Noel on Sixers having three centers: "It doesn't make any sense."

[Ilikesports17]

They don't need to do anything.  Plenty of minutes to go around.  It's not ideal, but who cares.  That team isn't threatening for a championship this year.

Imagine a scenario where Thomas and Bradley keep playing excellent basketball.  Pretend Marcus Smart actually makes his leap and looks like a starter.  Now let's also pretend that Terry Rozier's Summer League was legit and he's everything we hope he can be.  Let's say Terry Rozier looks like a legit starting PG in the handful of minutes he gets.  How's he getting starting guard minutes on a team with Thomas, Bradley and Smart all playing excellent ball? 

Now, because Rozier's minutes are limited and teams know Boston is desperate to move one of their PGs, should Boston trade him for a early 2nd rounder just for the sake of trading him?  No, of course not.  That doesn't help the team.  Better off just having Rozier play his 5-10 minutes per night at PG than give him away for pennies on the dollar.   In that scenario, Boston just hangs onto him until someone makes a legit offer or they figure out a way to get equal value for Thomas or Smart. 

Once you understand that, you'll understand why 99% of this board his no idea what they are talking about in regards to Philly's big man situation.   They'll probably trade one of those guys eventually, but it makes the most sense to play out the season and see if someone's trade value increases to the point that someone makes them an acceptable offer.

Perhaps that's because Smart, Rozier, and Bradley can all effectively play two (or even three in Smart's case) positions, and Okafor, Noel, and Embiid are all pure 5's that can neither play the 4 nor play together.

Combine that with the fact that both Saric and Simmons are clearly 4's that simply can't play the 3 (though Simmons could play small-ball 5), let alone Covington that will also have time at the small-ball 4, and, no, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and keeping all of them is going to do nothing but start locker room issues (as we're seeing play out before our eyes) and lower their trade value even more by them either not getting sufficient minutes or having to play out of position with a poor fitting frontcourt mate.

Ah, that Sam Hinkie team-building logic, though!

Hinkie collected assets.  It remains to be seen how it fits together.  They have time to figure it out.  Embiid might be able to play PF.  Simmons might be able to play PG or SF.  They'll figure it out eventually.

This is a good lesson for us all.  This whole thing started because LarBrd had to take a contrarian viewpoint to prove how smart he is.  It's now wound up with him saying stuff that makes it seem like he doesn't understand basketball in the slightest.

Mike

Sounds like you don't trust the process

If it makes people say things like "Simmons might play PG" when he didn't even play it in college and could barely defend against college bigs, no one should trust it.

Could Philly wind up running a lot of their offense through Simmons?  Sure, much like the Kings did through Chris Webber back in the day.  If anyone at the Kings had suggested playing Webber at point, however, they would have been shot out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean.

Mike

Nobody panics when a team has too many bad players at a position ... for instance, our many irrelevant shooting guards.  It only becomes a "problem" when you have too many good players at a position.  Philly is on record with saying they will not make a trade for the sake of making a trade.  They are obviously open to a move, but it needs to be what they consider a fair offer.  They see their log jam as a luxury and in a way, they are right.  The reason why we see so many articles about this is because it's acknowledged throughout the league that if Philly decides to move one of their prize bigs, that player automatically becomes one of the best available trade chips in the league.  Hence why we see so many articles about Noel.  Fans are fawning over the dream of snagging him from Philly.  We're guilty of that almost daily.  I'd love to have Noel in Boston.  Unfortunately, Philly is the gate keeper.

As for the Simmons thing... pretty much every article I read on him suggests the plan is for him to play Point Guard.

You and I have evidently been reading very different articles.

everythibg I've read suggests he specifically won't run the point and he will probably play the 4.

[walker834]

They don't need to do anything.  Plenty of minutes to go around.  It's not ideal, but who cares.  That team isn't threatening for a championship this year.

