76ers GM last night

[walker834]

I like Noel because he is defensively really good and would give us that to go with our trio of defenses guards in Smart, Bradley and Crowder.  We lack a true shotblocker.   He is also pretty unselfish.  Okafor is a two way player.  Both guys it really depends if they are worth it though.

Okafor is more worth it if he is that guy and a two way player for us.  Noel is one of the best in the business at blocking shots though.  I don't think that should be undermined. He also wouldn't play as much and wouldn't take away from Horford.

Okafor is very good and I like him but both guys are still developing.

We have some big guys like Zizic and Yab coming and picks ourselves but they are pretty good players both of them.

[Future Celtics Owner]

There are many reasons why we should take Okafor over Noel...IMO

But if we could trade:

Rozier
Young
4
Okafor

Well, I would put a lot more faith in DA to make the right call....and I would be the happiest guy on EARTH.

Posters are going to bring up his "weaknesses" and his potential team afflicting shortcomings....that is actually good and many people subscribe to that view, which is why IMO Okafor is the most underated asset in the NBA.

I've used the same and evolving scouting methods, before and after they entered the NBA, that I did with AD, Drummond, Karl Towns, Embiid, Myles Turner, Gobert, and etc.( more recently Ingram and Dennis Smith Jr from and they showed me enough when they were soph in hs)

Okafor is so undervalued and a lot of that has to do with the physical strengths and weaknesses that he naturally had as a teenager entering the league. Then, he played for the 76ers; whose style of play and surrounding of players were the "kiss of death" for a bigger rookie Center like Okafor....both on offense and defense.

I've already seen Okafor improve his left hand (which was non-existant)and conditioning from last season. I also have good reason to believe that his jumper will be much improved from the end of last year as well. When you add Okafor's:
- 7'6.5'' wingspan
-9'3'' standing reach
- better conditioned game weight of 260lb to start the season..which IMO will drop in the 250's later in the season or sooner
- his dominant post play
- his elite ball-handling skills for a big man
- the willingness and ability to run (another reason he got in better conditioning)
- the improvements he can make on defense from his rookie year by just being in better condition( which he is in better condition)
- The experience he has from his sole year in the league...especially with a target on his back, holding his own against legit defenders, and being the only offensive option, no spacing on offense or defense, all around horrible environment for that kid
-can hit 70% or possibly better from ft
-passing ability
-salary and years on contract


Obviously, I see Okafor as a future top center and someone that is a legit BIGMAN. Also, the dude is nimble and graceful....I see big things from him and especially if he was on the C's
Starting Unit and the Potential Spacing
PG IT             2.0 3pm
SG AB           1.9 3pm
SF Crowder   1.7 3pm
PF Horford    1.1 3pm
C  Okafor: IMO Offensively will provide higher quality and more frequent 3pt shots from Celtic teammates from around the arc. He can make other teams, ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS, stay more honest on defense because the threat he is in the post and 10' around the hoop on offense.


I'm hoping Embiid's play, along with Saric and the imminent return of Simmons, will make Okafor a Celtic.

[Surferdad]

Best way for the Colangelos to undo the mistakes of the previous regime is to trade Noel.  Okafor is younger, more talented and still on his rookie contract for a few more years.  Noel, OTOH will want a deal after this season and could command a big payday (Mosgov money or more) which would really restrict what else they can do when Embiid, Saric and others need to get paid.

That said, Philly is still over a barrel.  Don't give up any Nets #1 picks or Smart.  Would be tough to lose Rozier.

[walker834]

I don't think we are getting either without giving up one of the nets picks.  We might be able to squeeze something especially with Noel, but Okafor we are giving up one of those picks.

Okafor is going to take Rozier, Young and a nets pick.
Noel is questionable but something less.

I don't think you get a young 20 something big man for nothing in the nba. Their value isn't tanking.

Okafor is one of the best young big men in the nba.
Noel is one of the best young shotblockers in the nba.

It could be argued they are the best for their age.  Embiid is better but hurt. Towns etc..  Cousins and Davis aren't as young and are premium max players at this point.

I don't trust Embiid and his injuries anyways.  Towns is really good but Okafor is right there. Cousins and Davis are reaching their potential and I'm not sold I want it. Whiteside Riley isn't letting him go anywhere.  Porzingis etc but these guys aren't going anywhere. There's always Kevin Love but bleh.

