Our first round draft history

[tazzmaniac]

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

First of all, irony of listing Sully as a good pick is pretty funny.  Most scouts knew with his back he would have health issues that is why he fell.   Danny gambled got some production but to list him as a good pick is absurd.   How good was he was playoffs.   How many games did he miss as a Celtic.  Using math he played in 78% of regular season games.   That means over his career he missed almost 1/4 of the games played.   That is not a success,sorry.

We also traded for JJJ, so he can't be counted.

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

I think if anything has been proven he is mediocre with first round picks.   Not bad but not the best in the world.   There are GM's who are way better at drafting.  I think he excels at finding value in the second round.   

I think over time, Brown will be added to the good list.   But Danny is solid but not spectacular.

Which GMs do you think are better at drafting?  Let's see everyone they picked, not just their successes, and where they were picking.  The way you have success in the draft is to draft early and draft often.  Brown and Smart are the only two actual lottery picks we've had since 2007.  Ainge trading up to take KO over Giannis is the only real gripe I have with his selections but even so KO has been a solid pick.   

[Roy H.]

Lots of good picks not listed.

Big Al, Tony, Delonte, BBD, Powe, Perk, Gomes

And at least one other bust, Banks. Gerald, too.

[TA9]

Lots of good picks not listed.

Big Al, Tony, Delonte, BBD, Powe, Perk

And at least one other busy, Banks

Not to mention that Etwaun Moore is also making a name for himself in New Orleans.

[CelticsJG]

Danny is an above average drafter.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Danny is an above average drafter.

How far above average is he and what represents average?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Lots of good picks not listed.

Big Al, Tony, Delonte, BBD, Powe, Perk, Gomes

And at least one other bust, Banks. Gerald, too.

Keep in mind he's listing only 1st rounders, so a couple of those don't fit. But most of them are of relevance.

[green_bballers13]

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

Giannis says hello

So does Rondo, Jaylen Brown, Al Jefferson, Avery Bradley, etc.

[Bobshot]

What makes it even riskier nowadays is that most of the higher picks are 19yo kids with one year of college. It's a pure crapshoot.

At this point of the Celtics' rebuilding, I think it's time Danny cashed in his chips for established talent that can fill his team's weaknesses. His best chance is to deal high picks and protected players to a weaker team which would value the picks. I think the weaker teams realize they don't have a real shot at getting top FAs, so the way to go is draft or deals.
Those teams may be more willing to trade good players for high picks. In this context, going after Griffin pre-season, if true, looked like a futile exercise. Ainge has to deal with the bad teams. Cousins should be a target.

[Ilikesports17]

Danny Ainge has mad 1 pick in the top 10 and another in the lottery. Neither Olynyk nor Smart are bad picks. Outside the lotto Ainge has probably a below 50 percent success rate but it seems dumb to say Ainge misses 60% of his 15-30 range picks so hes got above a 50% chance of drafting a huge bust in the top 10.

[hwangjini_1]

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

Don't put hat on people so soon. I said we are mediocre, not bad, most GMs are mediocre at drafting.

Prove it. Most gms are mediocre? Define mediocre. Give me please the average performance of most gms through numbers, not an open and unsupported assertion.

What are the odds of a player not surviving in the NBA drafted in the early first round? Mid first Round? Late first round? Second round?

Without this context your assertion does not hold up. It never moves beyond a simple opinion that has no support. Please do better than this. We should not simply use 20/20 hindsight to assess drafting. If we do then no gm holds up. To scrutiny.

And to another poster who advocates for a player but can't seemingly spell the name of that player, (antetokounmpo?) a number of gms let him slide. Why? Reread the scouting reports and they all say he was a relatively high risk pick with high ceiling. Not choosing him was based upon info available THEN and was a reasonable choice. Ainge did not swing and miss in that draft either.

CB has had a number of excellent discussions on ainge and the draft. Please at least read those.

[tazzmaniac]

Ignoring that his inference about Danny is pretty much wrong, his point is that picks can bust so let's trade them for a sure thing. 

Hey Einstein, don't  think other teams know that picks are a wildcard?  That's why they don't have the value that you and others think they should have.  That's why someone like cousins could cost all the remaining Brooklyn picks plus brown.

Since when are trades a sure thing?  There have been a lot more trade busts than trade successes.  I'm all for trading for Cousins but its not a sure thing.  Cousins and Stevens could clash.  Cousins could decide to leave after 2 years.   

[alldaboston]

Is there like a quota or something we have to reach? At least one "Danny draft history" thread a month? Jesus people, give it up. It's the past. They're independent events too. The bust history of previous picks literally has NOTHING to do with our 3 first rounders this year.

Give. It. Up.

[droopdog7]

Ignoring that his inference about Danny is pretty much wrong, his point is that picks can bust so let's trade them for a sure thing. 

Hey Einstein, don't  think other teams know that picks are a wildcard?  That's why they don't have the value that you and others think they should have.  That's why someone like cousins could cost all the remaining Brooklyn picks plus brown.

Since when are trades a sure thing?  There have been a lot more trade busts than trade successes.  I'm all for trading for Cousins but its not a sure thing.  Cousins and Stevens could clash.  Cousins could decide to leave after 2 years.

Tell me, what trade for a star or near star has not worked?  I'm betting I can come up with a WHOLE lot more that did than did not.

[tazzmaniac]

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

Don't put hat on people so soon. I said we are mediocre, not bad, most GMs are mediocre at drafting.

Prove it. Most gms are mediocre? Define mediocre. Give me please the average performance of most gms through numbers, not an open and unsupported assertion.

What are the odds of a player not surviving in the NBA drafted in the early first round? Mid first Round? Late first round? Second round?

Without this context your assertion does not hold up. It never moves beyond a simple opinion that has no support. Please do better than this. We should not simply use 20/20 hindsight to assess drafting. If we do then no gm holds up. To scrutiny.

And to another poster who advocates for a player but can't seemingly spell the name of that player, (antetokounmpo?) a number of gms let him slide. Why? Reread the scouting reports and they all say he was a relatively high risk pick with high ceiling. Not choosing him was based upon info available THEN and was a reasonable choice. Ainge did not swing and miss in that draft either.

CB has had a number of excellent discussions on ainge and the draft. Please at least read those.

Giannis didn't slide.  He was projected to be a mid 1st rounder so GMs not taking him in the top 10 makes sense.  Hinkie taking MCW over Giannis was a mistake.  Ainge taking KO over Giannis was a mistake.  You don't pass on someone with star potential for, in Ainge's words, "a very good complimentary player" unless there are major red flags.  Getting someone with star potential is hard so you shouldn't pass them up in the draft.     
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euXr3CEVdg

[Ilikesports17]

Ignoring that his inference about Danny is pretty much wrong, his point is that picks can bust so let's trade them for a sure thing. 

Hey Einstein, don't  think other teams know that picks are a wildcard?  That's why they don't have the value that you and others think they should have.  That's why someone like cousins could cost all the remaining Brooklyn picks plus brown.

Since when are trades a sure thing?  There have been a lot more trade busts than trade successes.  I'm all for trading for Cousins but its not a sure thing.  Cousins and Stevens could clash.  Cousins could decide to leave after 2 years.

Tell me, what trade for a star or near star has not worked?  I'm betting I can come up with a WHOLE lot more that did than did not.

You could argue Melo didnt work. Deron Williams didnt work. The KG deal was a huge success. Houston "won" the Harden deal but theyve yet to really be contenders. The Howard deal was a major bust.

Chris Paul was a pretty big win.

Cleveland won a ring so you cant call the Love deal a bust.

Thats all the recent major ones off the top of my head.