Imagine a scenario where Thomas and Bradley keep playing excellent basketball.  Pretend Marcus Smart actually makes his leap and looks like a starter.  Now let's also pretend that Terry Rozier's Summer League was legit and he's everything we hope he can be.  Let's say Terry Rozier looks like a legit starting PG in the handful of minutes he gets.  How's he getting starting guard minutes on a team with Thomas, Bradley and Smart all playing excellent ball? 

Now, because Rozier's minutes are limited and teams know Boston is desperate to move one of their PGs, should Boston trade him for a early 2nd rounder just for the sake of trading him?  No, of course not.  That doesn't help the team.  Better off just having Rozier play his 5-10 minutes per night at PG than give him away for pennies on the dollar.   In that scenario, Boston just hangs onto him until someone makes a legit offer or they figure out a way to get equal value for Thomas or Smart. 

Once you understand that, you'll understand why 99% of this board his no idea what they are talking about in regards to Philly's big man situation.   They'll probably trade one of those guys eventually, but it makes the most sense to play out the season and see if someone's trade value increases to the point that someone makes them an acceptable offer.

Perhaps that's because Smart, Rozier, and Bradley can all effectively play two (or even three in Smart's case) positions, and Okafor, Noel, and Embiid are all pure 5's that can neither play the 4 nor play together.

Combine that with the fact that both Saric and Simmons are clearly 4's that simply can't play the 3 (though Simmons could play small-ball 5), let alone Covington that will also have time at the small-ball 4, and, no, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and keeping all of them is going to do nothing but start locker room issues (as we're seeing play out before our eyes) and lower their trade value even more by them either not getting sufficient minutes or having to play out of position with a poor fitting frontcourt mate.

Ah, that Sam Hinkie team-building logic, though!

Hinkie collected assets.  It remains to be seen how it fits together.  They have time to figure it out.  Embiid might be able to play PF.  Simmons might be able to play PG or SF.  They'll figure it out eventually.

This is a good lesson for us all.  This whole thing started because LarBrd had to take a contrarian viewpoint to prove how smart he is.  It's now wound up with him saying stuff that makes it seem like he doesn't understand basketball in the slightest.

Mike

Sounds like you don't trust the process

If it makes people say things like "Simmons might play PG" when he didn't even play it in college and could barely defend against college bigs, no one should trust it.

Could Philly wind up running a lot of their offense through Simmons?  Sure, much like the Kings did through Chris Webber back in the day.  If anyone at the Kings had suggested playing Webber at point, however, they would have been shot out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean.

Mike

Nobody panics when a team has too many bad players at a position ... for instance, our many irrelevant shooting guards.  It only becomes a "problem" when you have too many good players at a position.  Philly is on record with saying they will not make a trade for the sake of making a trade.  They are obviously open to a move, but it needs to be what they consider a fair offer.  They see their log jam as a luxury and in a way, they are right.  The reason why we see so many articles about this is because it's acknowledged throughout the league that if Philly decides to move one of their prize bigs, that player automatically becomes one of the best available trade chips in the league.  Hence why we see so many articles about Noel.  Fans are fawning over the dream of snagging him from Philly.  We're guilty of that almost daily.  I'd love to have Noel in Boston.  Unfortunately, Philly is the gate keeper.

As for the Simmons thing... pretty much every article I read on him suggests the plan is for him to play Point Guard.

You and I have evidently been reading very different articles.

everythibg I've read suggests he specifically won't run the point and he will probably play the 4.

This is what I mean in ways. I'm glad we took Jaylen. We don't have this issue. Ben Simmons good player.  Philly is a pretty bad team with a player they can't even find a position for.

Hinkie also probably has a lot of nice cars and is not sure which one to drive today or where to park it.

Embiid is broken.  Noel wants to be traded.  Okafor we could trade for him too.  Simmons is like a ferrarri who only takes certain types of gas you can only find in certain countries and can't shoot.

[green_bballers13]

I see Simmons as a bigger/better version of Evan Turner, and a less talented/less athletic Lebron. Probably makes a bunch of all star games.

