Nerlens - about to be traded?

[MBunge]

Trade him somewhere else. I don't really want him now, and I DEFINITELY don't want him after this summer when he will most likely demand and receive a max

Barring some amazing improvement shown this season, I think I can guarantee that no even halfway decent team will offer Noel a max deal.

Mike

[Evantime34]

I wonder if the Celtics are involved somehow.

I certainly hope not.  No one dimensional bigs here please.

Come on, it has to depend on what it costs. If we are sending back Young, Hunter and future non Brooklyn pick or two then I'd love to have him on the C's.

I think it costs us Smart or Rozier, which I still would do, but would lean toward Smart.  I think Rozier is special and Danny saw it.  That's the genius of him.

That is fine, I agree that it would take Rozier at the bare minimum. However, I was responding to the idea that poster wouldn't want him on the team regardless of the price because he's one dimensional.

[celticsclay]

I tended to agree with LB that even if Noel was not playing tons of minutes this year it wouldn't really hurt his value a ton because teams still would view him the same. Now I wonder if Noel is doing the one thing that could actually hurt his value, appearing as a malcontent that causes chemistry issues if he does not like his role seems like a dangerous reputation to add the year before you enter free agency.

[MBunge]

I just checked and it it pretty hilarious to see Philly fans losing their minds over Embiid when he's averaging fewer minutes in the preseason than Nik Stauskus.  The guy is 22, over a year removed from his last injury and the team is still treating him like he's Mr. Glass from Unbreakable.

Mike

[Ilikesports17]

Trade him somewhere else. I don't really want him now, and I DEFINITELY don't want him after this summer when he will most likely demand and receive a max

Barring some amazing improvement shown this season, I think I can guarantee that no even halfway decent team will offer Noel a max deal.

Mike

perhaps not, but Mozgov got 4/64 and Noel is 22 and at the very least projects to be one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA.

[Big333223]

Obviously we want as many shooters are possible but alongside Olynyk or a small ball 4 (like Crowder, Jerebko, or Brown) he could be a pretty devastating pick and roller.

You have to be able to do anything on offense beside score garbage points to be devastating.  The much dreaded Tyler Zeller is devastating compared to Noel.

That's foolish. Noel is much more athletic and at least as skilled as Zeller around the basket.

The problem with that is that his hands are awful. If his hands were good, like a Howard, Chandler, Drummond, Jordan, etc., he'd be a nice option as a rim runner. But his hands are Perkins level bad. That's something that just doesn't improve. You're either born with them or not.

I just totally disagree with this assessment. I don't know where this idea comes from. He's not Olajuwon, but what you're describing I just don't agree with.

[saltlover]

I tended to agree with LB that even if Noel was not playing tons of minutes this year it wouldn't really hurt his value a ton because teams still would view him the same. Now I wonder if Noel is doing the one thing that could actually hurt his value, appearing as a malcontent that causes chemistry issues if he does not like his role seems like a dangerous reputation to add the year before you enter free agency.

He's trying to force his way out.  He's been upset at management ever since they wouldn't let him get on the court late in his rookie year after sitting out most of the season.  It may look bad, but if they've decided they like their new toys more and aren't going to play him in the way he can be most successful, that's going to hurt his contract value too.  Best thing he can do is get somewhere else this season and bring it.

[Ilikesports17]

Obviously we want as many shooters are possible but alongside Olynyk or a small ball 4 (like Crowder, Jerebko, or Brown) he could be a pretty devastating pick and roller.

You have to be able to do anything on offense beside score garbage points to be devastating.  The much dreaded Tyler Zeller is devastating compared to Noel.

That's foolish. Noel is much more athletic and at least as skilled as Zeller around the basket.

The problem with that is that his hands are awful. If his hands were good, like a Howard, Chandler, Drummond, Jordan, etc., he'd be a nice option as a rim runner. But his hands are Perkins level bad. That's something that just doesn't improve. You're either born with them or not.

I just totally disagree with this assessment. I don't know where this idea comes from. He's not Olajuwon, but what you're describing I just don't agree with.

Based on what Ive seen Noel is not nearly as skilled as Zeller around the basket.

Also, it may be hyperbole to say his hands are awful but they certainly havent struck me as good.

[Snakehead]

Obviously we want as many shooters are possible but alongside Olynyk or a small ball 4 (like Crowder, Jerebko, or Brown) he could be a pretty devastating pick and roller.

You have to be able to do anything on offense beside score garbage points to be devastating.  The much dreaded Tyler Zeller is devastating compared to Noel.

That's foolish. Noel is much more athletic and at least as skilled as Zeller around the basket.

You are very wrong.  If you were right, Zeller wouldn't even be in the NBA.  That and running the floor are all he does well.

But you are one of a crowd that convinces themselves there is something there with Noel that there is not at all.

