Our first round draft history

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Looking at C's first round draft in last 15 years, half of the time we get someone decent or great, the other half are completely bust, examples:

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

So the 3 guys we drafted this year, chances are at least one of them is a bust, hopefully it's Zizic not Brown. If you think about it this way, the picks are not that valuable, because we are very mediocre at drafting, it's quite possible that one of the two nets pick is a bust. Let's package them to get someone who's proven to be good.

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There's probably a time to trade younger players and picks for win-now guys. And with Horford, Bradley, IT, and Amir, and so many under 25, we could make a  consolidating deal for a veteran.

Maybe a sharpshooting 3 and D guy rather than a star, but someone that would help in the

A few teams could use more pieces, but I'm not sure who is out there.    Clips should try to get some assets together and need to take a chance or two. Maybe we can trade up in the role player market.

[BitterJim]

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

[Eja117]

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

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[Stig]

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

Don't put hat on people so soon. I said we are mediocre, not bad, most GMs are mediocre at drafting.

[mr. dee]

Danny didn't even drafted Foye for the C's. He got traded immediately.

[adam.jones614]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Looking at C's first round draft in last 15 years, half of the time we get someone decent or great, the other half are completely bust, examples:

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

So the 3 guys we drafted this year, chances are at least one of them is a bust, hopefully it's Zizic not Brown. If you think about it this way, the picks are not that valuable, because we are very mediocre at drafting, it's quite possible that one of the two nets pick is a bust. Let's package them to get someone who's proven to be good.

First of all Foye isn't really fair as has already been said.

The bolded names are all players that have been taken in the mid first round or later. With that factored in I think Danny has made out like a bandit with all the talent he's pulled in that range.

Also even this early I really don't see Brown busting. The guy already looks ahead of schedule and has all the tools to be an all star. His floor is almost certainly a good rotation player.

[Surferdad]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Looking at C's first round draft in last 15 years, half of the time we get someone decent or great, the other half are completely bust, examples:

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

So the 3 guys we drafted this year, chances are at least one of them is a bust, hopefully it's Zizic not Brown. If you think about it this way, the picks are not that valuable, because we are very mediocre at drafting, it's quite possible that one of the two nets pick is a bust. Let's package them to get someone who's proven to be good.

First of all Foye isn't really fair as has already been said.

The bolded names are all players that have been taken in the mid first round or later. With that factored in I think Danny has made out like a bandit with all the talent he's pulled in that range.

Also even this early I really don't see Brown busting. The guy already looks ahead of schedule and has all the tools to be an all star. His floor is almost certainly a good rotation player.

Agreed.  Also, not sure I agree with the OP's choice on "good" and "bad".  Hunter and Young have not proven to be bad players, just yet.  Likewise, Rozier looks good but it's still early and he clearly is missing some PG skills.

Additionally, these picks are all over the first round so it's hard to group them together and say DA is a bad drafter so therefore we must trade the picks.  Note that the Nets picks are/have been higher than the average Celtics pick over the last 15 years. (Brown is the highest pick the C's have had in a very long time.)

[YoungOne87]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Looking at C's first round draft in last 15 years, half of the time we get someone decent or great, the other half are completely bust, examples:

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

So the 3 guys we drafted this year, chances are at least one of them is a bust, hopefully it's Zizic not Brown. If you think about it this way, the picks are not that valuable, because we are very mediocre at drafting, it's quite possible that one of the two nets pick is a bust. Let's package them to get someone who's proven to be good.

all non lottery picks, besides foye who was packaged for garnett.
picks in the 20th range are more likely to not be solid nba players so I would say Ainge did a rather good job to find some gems after the lottery, rather than calling his late first round picks fails...

[Celtics4ever]

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

First of all, irony of listing Sully as a good pick is pretty funny.  Most scouts knew with his back he would have health issues that is why he fell.   Danny gambled got some production but to list him as a good pick is absurd.   How good was he was playoffs.   How many games did he miss as a Celtic.  Using math he played in 78% of regular season games.   That means over his career he missed almost 1/4 of the games played.   That is not a success,sorry.

