'd probably let him go. 

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It simply means the the Celtics will have more cap room next year.  His cap hold next summer is approximately $7.7 million.  If they had offered him a deal of more than about 4 years for $34 million, his salary would have been larger than his cap hold.  The Celtics need every penny to have room for a max free agent (it's why James Young didn't get his option picked up), and accordingly they would have had a difficult time increasing his salary for next year beyond his cap hold.  Olynyk and his agent both knew this, and no one expected a deal to be reached.

Unless he's terrible this season, I expect he'll re-sign with the Celtics next summer for somewhere between $16-18 million per season.

Here is another great example of Danny getting the "small" stuff/details right.  For a lot of people on this blog not extending Young for 2.8 mil next season was no big deal - who cares about peanuts (2.8 mil)?  We are more concerned about the games on national TV this week, working the trade machine for a big trade before the deadline or dreaming about signing FA Blake or Gordon next July.  But it is all these wonderful little moves that set up and make the big FA signings possible. 

By waiving RJ (next summer cap saving 1.2 mil) and not picking up Young's option (2.8 mil) Danny got closer to being able to offer a 7 -9 yr max contract next summer. He's not there yet, but he got closer.  When you factor in the cap hold (.5 mil) for Young's slot on the roster, the net cap savings was close to 3.5 million for both these guys.  Neither RJ or Young was going to get meaningful minutes with the C's, so the loss from a roster point of view is very minimal.

So Young becomes an UFA next July.  Theoretically, if C's wanted him back  and he had no other offers, C could sign him for the veteran's minimum at a big savings over the 2.8 mil option.  Lots of moving pieces between now and next summer , but I just wanted to acknowledge the great forward looking work that Danny's team does. So glad he is our GM.

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They need more defense and rebounding up front around Horford if they are to go anywhere.
Doubt they'll re-sign KO, Amir or Zeller. Maybe they'll sign Noel next year. He isn't staying in Philly, and wants to play in his hometown.

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They need more defense and rebounding up front around Horford if they are to go anywhere.
Doubt they'll re-sign KO, Amir or Zeller. Maybe they'll sign Noel next year. He isn't staying in Philly, and wants to play in his hometown.

This may be one of the backup plans . 

If Turner got 70 ,  KO won't be cheapy signing.

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They need more defense and rebounding up front around Horford if they are to go anywhere.
Doubt they'll re-sign KO, Amir or Zeller. Maybe they'll sign Noel next year. He isn't staying in Philly, and wants to play in his hometown.

This.

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Forsberg had this quote from Olynyk:
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I didn't expect to get one. We're in a good position as a team here and got some room to do stuff in the offseason. It is what it is.

It sounds like Ainge or someone explained to him what's going on with the cap and not to worry because they want him on the team. That's my take.
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It simply means the the Celtics will have more cap room next year.  His cap hold next summer is approximately $7.7 million.  If they had offered him a deal of more than about 4 years for $34 million, his salary would have been larger than his cap hold.  The Celtics need every penny to have room for a max free agent (it's why James Young didn't get his option picked up), and accordingly they would have had a difficult time increasing his salary for next year beyond his cap hold.  Olynyk and his agent both knew this, and no one expected a deal to be reached.

Unless he's terrible this season, I expect he'll re-sign with the Kings next summer for somewhere between $16-18 million per season.

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It simply means the the Celtics will have more cap room next year.  His cap hold next summer is approximately $7.7 million.  If they had offered him a deal of more than about 4 years for $34 million, his salary would have been larger than his cap hold.  The Celtics need every penny to have room for a max free agent (it's why James Young didn't get his option picked up), and accordingly they would have had a difficult time increasing his salary for next year beyond his cap hold.  Olynyk and his agent both knew this, and no one expected a deal to be reached.

Unless he's terrible this season, I expect he'll re-sign with the Kings next summer for somewhere between $16-18 million per season.

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It's not an either/or discussion.  It's a both/and thing.

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To me, I think the Celtics are believers in his ability but he needs to put together a "jump season" (which I think he has in him for sure) and stay healthy for the rest of the season.  I feel like the Celtics will pay when both are shown.  Until then, he would probably ask for that kind of money but they wouldn't feel like they'd want to pay it.

I agree with all the flexibility talk, but I think those are both big points.  I say that as a big Olynyk fan too.
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