[coffee425]

Is there a reason why we wouldnt just try to sign him in free agency, instead of giving up assets in a trade for him? Other than just wanting him right now, for this year.

Here's how i see the market:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpiX72cVUAA2xr7.png

10 teams with more max cap space than Celtics in 2017.
5 of these teams probably wont spend their money on a max big man (Utah, Philly, Golden State, Atlanta, Sacramento)

My bets are that it'll be between Brooklyn, Chicago, and Boston for him to sign to a max deal in free agency. That is, IF WE EVEN WANT HIM.

[Eddie20]

Obviously we want as many shooters are possible but alongside Olynyk or a small ball 4 (like Crowder, Jerebko, or Brown) he could be a pretty devastating pick and roller.

You have to be able to do anything on offense beside score garbage points to be devastating.  The much dreaded Tyler Zeller is devastating compared to Noel.

That's foolish. Noel is much more athletic and at least as skilled as Zeller around the basket.

The problem with that is that his hands are awful. If his hands were good, like a Howard, Chandler, Drummond, Jordan, etc., he'd be a nice option as a rim runner. But his hands are Perkins level bad. That's something that just doesn't improve. You're either born with them or not.

I just totally disagree with this assessment. I don't know where this idea comes from. He's not Olajuwon, but what you're describing I just don't agree with.

I'm not exaggerating. His hands are awful and they've been that way since Kentucky. If you think I'm making this stuff up here are some exact viewpoints from actual Sixers' fans on the matter. Fans that have likely watched him more than anyone on this board, save for one.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/5/13/8600463/nerlens-noel-is-no-superstar

Not only can he not score, but he struggles to catch the ball to an astonishing degree. It's like he dipped his hands in cement and waves around concrete mittens on the basketball court, hoping they might somehow stick to the ball. That might work on the defensive end, where you can just swat at the ball, but in order to possess it, you need to be able to catch it. Superstars can catch the ball. That Noel ever struggled at all in that regard, probably should have tipped us all off immediately to his extreme lack of potential.

http://forums.philly.com/discussions/Sixers_Forum/Discussions/kr-sixers/1?tsn=17&tid=76928&redirCnt=1&nav=messages

If we eventually have to give up one of our centers why should we keep Noel who has flippers for hands? I like Noel but I'm not in favor of keeping him at the expense of giving up Jahlil who has the offensive skills that the 76ers deeply missed. Nerlens struggles to catch any pass that isn't thrown towards the basket.

I have seen enough in 2 years to evaluate him. As I have said all along, Noel is Theo Ratliff II.  Will be a serviceable backup player on a good team, Very limited offensively,,,,,bricks for hands.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1330738&start=320

He needs to figure out how to catch the ball.

so, has he learn to catch the ball?
maybe the guy has the most defensive potential ever, maybe.

how ever he cant do the most essential and simple thing in basketball , which is CATHING THE **** BALL

I don't think he'll ever have great hands, but I think he'll improve as he gets stronger. Besides, he can do some nice things on offense (once he catches the ball that is).

He has great hands when it comes to getting them in the way of the ball on defense
He's just not good at actually catching the ball. It's weird (Like everything with this team)

His hands have been less awful recently as he has caught some of Wroten YOLO Bullet Passes and got some rebounds in traffic. still bad tho

I think that he doesn't have great hands, but more drops can be attributed to poor concentration and bad passes than can be attributed to bad hands.

[celticsclay]

Wow that is a lot of research into Noel's hands

[jpotter33]

I just checked and it it pretty hilarious to see Philly fans losing their minds over Embiid when he's averaging fewer minutes in the preseason than Nik Stauskus.  The guy is 22, over a year removed from his last injury and the team is still treating him like he's Mr. Glass from Unbreakable.

Mike

Hey, it's over here on CB, too. People are losing their minds over what he's doing in the very limited minutes he's getting. I assume that's because people think it will naturally extrapolate out in those rates to 36 minutes, which of course is non-sense, but I'm betting he looks much less impressive when the real season starts and he plays actual starter minutes.

[footey]

Trade him somewhere else. I don't really want him now, and I DEFINITELY don't want him after this summer when he will most likely demand and receive a max

Barring some amazing improvement shown this season, I think I can guarantee that no even halfway decent team will offer Noel a max deal.

Mike

Yeah, but what about all the other teams? At least one of them probably would, or something close to.

[jpotter33]

I don't know if anyone else has seen this, but Colangelo even basically admits that he isn't talking about an extension with Noel because he doesn't really want to be there and is mad at the team for how everything has gone down.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/10/sixers-nerlens-noel-not-discussing-extension.html

I'd love to have Noek, and he could legitimately turn us into a historically good defense. But the thing that I'm guessing is pausing Danny is flexibility with trades. For example, if Boogie finally becomes available this season, then a trade for Noek before that would just be wasted assets.