(can't trade Zeller) Hunter or Young needs to start packing?

[Surferdad]

I wonder if Ainge has some kind of an agreement worked out with D. Jackson. Like -

'Here's a bunch of guaranteed money, you aren't going to make the team this year but we will pay you real money to play in Maine and get experience. In exchange for this guaranteed money we ask that you don't sign with another team.'

 So basically the Celtics pay him like he's on the roster but stash him in Maine so he doesn't take up a roster spot. This way they hold onto Young, Hunter and Mickey, and can even call Jackson up to fill out the expanded roster come playoff time. Then re-sign him next year if you have to have him.

I believe giving guaranteed money means he takes up a roster spot.  Still seems like it comes down to Hunter vs. Young for the last spot.

[yelkao]

Does guaranteed money take a roster spot or is it just on the cap?

[CelticPride2016]

Is everyone else "safe"?

You would need to add Demetrius Jackson, who has partially guaranteed money, to that group; and though I would not add Jordan Mickey, it looks as though some people would.

It's hard to see Bentil staying (addressed elsewhere, but rollie's calling him a tweener is not a bad start), which leaves two of Jackson, Hunter, and Young to consider.

I don't have any strong opinions about this whole thing; in the end, as a couple of posters have pointed out, we're only talking about the 14th and 15th men.  I like all three for their different abilities and potentials, and I guess I don't care very much which two it is.

I guess my biggest skepticism is about Hunter's body and his being able to last in the league physically and to play NBA defense.  I'd cut him, even though I like his game the best.

I think Jackson is safe. He doesn't look like a crapshoot and will be in the NBA. I don't think Mickey looked all that inspiring last year, but I think he passed the eye test in the last game.

There was something about "according to league sources," and that's why I personally believe it is basically Hunter versus Young. I appreciate Rollie's and your input on Bentil, so I won't get attached to him.

Young has potential to be a Ray Allen jump shooter with a little Paul Pierce or Gerald Green bully ball. But he hasn't shown too much of that. He also seems to be totally clueless on defense. I'm not sure he can learn how to play good basketball. Sometimes there are prerequisites. Hunter needs to fix his body and jump shot. He is a Gigi Datome type utility player. Hunter to me looks more likely to become a pro than Young.

As for Nader, Yabusele, Zizac, the 2017 Nets' pick, next year's roster could be triple the drama of who makes this year's team.

I hadn't heard that about Fox; but things didn't work out too badly for him in the end - he was a starter on three championship squads.

I mean like Tony Allen dribbling off his knee or before Evan Turner got good and we called him Evan Turnover. Evan Goofball. That's the kind of player I see in James Young and he is nowhere proven at anything. James Young is in the tier above Fab Melo but below Phil Pressey.

[tankcity!]

I think we're better off going with Young from what I've seen and read up to this point. He's been better in practice too. He's also younger. I'm very disappointed in Hunter thus far.

[ThePaintedArea]

Is everyone else "safe"?

You would need to add Demetrius Jackson, who has partially guaranteed money, to that group; and though I would not add Jordan Mickey, it looks as though some people would.

It's hard to see Bentil staying (addressed elsewhere, but rollie's calling him a tweener is not a bad start), which leaves two of Jackson, Hunter, and Young to consider.

I don't have any strong opinions about this whole thing; in the end, as a couple of posters have pointed out, we're only talking about the 14th and 15th men.  I like all three for their different abilities and potentials, and I guess I don't care very much which two it is.

I guess my biggest skepticism is about Hunter's body and his being able to last in the league physically and to play NBA defense.  I'd cut him, even though I like his game the best.

I think Jackson is safe. He doesn't look like a crapshoot and will be in the NBA. I don't think Mickey looked all that inspiring last year, but I think he passed the eye test in the last game.

There was something about "according to league sources," and that's why I personally believe it is basically Hunter versus Young. I appreciate Rollie's and your input on Bentil, so I won't get attached to him.

