When Ainge said teams may regret not taking our offers...

[Moranis]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

[Granath]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

[Moranis]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

[mmmmm]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

[LarBrd33]

Multiple sources said 6 picks - 4 were 1sts - at least one Brooklyn pick. 

Simmons said on his podcast the Brooklyn pick was 2016

Multiple sources later confirmed we offered the 2016 Brooklyn pick "in a large package" for Okafor.

I get people are in denial about it, but the good news is we kept the pick and it ended up landing at #3.  Jaylen is a nice prospect.   Teams may regret not taking those offers.

[Moranis]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft). 

[green_bballers13]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

[Moranis]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run. 

[Granath]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run.

Except most sources never named the Brooklyn pick as one of the ones offered. Now there were also rumors of BOS trying to move to the #4 pick and that's where the Brooklyn pick may have been offered. But it certainly wasn't offered for the Charlotte pick.

This is one of those cases where people have gotten confused because of the many trade rumors.

[Csfan1984]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run.

Except most sources never named the Brooklyn pick as one of the ones offered. Now there were also rumors of BOS trying to move to the #4 pick and that's where the Brooklyn pick may have been offered. But it certainly wasn't offered for the Charlotte pick.

This is one of those cases where people have gotten confused because of the many trade rumors.

Yup most sources said no Nets pick for Winslow deal. Nets pick was for Porzingis deal. Also it's not four 1st* really. True break down is 2 mid first, one future C's 1st( likely low) and two high seconds because we all know Wolves first would never yield a first round pick.

[gift]

I'd just like to add that I think legit nba reporters have the same bad sources quite often. Sometimes the source doesn't really know, sometimes the source knows but isn't truthful.

Also, I was always under the impression the Brooklyn pick was being discussed for higher in the lottery. I do think people just got confused and assumed the same assets were being discussed for #9. Which doesn't really make sense. Why would the same offer get you #4 or #9? You'd think the value of the offer would decrease significantly. If you think the offer for #9 was four picks (one Brooklyn pick), what do you think the offer for #3 or #4 was? Two Brooklyn picks? Six overall picks? Why didn't we hear about that offer?

I think the details were different for different scenarios and we've conflated those details after hearing rumors of different assets in play.

[Moranis]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run.

Except most sources never named the Brooklyn pick as one of the ones offered. Now there were also rumors of BOS trying to move to the #4 pick and that's where the Brooklyn pick may have been offered. But it certainly wasn't offered for the Charlotte pick.

This is one of those cases where people have gotten confused because of the many trade rumors.

Yup most sources said no Nets pick for Winslow deal. Nets pick was for Porzingis deal. Also it's not four 1st* really. True break down is 2 mid first, one future C's 1st( likely low) and two high seconds because we all know Wolves first would never yield a first round pick.

Zach Lowe seemed pretty sure

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

I mean that is a direct quote from an article he put out there.  No one in the Celtics' organization denied that report.  And there is a lot of information there for him to just be speculating. 

[Csfan1984]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run.

Except most sources never named the Brooklyn pick as one of the ones offered. Now there were also rumors of BOS trying to move to the #4 pick and that's where the Brooklyn pick may have been offered. But it certainly wasn't offered for the Charlotte pick.

This is one of those cases where people have gotten confused because of the many trade rumors.

Yup most sources said no Nets pick for Winslow deal. Nets pick was for Porzingis deal. Also it's not four 1st* really. True break down is 2 mid first, one future C's 1st( likely low) and two high seconds because we all know Wolves first would never yield a first round pick.

Zach Lowe seemed pretty sure

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

I mean that is a direct quote from an article he put out there.  No one in the Celtics' organization denied that report.  And there is a lot of information there for him to just be speculating.

Believe Jordan told a few Charlotte reporters that wasn't the case. They asked for the Nets pick instead of the future C's pick and DA wouldn't budge.

[alldaboston]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run.

Except most sources never named the Brooklyn pick as one of the ones offered. Now there were also rumors of BOS trying to move to the #4 pick and that's where the Brooklyn pick may have been offered. But it certainly wasn't offered for the Charlotte pick.

This is one of those cases where people have gotten confused because of the many trade rumors.

Yup most sources said no Nets pick for Winslow deal. Nets pick was for Porzingis deal. Also it's not four 1st* really. True break down is 2 mid first, one future C's 1st( likely low) and two high seconds because we all know Wolves first would never yield a first round pick.