As far as his position, I don't think it matters in the short term. The 76ers have about 17 moves that they need to make before settling on a team that they want to make a playoff push with. They are incredibly young and are planning their future on three big pieces that have yet to play a game (Embiid, Saric, Simmons). Both Okafor and Noel have obvious (yet opposite) holes in their game. They are still one of the worst teams in the NBA.

If I were Noel, I would worry more about hitting a 10 foot jumper than handling GM issues. That would be a more effective use of time.

[walker834]

We have players we are developing and actually have direction.  Noel needs that. I don't know if he is the guy though.  There are other players out there.  I'm not huge on any of them though. Boogie is really good but has issues too.  Okafor.  Next years draft.

I'm really not that big on next years draft as it stands. I think the 18 draft looks better for us.  But I haven't really looked that deep down the drafts yet.

[Ilikesports17]

Trading Brooklyn '17 for Nerlens Noel is a stupid stupid move from a pure value perspective.

You only make bad value moves if they can win you rings. Noel does the opposite because he a) would remove the opportunity to select a high ceiling player in the '17 draft and b) his QO will make it impossible to sign a max guy this summer (I think) and if not, the cash it will cost to resign him will  leave us in a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty cap situation as we approach the end of Smart Thomas and Bradley's contracts.

It just doesnt make any Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.n sense.

Add me to the chorus of people who think this is a ridiculous idea.

[walker834]

Amir, JErebko and Zeller are signed short term.  Even with he signing of horford we have max space and could have signed durant.  Amir, Jerebko and Zellers contracts expiring are basically the equivalent of a max player.  Plus the salary cap is rising. 

I agree with you that we don't want to make a move for a player that isn't worth it.

If you look at this team and how it's constructed though we are basically building for a championship though.

We have Isaiah,  We have bradley and smart.  We have Crowder and Jaylen and just signed horford to 4 years.  Most of those positions are going to be locked up. Yeah sure we could deal crowder but again for who?  We have brown we are developing.

Most of these positions are going to be on lock as we make our championship run. What we really need is another big man.

I also think this team is closer to a championship than it seems.  We can take our time to sort out what we need though.

But it also wouldn't surprise me if we get into the year and are looking for that missing piece.

We have plenty of space to make a move for a player and sign the players we currently have going forward though. And also even sign a free agent on top of noel.

There is a soft cap and a hard cap.  You can go over the cap to sign your own players.  Then there is the luxury tax line as well.  Money is not the issue.

We have been extremely fiscally responsible to this point where noel would not affect that at all. 

To me it's whether or not he's worth it for these reasons as well as other things if we can do better some other way.

[Ilikesports17]

Amir, JErebko and Zeller are signed short term.  Even with he signing of horford we have max space and could have signed durant.  Amir, Jerebko and Zellers contracts expiring are basically the equivalent of a max player.  Plus the salary cap is rising. 

I agree with you that we don't want to make a move for a player that isn't worth it.

If you look at this team and how it's constructed though we are basically building for a championship though.

We have Isaiah,  We have bradley and smart.  We have Crowder and Jaylen and just signed horford to 4 years.  Most of those positions are going to be locked up. Yeah sure we could deal crowder but again for who?  We have brown we are developing.

Most of these positions are going to be on lock as we make our championship run. What we really need is another big man.

I also think this team is closer to a championship than it seems.  We can take our time to sort out what we need though.

But it also wouldn't surprise me if we get into the year and are looking for that missing piece.

We have plenty of space to make a move for a player and sign the players we currently have going forward though. And also even sign a free agent on top of noel.

There is a soft cap and a hard cap.  You can go over the cap to sign your own players.  Then there is the luxury tax line as well.  Money is not the issue.

We have been extremely fiscally responsible to this point where noel would not affect that at all. 

To me it's whether or not he's worth it for these reasons as well as other things if we can do better some other way.

you dont make a bad move just because you can.

Noel for '17 is dumb from a value standpoint thus it is dumb overall.

[walker834]

I also wouldn't give Noel 20 million dollars.  I would sign him to a  reasonable contract.  That's part of it as well what he wants.

I wouldn't make the trade if he's going to want 20 million off the bat. Most of these assumptions are based on that.