Young has potential to be a Ray Allen jump shooter with a little Paul Pierce or Gerald Green bully ball. But he hasn't shown too much of that. He also seems to be totally clueless on defense. I'm not sure he can learn how to play good basketball. Sometimes there are prerequisites. Hunter needs to fix his body and jump shot. He is a Gigi Datome type utility player. Hunter to me looks more likely to become a pro than Young.

As for Nader, Yabusele, Zizac, the 2017 Nets' pick, next year's roster could be triple the drama of who makes this year's team.

I hadn't heard that about Fox; but things didn't work out too badly for him in the end - he was a starter on three championship squads.

I mean like Tony Allen dribbling off his knee or before Evan Turner got good and we called him Evan Turnover. Evan Goofball. That's the kind of player I see in James Young and he is nowhere proven at anything. James Young is in the tier above Fab Melo but below Phil Pressey.

Had a good look at the last game, and I've changed my mind again.  Boy do I love a guy who can play basketball!  I'm for keeping Hunter and taking a chance that his body can survive.

Maybe more to the point, there's a void (Brad's word) left by the departure of ET - Boston needs a shot-creator or two to keep things churning when IT is out.  Hunter's potential: a low-turnover version of Turner.

[CelticPride2016]

Had a good look at the last game, and I've changed my mind again.  Boy do I love a guy who can play basketball!  I'm for keeping Hunter and taking a chance that his body can survive.

Maybe more to the point, there's a void (Brad's word) left by the departure of ET - Boston needs a shot-creator or two to keep things churning when IT is out.  Hunter can be a low-turnover version of Turner.

Hunter needs to make the team first, but he will likely become trade bait or leave like Sully did. He would need injuries. Maybe he will stay long-term and take over for Gerald Green past his prime.

Horford is a bridge, but sometimes you can steal a title in those years.

Turner Role

I'm not worried after watching Marcus Smart play solid point guard. Rozier made a leap while no one was looking. It looks real. It was like when Bradley came back after training with Doc during the off-season. I'll give Doc credit for Bradley.

Olynyk needs to take a leap with his assist to turnover ratio. Isaiah is Hall of Fame on offense. We only need to fill in 15 minutes. Rozier and Smart have it taken care of. I wouldn't be scared either if one of them is injured and Demetrius Jackson moves up the food chain.

I think losing Turner will be addition by subtraction. Guys like him are Jordan Crawford and Marcus Thornton. They win and lose games. Although I admit Turner shut me up with his second half play. Sullinger was dramatic. He won me over, but that only lasted a month.

I'm not going near the Marcus Smart is fat thread. They make him out to be John Bagley or Shaq coming back after a year off. That's outrageous. Some guys are big boned like Yabusele. Some guys like Big Baby get eating disorders. I am interested in what Sully currently weighs. I am getting hungry.

[ThePaintedArea]

Had a good look at the last game, and I've changed my mind again.  Boy do I love a guy who can play basketball!  I'm for keeping Hunter and taking a chance that his body can survive.

Maybe more to the point, there's a void (Brad's word) left by the departure of ET - Boston needs a shot-creator or two to keep things churning when IT is out.  Hunter can be a low-turnover version of Turner.

I think losing Turner will be addition by subtraction. Guys like him are Jordan Crawford and Marcus Thornton.

How Hunter is like Turner: they're wings you can run offense through. Hunter can penetrate, function as the ball-handler in pnr, can iso, can run a break. As inefficient as Turner was, he made things happen. Hunter's upside is a more efficient Turner. He's miscast as a "shooter" by many people.

[CelticPride2016]

How Hunter is like Turner: they're wings you can run offense through. Hunter can penetrate, function as the ball-handler in pnr, can iso, can run a break. As inefficient as Turner was, he made things happen. Hunter's upside is a more efficient Turner. He's miscast as a "shooter" by many people.

Turner was holding back Marcus Smart's development as a facilitator. Stevens is obviously making every player earn his minutes. Smart wasn't ready to play pg and Turner filled a void.