We also traded for JJJ, so he can't be counted.

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

I think if anything has been proven he is mediocre with first round picks.   Not bad but not the best in the world.   There are GM's who are way better at drafting.  I think he excels at finding value in the second round.   

I think over time, Brown will be added to the good list.   But Danny is solid but not spectacular.

[mctyson]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Looking at C's first round draft in last 15 years, half of the time we get someone decent or great, the other half are completely bust, examples:

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

So the 3 guys we drafted this year, chances are at least one of them is a bust, hopefully it's Zizic not Brown. If you think about it this way, the picks are not that valuable, because we are very mediocre at drafting, it's quite possible that one of the two nets pick is a bust. Let's package them to get someone who's proven to be good.

You could do this for every team in the NBA.  It is Sunday, I am sure you have time.

[Stig]

Sorry I don't see the funny side, if you think Sully is a bad pick because he misses games, what about Smart? using the same math he played exactly 78% of his celtics games, and that's not counting the game he start missing this year. Sully is a good pick at late first round. You don't want to count JJJ? fine, put Brooks in, we are responsible for drafting one of those two.

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

First of all, irony of listing Sully as a good pick is pretty funny.  Most scouts knew with his back he would have health issues that is why he fell.   Danny gambled got some production but to list him as a good pick is absurd.   How good was he was playoffs.   How many games did he miss as a Celtic.  Using math he played in 78% of regular season games.   That means over his career he missed almost 1/4 of the games played.   That is not a success,sorry.

We also traded for JJJ, so he can't be counted.

Another "Danny is a bad drafter" thread? Hasn't this been debunked enough times?

I think if anything has been proven he is mediocre with first round picks.   Not bad but not the best in the world.   There are GM's who are way better at drafting.  I think he excels at finding value in the second round.   

I think over time, Brown will be added to the good list.   But Danny is solid but not spectacular.

[Stig]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history

Looking at C's first round draft in last 15 years, half of the time we get someone decent or great, the other half are completely bust, examples:

Good: Rozier, Smart, KO, Sully, AB, Rondo
Bad: Hunter, Young, JJJ, Melo, Giddens, Foye

So the 3 guys we drafted this year, chances are at least one of them is a bust, hopefully it's Zizic not Brown. If you think about it this way, the picks are not that valuable, because we are very mediocre at drafting, it's quite possible that one of the two nets pick is a bust. Let's package them to get someone who's proven to be good.

First of all Foye isn't really fair as has already been said.

The bolded names are all players that have been taken in the mid first round or later. With that factored in I think Danny has made out like a bandit with all the talent he's pulled in that range.

Also even this early I really don't see Brown busting. The guy already looks ahead of schedule and has all the tools to be an all star. His floor is almost certainly a good rotation player.

Agreed.  Also, not sure I agree with the OP's choice on "good" and "bad".  Hunter and Young have not proven to be bad players, just yet.  Likewise, Rozier looks good but it's still early and he clearly is missing some PG skills.

Additionally, these picks are all over the first round so it's hard to group them together and say DA is a bad drafter so therefore we must trade the picks.  Note that the Nets picks are/have been higher than the average Celtics pick over the last 15 years. (Brown is the highest pick the C's have had in a very long time.)

Guys, I'm not saying Brown is a bust, I didn't label him or any draftees this year because it's too early to tell. But if we learn anything from history, chances are not all our first round draftees this year will meet their expectations, I just hope the one do work out is Brown.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Welcome to the NBA.

[droopdog7]

Ignoring that his inference about Danny is pretty much wrong, his point is that picks can bust so let's trade them for a sure thing. 

Hey Einstein, don't  think other teams know that picks are a wildcard?  That's why they don't have the value that you and others think they should have.  That's why someone like cousins could cost all the remaining Brooklyn picks plus brown.