NBA Season 2016-2017

[alldaboston]

Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.

hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.

If you ignore FG% sure.

He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.   

ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.

Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history?  No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.

if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats

I'm not cherry picking stats.  I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season.  Check any ranking.

you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.

Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes.  Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year.  Bottom line end of story.  Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.

And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season.   Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise.  He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.

Why are you quoting me if these statements are targeted at Eddie? I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too. In this case, it's Saric's bad shooting. You keep ignoring it and bringing me these ranking. Let me be clear: I'm not denying the rankings. All I'm saying is, you cherry pick which stats to use for different players and different situations. And frankly, it's getting a little old.

I like the posts you write on here. Most of the time. They're very informative and it's clear that you put a lot of time and effort into them. But sometimes you just completely ignore what everyone else says and keep restating the same thing over and over again, without acknowledging what the other poster wants to discuss.

[GratefulCs]

These threads are no longer fun.

what do mean?

This is '76ersblog.com, isn't it?

[LarBrd33]

Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.

hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.

If you ignore FG% sure.

He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.   

ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.

Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history?  No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.

if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats

I'm not cherry picking stats.  I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season.  Check any ranking.

you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.

Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes.  Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year.  Bottom line end of story.  Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.

And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season.   Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise.  He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.

I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.

alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here.  Here's how the flow of this conversation went.

- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?"  ...   Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate. 

- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid.  I point out some of his early season credentials.  I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation.  Saric was always expected to come off the bench.  That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise.  That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.   

- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.

- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies.   Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.

That's about as far as this conversation needs to go.  It's not that interesting.

Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile.

[alldaboston]

Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.

hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.

If you ignore FG% sure.

He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.   

ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.

Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history?  No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.

if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats

I'm not cherry picking stats.  I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season.  Check any ranking.

you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.

Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes.  Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year.  Bottom line end of story.  Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.

And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season.   Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise.  He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.

I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.

alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here.  Here's how the flow of this conversation went.

- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?"  ...   Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate. 

- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid.  I point out some of his early season credentials.  I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation.  Saric was always expected to come off the bench.  That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise.  That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.   

- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.

- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies.   Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.

That's about as far as this conversation needs to go.  It's not that interesting.

Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.

sigh

ok. thanks for understanding my point, i guess. it's fine, we don't need to start yet another comparison thread.

[LarBrd33]

Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.

hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.

If you ignore FG% sure.

He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.   

ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.

Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history?  No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.

if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats

I'm not cherry picking stats.  I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season.  Check any ranking.

you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.

Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes.  Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year.  Bottom line end of story.  Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.

And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season.   Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise.  He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.

I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.

alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here.  Here's how the flow of this conversation went.

- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?"  ...   Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate. 

- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid.  I point out some of his early season credentials.  I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation.  Saric was always expected to come off the bench.  That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise.  That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.   

- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.

- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies.   Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.

That's about as far as this conversation needs to go.  It's not that interesting.

Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.

sigh

ok. thanks for understanding my point, i guess. it's fine, we don't need to start yet another comparison thread.

Yeah it's not that interesting, but given that both were drafted in 2014 and were seen as the same tier of prospect, maybe you can start that thread if you really want to.   Saric's per-36 numbers (in his first 11 NBA games) of 13.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals with 39%/41%/73% shooting compares well with Smart's Per-36 stats (who turns 23 in March and is in his 3rd season) of 12.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals with 40%/33%/47% shooting.

I don't think that's something worth discussing here, though.

[alldaboston]

Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.

hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.

If you ignore FG% sure.

He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.   

ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.

Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history?  No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.

if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats

I'm not cherry picking stats.  I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season.  Check any ranking.

you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.

Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes.  Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year.  Bottom line end of story.  Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.

And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season.   Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise.  He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.

I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.

alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here.  Here's how the flow of this conversation went.

- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?"  ...   Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate. 

- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid.  I point out some of his early season credentials.  I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation.  Saric was always expected to come off the bench.  That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise.  That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.   

- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.

- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies.   Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.

That's about as far as this conversation needs to go.  It's not that interesting.

Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.

sigh

ok. thanks for understanding my point, i guess. it's fine, we don't need to start yet another comparison thread.

Yeah it's not that interesting, but given that both were drafted in 2014 and were seen as the same tier of prospect, maybe you can start that thread if you really want to.   Saric's per-36 numbers (in his first 11 NBA games) of 13.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals with 39%/41%/73% shooting compares well with Smart's Per-36 stats (who turns 23 in March and is in his 3rd season) of 12.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals with 40%/33%/47% shooting.

I don't think that's something worth discussing here, though.

believe me, i'm good. a career comparison was never what i had intended in the first place. whatever.

[LarBrd33]

All I'm going to say is I find it impressive that the 6ers have six lottery picks in the last four years on their roster, including apparently the two best rookies this year, are 2-9, and people still think that team has it made.  Four years of tanking and pick acquisition, 6 lottery picks, and still dead last. 

They actually aren't in dead last... Anthony Davis and the Pelicans are in dead last.   The Sixers won last night without 4 of their best players.  I see you're taking the short-sighted view on that team. 

[LarBrd33]

Just in case you haven't had your fill of Philly love yet... I just want to point out that tonight on TNT we get our first look at Embiid vs Karl Towns... and I'm super excited to watch the two young fellas go at it against each other.  My guess is Embiid has an off night... he's been putting up historic Per-36 numbers:  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/QTP_161117JoelEmbiid36Minutes/philadelphia-76ers-center-joel-embiid-putting-historic-numbers-per-36-minutes

One last thing... Joel Embiid Has Applied for a Trademark for “The Process” to Sell Bottled Shirley Temples:  http://www.crossingbroad.com/2016/11/joel-embiid-has-applied-for-a-trademark-for-the-process-to-sell-bottled-shirley-temples.html


 

[fairweatherfan]

One last thing... Joel Embiid Has Applied for a Trademark for “The Process” to Sell Bottled Shirley Temples:  http://www.crossingbroad.com/2016/11/joel-embiid-has-applied-for-a-trademark-for-the-process-to-sell-bottled-shirley-temples.html

Hahaha I thought you were joking about Shirley Temples til I clicked the link. What an odd choice.

Looking forward to Embiid vs Towns myself, too.

[jdz101]

Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.

[LarBrd33]

Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.

I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

[jdz101]

Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.

I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.

[TrueFan]

Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.

I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

We probably could had been in that discussion also if we went into a total tank.

We would have had Smart, Jaylen Brown, two other top 7 picks from the last two drafts and a top 5 pick in the loaded 2017 draft. That to me would had been a fun path for the team to take.

[LarBrd33]

Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.

I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.

Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

[green_bballers13]

Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.

I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.

Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.

Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?