Lowe's predictions on the C's

[aingeforthree]

You look at trading Crowder plus picks for that star, & replace Crowder with Hayward in free agency.

We're setup darn well.

[kraidstar]

Unless Utah makes a leap this year, it has to be a near-lock that Gordy ends up in Green. Add a monster in the middle, alongside Horford, and we could be a fairly legitimate threat to come out of the East.

The Bosh situation is so interesting to me. Only play him in home games, or games that he can travel to easily via ground transportation. Would he be willing? Who knows? But that seems like a good alternative as Boston is relatively close to a handful of other teams home arenas and makes traveling a lot easier. Plus, adding Bosh on this team would probably make us a legitimate threat to Cleveland.

I can't imagine the Heat will stick to that. It just sounds like a horrible PR move, especially if Bosh starts publicly saying he really is ready to go and wants to move on while thanking the Heat and their fans. Sure make him wait till February, but don't force him to miss the playoffs. He is 32 and probably would have 3-4 playoffs left if everything worked out.

Would they release him late and keep him out of the playoffs so they don't have to pay him, or would it be to keep a competitor from signing him and then having Bosh potentially play against them in the postseason?

If it's the latter, then Riley is delusional. IMO they will be pretty bad this year anyways, slim shot the Heat even make the playoffs.

[Big333223]

So he thinks the Celtics are going to be the best defensive team in the league and force the most turnovers without what he calls "an intimidator at the rim" but Avery Bradley gets no love when he talks about possible DPoY candidates? Come on, Lowe.

[Snakehead]

So he thinks the Celtics are going to be the best defensive team in the league and force the most turnovers without what he calls "an intimidator at the rim" but Avery Bradley gets no love when he talks about possible DPoY candidates? Come on, Lowe.

Very tiring people can't get over their obsession with "rim protectors" when it is not a requirement for a great defensive team and how no guards can ever get love for DPOY.

It's dumb, but I'm pretty over this stuff.  I mean, to me Smart is better than Bradley on defense anyways so whatever.  If the team is up there on the defensive numbers that will be what matters.  If people want to take that status and not give credit to the individuals that make it happen that's their choice.

[trickybilly]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

[Monkhouse]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

[Ilikesports17]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

no no no. Smarts defensive instincts are on another level. I think Brown will be very good. Smart is a different different player.

[jpotter33]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

no no no. Smarts defensive instincts are on another level. I think Brown will be very good. Smart is a different different player.

Yeah, I'm not sure about that comparison either. I think Brown's supreme athleticism, especially his explosiveness and foot speed, will make him a better overall offensive player in the long run, or at least will allow him more opportunities to score. But Smart's defensive prowess and instincts are definitely on another level. His defensive BBIQ is off the charts, which is something he's had since the moment he stepped on an NBA floor. Jaylen will be a good defender, but he won't be of the level of Smart defensively.

[alldaboston]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

no no no. Smarts defensive instincts are on another level. I think Brown will be very good. Smart is a different different player.

jaylen seems to lose focus quite a bit on defense, just from what i've seen so far in preseason and summer league. sometimes he's able to keep his man in front of him and plays D like he's Kawhi. then other times it looks like he's just letting the dude go by him. he also get beat on some backdoors and screens and stuff. he's got all the tools, he just needs the awareness and the focus

[trickybilly]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

Another wrinkle is that Avery's and IT's extension deadline will be about 2 weeks after he makes his FA decision. If Hayward signs ( a max or near max), we could probably only afford to extend one  of them (ignoring of course if another FA or Kelly signs a big deal). That would mean the other would need to use Bird Rights and stay in Boston. Unlike Al Horford did with Atlanta.

[saltlover]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

Another wrinkle is that Avery's and IT's extension deadline will be about 2 weeks after he makes his FA decision. If Hayward signs ( a max or near max), we could probably only afford to extend one  of them (ignoring of course if another FA or Kelly signs a big deal). That would mean the other would need to use Bird Rights and stay in Boston. Unlike Al Horford did with Atlanta.

If Hayward signs, neither IT nor Avery will be extended, unless there is a significant change to the CBA.

[trickybilly]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

Another wrinkle is that Avery's and IT's extension deadline will be about 2 weeks after he makes his FA decision. If Hayward signs ( a max or near max), we could probably only afford to extend one  of them (ignoring of course if another FA or Kelly signs a big deal). That would mean the other would need to use Bird Rights and stay in Boston. Unlike Al Horford did with Atlanta.

If Hayward signs, neither IT nor Avery will be extended, unless there is a significant change to the CBA.

Why not? We'll have cap space no?

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/08/boston_celtics_avery_bradley_i.html

[saltlover]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

Another wrinkle is that Avery's and IT's extension deadline will be about 2 weeks after he makes his FA decision. If Hayward signs ( a max or near max), we could probably only afford to extend one  of them (ignoring of course if another FA or Kelly signs a big deal). That would mean the other would need to use Bird Rights and stay in Boston. Unlike Al Horford did with Atlanta.

If Hayward signs, neither IT nor Avery will be extended, unless there is a significant change to the CBA.

Why not? We'll have cap space no?

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/08/boston_celtics_avery_bradley_i.html

No, we would not have the cap space.  We don't technically have the space for Hayward as is, although it won't be a hard lift to create it.  To create the $10-15 million extra required for an extension after signing Hayward, however, would require a significant move.

[Monkhouse]

Couldn't we technically re-sign Isaiah Thomas and Bradley with our bird rights?

[alldaboston]

Hayward or Jaylen, hmmm

Not to sound offensive, just stating my honest opinion, but my god, I think Jaylen Brown is going to be something special.

And didn't the article state that Hayward would join the Celtics in the off-season? Adding Hayward would be simply amazing, because it would help us run so many small ball options. Hayward at the 2, Crowder at the 3, Brown or Crowder at the 4, with Horford as a small ball 5. I think we need more ball handling, and more shooting, and viola Hayward can do that. Only issue as brought by users is the cost of the contract, and whether or not he's

He's missing the handles, and the 3pt shot stroke to truly become an excellent two way player. His shot is iffy, yes I would have to agree with anyone on that, but simply put; there is so much potential in this guy.

His motor is incredibly high, and at worst case could be a bigger verison of Smart, with maybe more free throw attempts.

It still gives us plenty of assets to use to bring in another superstar, or pieces that we're missing.

Another wrinkle is that Avery's and IT's extension deadline will be about 2 weeks after he makes his FA decision. If Hayward signs ( a max or near max), we could probably only afford to extend one  of them (ignoring of course if another FA or Kelly signs a big deal). That would mean the other would need to use Bird Rights and stay in Boston. Unlike Al Horford did with Atlanta.

If Hayward signs, neither IT nor Avery will be extended, unless there is a significant change to the CBA.

Why not? We'll have cap space no?

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/08/boston_celtics_avery_bradley_i.html

No, we would not have the cap space.  We don't technically have the space for Hayward as is, although it won't be a hard lift to create it.  To create the $10-15 million extra required for an extension after signing Hayward, however, would require a significant move.

but i thought if you time the transactions right (like, do them in a certain order), you can keep your players and sign other guys to the cap? doesnt that apply here?

edit: yeah what monkhouse said. cant we sign them with bird rights? and do something with our transaction order/timing?