I also wouldn't make the trade if there are going to be better options.  I just think people are overvaluing next years pick though at this point when we don't even know what is going to be there either. 

I've said we can take our time. I don't see what I'm saying is dumb at all. I think assuming something better is going to be there and not considering it is silly.

I'm not making the trade today.  We have time.

[LarBrd33]

They don't need to do anything.  Plenty of minutes to go around.  It's not ideal, but who cares.  That team isn't threatening for a championship this year.

Imagine a scenario where Thomas and Bradley keep playing excellent basketball.  Pretend Marcus Smart actually makes his leap and looks like a starter.  Now let's also pretend that Terry Rozier's Summer League was legit and he's everything we hope he can be.  Let's say Terry Rozier looks like a legit starting PG in the handful of minutes he gets.  How's he getting starting guard minutes on a team with Thomas, Bradley and Smart all playing excellent ball? 

Now, because Rozier's minutes are limited and teams know Boston is desperate to move one of their PGs, should Boston trade him for a early 2nd rounder just for the sake of trading him?  No, of course not.  That doesn't help the team.  Better off just having Rozier play his 5-10 minutes per night at PG than give him away for pennies on the dollar.   In that scenario, Boston just hangs onto him until someone makes a legit offer or they figure out a way to get equal value for Thomas or Smart. 

Once you understand that, you'll understand why 99% of this board his no idea what they are talking about in regards to Philly's big man situation.   They'll probably trade one of those guys eventually, but it makes the most sense to play out the season and see if someone's trade value increases to the point that someone makes them an acceptable offer.

Perhaps that's because Smart, Rozier, and Bradley can all effectively play two (or even three in Smart's case) positions, and Okafor, Noel, and Embiid are all pure 5's that can neither play the 4 nor play together.

Combine that with the fact that both Saric and Simmons are clearly 4's that simply can't play the 3 (though Simmons could play small-ball 5), let alone Covington that will also have time at the small-ball 4, and, no, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and keeping all of them is going to do nothing but start locker room issues (as we're seeing play out before our eyes) and lower their trade value even more by them either not getting sufficient minutes or having to play out of position with a poor fitting frontcourt mate.

Ah, that Sam Hinkie team-building logic, though!

Hinkie collected assets.  It remains to be seen how it fits together.  They have time to figure it out.  Embiid might be able to play PF.  Simmons might be able to play PG or SF.  They'll figure it out eventually.

This is a good lesson for us all.  This whole thing started because LarBrd had to take a contrarian viewpoint to prove how smart he is.  It's now wound up with him saying stuff that makes it seem like he doesn't understand basketball in the slightest.

Mike

Sounds like you don't trust the process

If it makes people say things like "Simmons might play PG" when he didn't even play it in college and could barely defend against college bigs, no one should trust it.

Could Philly wind up running a lot of their offense through Simmons?  Sure, much like the Kings did through Chris Webber back in the day.  If anyone at the Kings had suggested playing Webber at point, however, they would have been shot out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean.

Mike

Nobody panics when a team has too many bad players at a position ... for instance, our many irrelevant shooting guards.  It only becomes a "problem" when you have too many good players at a position.  Philly is on record with saying they will not make a trade for the sake of making a trade.  They are obviously open to a move, but it needs to be what they consider a fair offer.  They see their log jam as a luxury and in a way, they are right.  The reason why we see so many articles about this is because it's acknowledged throughout the league that if Philly decides to move one of their prize bigs, that player automatically becomes one of the best available trade chips in the league.  Hence why we see so many articles about Noel.  Fans are fawning over the dream of snagging him from Philly.  We're guilty of that almost daily.  I'd love to have Noel in Boston.  Unfortunately, Philly is the gate keeper.

As for the Simmons thing... pretty much every article I read on him suggests the plan is for him to play Point Guard.

You and I have evidently been reading very different articles.

everythibg I've read suggests he specifically won't run the point and he will probably play the 4.