I admit Turner was exceptional in the second half. Rozier showed signs but wasn't ready. The key is wins, not some silly Philadelphia playing for lottery position.

I love this about Brad. Even in year one he was going for wins. He played Humphries when it became obvious he was the best big. He leaned on Bass whose personal game made leaps in the post-KG/Pierce era.

We have lucked out. Rozier, Smart and Bradley have all taken leaps with their pg skills making Turner irrelevant. Horford seems to be the kind of big who makes good passes. We need Olynyk to make a leap in terms of assists versus turnovers. Then the offense will have no problems. Amir is okay, but he and Crowder at times are one-dimensional for offense. But then Brad can bring in Brown, Olynyk and Jerebko to mix things up.

I know what you mean about the loss of Turner potentially hurting us, but I am ready to say based on the preseason he will not be missed one bit. Getting rid of Rondo and Green was addition by subtraction. So will Sully and Turner, imho.

[KG Living Legend]

How Hunter is like Turner: they're wings you can run offense through. Hunter can penetrate, function as the ball-handler in pnr, can iso, can run a break. As inefficient as Turner was, he made things happen. Hunter's upside is a more efficient Turner. He's miscast as a "shooter" by many people.

Turner was holding back Marcus Smart's development as a facilitator. Stevens is obviously making every player earn his minutes. Smart wasn't ready to play pg and Turner filled a void.

I admit Turner was exceptional in the second half. Rozier showed signs but wasn't ready. The key is wins, not some silly Philadelphia playing for lottery position.

I love this about Brad. Even in year one he was going for wins. He played Humphries when it became obvious he was the best big. He leaned on Bass whose personal game made leaps in the post-KG/Pierce era.

We have lucked out. Rozier, Smart and Bradley have all taken leaps with their pg skills making Turner irrelevant. Horford seems to be the kind of big who makes good passes. We need Olynyk to make a leap in terms of assists versus turnovers. Then the offense will have no problems. Amir is okay, but he and Crowder at times are one-dimensional for offense. But then Brad can bring in Brown, Olynyk and Jerebko to mix things up.

I know what you mean about the loss of Turner potentially hurting us, but I am ready to say based on the preseason he will not be missed one bit. Getting rid of Rondo and Green was addition by subtraction. So will Sully and Turner, imho.

 Great Post Celtics pride. Tp.

[Eja117]

I hate saying this but Young is actually a year younger, and is slightly bigger, with slightly longer wingspan. He was also a little bit more of an elite, as opposed to a guy that just had a good tournament. I'd keep Young

[SHAQATTACK]

I hate saying this but Young is actually a year younger, and is slightly bigger, with slightly longer wingspan. He was also a little bit more of an elite, as opposed to a guy that just had a good tournament. I'd keep Young

Agree.......wth everything ....but .....Hunter has the IQ advantage all over Young.

It's still a tos up for me ....... I d let them both go and put my effort into Naders development

[Eja117]

I hate saying this but Young is actually a year younger, and is slightly bigger, with slightly longer wingspan. He was also a little bit more of an elite, as opposed to a guy that just had a good tournament. I'd keep Young

Agree.......wth everything ....but .....Hunter has the IQ advantage all over Young.

It's still a tos up for me ....... I d let them both go and put my effort into Naders development

I'd leave Nader where he is. He has agreed to the NBDL thing. I'd ride that a year. We have Yabu coming over next year and probably the center too

[ManUp]

I hate saying this but Young is actually a year younger, and is slightly bigger, with slightly longer wingspan. He was also a little bit more of an elite, as opposed to a guy that just had a good tournament. I'd keep Young

Technically a year, but Hunter turns 23 this month Young just turned 21.

Hunter is older and his ball handling allows him to shine more, but Young has been doing well playing within the team and making his shots when the opportunity arises.

I question whether Hunter can succeed when he isn't the focal point or allowed to run a little wild.

[Clench123]

Why can't we trade Zeller again?

[SHAQATTACK]

It's worth the price of the contract to do a Josh Smith ....on Zeller

Just wave him off the team and out of Boston.