There was no Porzingis deal. If Danny was able to use the nets pick to move to 4th, he was taking Winslow. This has also been confirmed by Lowe and others. Danny really wanted Winslow. taking him at 4 would have been a major reach and a pretty bad gaffe in hindsight.

edit: here is proof

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Porzingis was there at No. 4, though not without some drama. The Boston Celtics were hell-bent on moving up to draft Justise Winslow and offered the Charlotte Hornets four first-round picks -- including one of Brooklyn's unprotected picks -- for Charlotte's No. 9 pick. But that was Boston's fall-back plan, sources say. The Celtics initially chased Charlotte's pick with the idea of sending it to the Knicks, along with Boston's No. 15 pick, to vault all the way into the Knicks' draft slot -- where the Celtics would take Winslow. Charlotte refused Boston's pitches, and the scenario died. The Knicks downplay their interest in Boston's offer, though it's fascinating to consider how the draft might have played out -- and which fan base would be chanting "POR-ZIN-GIS!" today -- had the Celtics swooped in for Winslow at No. 4.

however you want to think about this, Danny DID offer the nets pick to charlotte. they didnt take it and MJ is stupid for not taking it and Danny is stupid for offering it.


and...

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/06/boston_celtics_draft_rumors_da.html

According to a source inside the Celtics front office, the team targeted Justise Winslow as high as No. 4, and tried to grab him again when he was still available at No. 9. But a major offer loaded with draft picks – Ainge hinted it might have included at least one of Brooklyn's future unprotected first-rounders – wasn't enough to get the Charlotte Hornets to pass on the opportunity to draft Frank Kaminsky.

[alldaboston]

If Danny really did offer 4 1st round picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for Justice Winslow, he should be fired.  and no I don't really think he should be fired, but it should be a huge concern regarding Danny's judgment.

That rumor about that was started here at CelticsBlog after misunderstanding the quote.

"And I think people make irrational choices in those situations, not knowing that a 2019 unprotected first-round pick has great value. I think they will realize that. But again, the draft picks that we have, and the young players that we have, have terrific value around the league. Just not on draft day."

Some people thought that since Danny doesn't own anyone else's unprotected 2019 pick he somehow meant the 2018 Brooklyn pick. But beyond pure, unfounded speculation there's nothing to suggest Danny ever offered a Brooklyn pick for Winslow.

Um it wasn't CBlog it was Zach Lowe from Grantland.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitter

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

Thank you for the clarification. Without getting into the details, let's just say he didn't get his facts correct in this case.

sorry but I'd rather take Zach Lowe's word on it, especially when plenty of others independently confirmed the story.

"independently confirmed"  ?

What does that mean?  I've seen no confirmation from Ainge's people anywhere on what was actually offered. 

Sans that, everything is pure speculation, not confirmation.

by other writers not just Lowe.  It was all over the place. 

Now I suppose that all of those writers all could have had the same sources and those sources all could have been wrong, but when the national guys that are paid to do this and whose livelihood is on the line, all pretty much say the same thing, I tend to believe it is accurate. 

Edit: LarBird referenced Simmons as an example (though he Lowe both worked at Grantland so it is probably the same source).  But that is the thing, no one from the Celtics has denied the trade offer.  If it was really hogwash someone would have flat out denied it (like Colangelo did on the Noel/Covington for 3 rumor from this draft).

Yes, but did you ask Chris Mortensen what he thought about the Celtics rumor?

I'm also not completely buying it. There have been a ridiculous amount of rumors revolving around the Celtics. I'm not sure which one to believe, besides Al Horford signing with the Celtics.

I was a huge fan of the Iverson signing with the Celtics rumor around 10 years ago. Since then, I'll believe it when I see the guy wearing a Celtics jersey sitting next to Danny.

Not sure about the actual math, but I would guess around 1 out of 7 Celtics rumors materialize.

When that many sources from that many platforms all say Boston offered 4 first round picks including a BKN pick for #9 but were turned down, I tend to think that is a lot more than just a rumor, especially when Ainge has not only not denied it but also alluded to it (not the exact details but that he was trying to move up).  This isn't just some "idea" a single writer had that gained traction.  This seems pretty clearly like a case where Boston made an offer that was rejected and Boston ends up glad it was rejected in the long run.

Except most sources never named the Brooklyn pick as one of the ones offered. Now there were also rumors of BOS trying to move to the #4 pick and that's where the Brooklyn pick may have been offered. But it certainly wasn't offered for the Charlotte pick.

This is one of those cases where people have gotten confused because of the many trade rumors.

Yup most sources said no Nets pick for Winslow deal. Nets pick was for Porzingis deal. Also it's not four 1st* really. True break down is 2 mid first, one future C's 1st( likely low) and two high seconds because we all know Wolves first would never yield a first round pick.

Zach Lowe seemed pretty sure

"The Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks."

I mean that is a direct quote from an article he put out there.  No one in the Celtics' organization denied that report.  And there is a lot of information there for him to just be speculating.

Believe Jordan told a few Charlotte reporters that wasn't the case. They asked for the Nets pick instead of the future C's pick and DA wouldn't budge.

he's just trying to not make himself look bad