NBA Season 2016-2017

[alldaboston]

Philly

3 game win streak at home.  Embiid reminds me of Shaq when he was a rookie... just on a minutes restriction.

if he ever becomes that dominant, WITH his 3 point shot....[dang]

[LarBrd33]

Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games.  That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time.  They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space.  The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings.  So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team.   Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking.  Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick.  Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.

That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?

No.   Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season.  Unquestionably a massive disappointment.  He's showing why he was drafted, though.  Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured.  Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured.  And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.

[GratefulCs]

Philly

3 game win streak at home.  Embiid reminds me of Shaq when he was a rookie... just on a minutes restriction.. Embiid probably has more skill than rookie Shaq.

embiid is killing it on the reg

I'd appreciate more wins. If they can stay out of the basement then the brooklyn pick has a slightly better chance

[MJohnnyboy]

Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games.  That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time.  They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space.  The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings.  So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team.   Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking.  Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick.  Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.

That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?

No.   Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season.  Unquestionably a massive disappointment.  He's showing why he was drafted, though.  Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured.  Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured.  And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.

Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.

[LarBrd33]

Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games.  That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time.  They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space.  The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings.  So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team.   Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking.  Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick.  Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.

That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?

No.   Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season.  Unquestionably a massive disappointment.  He's showing why he was drafted, though.  Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured.  Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured.  And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.

Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.

Yeah I'm giving it time.  I'm still holding out hope that Smart will make a leap.  If it doesn't happen this year, though... it's unlikely to ever happen.  3rd year is huge.   Just like if Stauskas didn't start looking like the second coming of JJ Reddick, he'd probably be out of the league after this season.

[MJohnnyboy]

Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games.  That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time.  They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space.  The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings.  So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team.   Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking.  Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick.  Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.

That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?

No.   Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season.  Unquestionably a massive disappointment.  He's showing why he was drafted, though.  Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured.  Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured.  And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.

Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.

Yeah I'm giving it time.  I'm still holding out hope that Smart will make a leap.  If it doesn't happen this year, though... it's unlikely to ever happen.  3rd year is huge.   Just like if Stauskas didn't start looking like the second coming of JJ Reddick, he'd probably be out of the league after this season.

Good, and you're right, Philly does look much better. Personally I'm rooting for them whenever Ben Simmons gets back because that spells good news for that Nets pick.

I do wonder though what their plan is with Okafor/Noel. I'm not here to attack you or anything, but since you like what Philly is doing, what do you think they should do with their centers?

[KG Living Legend]

 It all comes down to are they planning on paying Noel. If so easy decision trade Okafor. If they don't want to pay Noel 16 million or more per year. Than move him to the Celtics.

[LarBrd33]

Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games.  That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time.  They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space.  The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings.  So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team.   Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking.  Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick.  Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.

That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?

No.   Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season.  Unquestionably a massive disappointment.  He's showing why he was drafted, though.  Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured.  Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured.  And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.

Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.

Yeah I'm giving it time.  I'm still holding out hope that Smart will make a leap.  If it doesn't happen this year, though... it's unlikely to ever happen.  3rd year is huge.   Just like if Stauskas didn't start looking like the second coming of JJ Reddick, he'd probably be out of the league after this season.

Good, and you're right, Philly does look much better. Personally I'm rooting for them whenever Ben Simmons gets back because that spells good news for that Nets pick.

I do wonder though what their plan is with Okafor/Noel. I'm not here to attack you or anything, but since you like what Philly is doing, what do you think they should do with their centers?

They obviously should trade them for positions of need assuming they can get some decent return for them.  If all they are getting is garbage offers, they shouldn't make a trade for the sake of making a trade.   And my point all Summer when people were telling me they "HAD" to trade the bigs (they didn't ... and the fact that nothing happened this Summer is proof) is that they shouldn't make any trade to fill needs until they know what those needs are.  You never know who might step up and show that they deserve minutes.  And just 10 games into the season, you're seeing proof of that.  If Nik Stauskas is legit (and despite red hot shooting all season, it's too soon to say if he's legit), they don't need to target a sharp shooter... since Stauskas fills that role.   If Sergio Rodriguez continues his strong play, perhaps he fills their need for a back-up PG behind healthy Ben Simmons... so maybe targetting a back-up point guard wouldn't be wise (especially when you realize Bayless hasn't played a game yet).    They had to see how guys like Robert Covington played before targetting a SF.  They had to see what Dario Saric could do (he looks really good) and what positions he could play before addressing their needs.  They also needed to see how the bigs played together - which we still haven't seen (Okafor and Embiid have shared the court for like 3 minutes and Noel hasn't made his season debut yet).   Lastly, Embiid's health will remain a concern until at least later this year... trading one of the bigs before Embiid proves he can play would probably put a pox on Embiid's health.   That was my point this Summer.  #1 - No, they didn't "NEED" to do anything until later.  #2 - It made by far the most sense to wait until closer to the deadline before pulling the trigger on something, because there were so many questions left to answer about what they were working with.    I think it's more than likely we'll see at least one of Noel or Okafor (perhaps both) traded this season, but it will be closer to the deadline. 

[Vox_Populi]

At what point do the Mavs shut down Dirk and buyout Bogut?

[LarBrd33]

At what point do the Mavs shut down Dirk and buyout Bogut?

what would you trade for dirk.

[LarBrd33]

It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic.  I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards.  It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league. 

Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.

Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.

It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball.  It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted.  What I've seen so far is unreal.  Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing.  Karl Towns was better.   Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.

Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber.  What do you think of that comp?

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic.  I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards.  It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league. 

Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.

Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.

It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball.  It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted.  What I've seen so far is unreal.  Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing.  Karl Towns was better.   Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.

Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber.  What do you think of that comp?

Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)

[LarBrd33]

It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic.  I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards.  It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league. 

Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.

Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.

It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball.  It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted.  What I've seen so far is unreal.  Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing.  Karl Towns was better.   Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.

Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber.  What do you think of that comp?

Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)

I already admitted I post as JulErvg06 on SixersBlog.com and spend all my time whining about how good D'Angelo Russell is.

Honestly though... Aside from Golden State becoming everyone's daddy for the next 5-10 years, Joel Embiid is by far the story of the season so far.  A few months ago people were telling me they wouldn't trade RJ Hunter for him and scoffing when I suggested he was a Rookie of the year candidate.  Fans here claimed he'd go late 1st in a 2014 re-draft.  9 games later, look where we are.  It's been fun to watch.  For the sake of the league, hopefully he stays healthy. 

[CroCorvus]

Watched last night's game vs Detroit. Really don't understand why SVG doesn't play more Stanley Johnson?
Plus they are really handicapped they can't use their main player Drummond down the stretch in final minutes of the games but they use the Austrailian Lumberjack Baynes lol. This makes them more vulnerable in serious games and we even didn't try hack strategy... They fight every game but nothing serious out there. 
 

[Who]

Detroit's offense was pathetic down the stretch. Missing Reggie Jackson badly.

They have nobody who can truly create opportunities for others.

One contested shot after another.