[SHAQATTACK]

Only Boogie is worth a Nets pick and several nice players.

[clover]

I sat behind the Colangelos last night,  and I know this prob. Means nothing.  They were hard to hear, but They started talking about Rozier and Young when they came into the game.  Looked at each other and laughed when Hunter was bricking shots.
I'm pretty sure these guys don't go to all the preseason games, especially the away games.

Everytime he looked at his phone, was hoping to see Dannys face....lol.

I would think Embiid's first game would be good reason to trek to Amherst, but yeah, I'm sure they've been talking. Even if it is just them calling Danny, after Danny had repeatedly called them last spring.

[Surferdad]

I don't think we are getting either without giving up one of the nets picks.  We might be able to squeeze something especially with Noel, but Okafor we are giving up one of those picks.

Okafor is going to take Rozier, Young and a nets pick.Noel is questionable but something less.

I don't think you get a young 20 something big man for nothing in the nba. Their value isn't tanking.

Okafor is one of the best young big men in the nba.
Noel is one of the best young shotblockers in the nba.

It could be argued they are the best for their age.  Embiid is better but hurt. Towns etc..  Cousins and Davis aren't as young and are premium max players at this point.

I don't trust Embiid and his injuries anyways.  Towns is really good but Okafor is right there. Cousins and Davis are reaching their potential and I'm not sold I want it. Whiteside Riley isn't letting him go anywhere.  Porzingis etc but these guys aren't going anywhere. There's always Kevin Love but bleh.

If that's what it takes then I say, forget it.  Remember, dealing with Philly helps them and they are still a division/conference rival.  Why enable them and give up your own good assets?  I like having Philly in a pickle.

[walker834]

I would make that trade I think lol.  I'm not 100 percent sold on Okafor yet but he's a stud big man and better than anything we can do next year i think.  Philly still ahs to draft a pg and we are still better.  I'm not worried about them overly.  With Simmons and Embiid they'll be good but they are going to have some issues regardless.

Getting Okafor from them helps us too that's the thing.

Colangelo is going to ask for a king's ransom.  That would be my sticking point.

[walker834]

Isaiah, Bradley, Crowder, Okafor, Horford that would give us 2 legit big men with Smart, KO, jerebko, jaylen and Green and guys like that off our bench.  We'd still have jackson and hunter and Zeller with more picks coming and cap space.  We have a lot of picks where we can spend that on someone.  I just am not 100 percent sold Okafor is the guy.  The tide would shift a bit and we'd help them and give them some assets but that doesn't concern me too much.

We'd have Okafor as an asset and our starting 5 and talent level gets better but we still have space and would clear some things up.

Amir would also play off our bench and is a better backup then Zeller.

I really like james young and think he is going to be a player. Rozier is also very good.  It's a tough call and would weird things up a little.  Okafor really has to be someone who would fit here and I'm not sure he does.  There may be better we can do somewhere.

[gift]

I'd do Rozier+Young for Okafor in a heartbeat. I think Rozier is going to be good, but not a star. At worst Okafor is a Greg Monroe type on a rookie deal. Worst case scenario is we make him our Jared Sullinger and let him walk at the end of the deal. Best case scenario he's an asset for a star trade or a future core player. It's like a 3 year audition at a position of need, giving up a player where we can afford to lose a good one.

If we're worried about another point guard, just look at the BRK '17 pick and slot that in for next year. There will be one available there. For this year we throw D. Jackson into the fire for emergency minutes.

[gift]

No way does Okafor require a Nets pick. If that's the asking price no deal will ever happen. 76ers know this.

[walker834]

Trading Marcus for any of these big men is what is silly.  Even for Jordan although that's a little different.  Marcus needs to stay put though.

I value Marcus Smart more than those nets picks. AB and Crowder are right there too.  Isaiah and Horford are more valuable.  Even KO is a piece I don't want to trade. Rozier and guys like that and young i probably value less but that doesn't mean I want to trade them either.

jaylen Brown isn't even mentioned because he's not trade bait.

So that leaves Rozier, Young.   Hunter, jackson, mickey, Zeller, Amir who's value is too low now. That's not going to land us Okafor.  We have later picks but I don't think that is either. Zizic and Yab  are stashed.  So is Nader.  Can we even trade those guys? i don't see where that makes sense.