If Simmons isn't playing point, perhaps Joel Embiid will.  At media day, he said he's comfortable learning the PG position:

"If someone teaches me the point guard position, I think I can do that."

He also said he's going to have a 20-year career, so Philly should have that PG position locked up for the foreseeable future.    NOt to mention, if they struggle this season to reach their contender potential, they're once again looking at possibly two Top 5 picks this Summer in which 5 of the top 6 prospects are PGs and SFs... so who cares if they have too many Centers when they are about to have too many PG's and SF's as well.   That team will have two first units.

[Ilikesports17]

They don't need to do anything.  Plenty of minutes to go around.  It's not ideal, but who cares.  That team isn't threatening for a championship this year.

Imagine a scenario where Thomas and Bradley keep playing excellent basketball.  Pretend Marcus Smart actually makes his leap and looks like a starter.  Now let's also pretend that Terry Rozier's Summer League was legit and he's everything we hope he can be.  Let's say Terry Rozier looks like a legit starting PG in the handful of minutes he gets.  How's he getting starting guard minutes on a team with Thomas, Bradley and Smart all playing excellent ball? 

Now, because Rozier's minutes are limited and teams know Boston is desperate to move one of their PGs, should Boston trade him for a early 2nd rounder just for the sake of trading him?  No, of course not.  That doesn't help the team.  Better off just having Rozier play his 5-10 minutes per night at PG than give him away for pennies on the dollar.   In that scenario, Boston just hangs onto him until someone makes a legit offer or they figure out a way to get equal value for Thomas or Smart. 

Once you understand that, you'll understand why 99% of this board his no idea what they are talking about in regards to Philly's big man situation.   They'll probably trade one of those guys eventually, but it makes the most sense to play out the season and see if someone's trade value increases to the point that someone makes them an acceptable offer.

Perhaps that's because Smart, Rozier, and Bradley can all effectively play two (or even three in Smart's case) positions, and Okafor, Noel, and Embiid are all pure 5's that can neither play the 4 nor play together.

Combine that with the fact that both Saric and Simmons are clearly 4's that simply can't play the 3 (though Simmons could play small-ball 5), let alone Covington that will also have time at the small-ball 4, and, no, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and keeping all of them is going to do nothing but start locker room issues (as we're seeing play out before our eyes) and lower their trade value even more by them either not getting sufficient minutes or having to play out of position with a poor fitting frontcourt mate.

Ah, that Sam Hinkie team-building logic, though!

Hinkie collected assets.  It remains to be seen how it fits together.  They have time to figure it out.  Embiid might be able to play PF.  Simmons might be able to play PG or SF.  They'll figure it out eventually.

This is a good lesson for us all.  This whole thing started because LarBrd had to take a contrarian viewpoint to prove how smart he is.  It's now wound up with him saying stuff that makes it seem like he doesn't understand basketball in the slightest.

Mike

Sounds like you don't trust the process

If it makes people say things like "Simmons might play PG" when he didn't even play it in college and could barely defend against college bigs, no one should trust it.

Could Philly wind up running a lot of their offense through Simmons?  Sure, much like the Kings did through Chris Webber back in the day.  If anyone at the Kings had suggested playing Webber at point, however, they would have been shot out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean.

Mike

Nobody panics when a team has too many bad players at a position ... for instance, our many irrelevant shooting guards.  It only becomes a "problem" when you have too many good players at a position.  Philly is on record with saying they will not make a trade for the sake of making a trade.  They are obviously open to a move, but it needs to be what they consider a fair offer.  They see their log jam as a luxury and in a way, they are right.  The reason why we see so many articles about this is because it's acknowledged throughout the league that if Philly decides to move one of their prize bigs, that player automatically becomes one of the best available trade chips in the league.  Hence why we see so many articles about Noel.  Fans are fawning over the dream of snagging him from Philly.  We're guilty of that almost daily.  I'd love to have Noel in Boston.  Unfortunately, Philly is the gate keeper.

As for the Simmons thing... pretty much every article I read on him suggests the plan is for him to play Point Guard.

You and I have evidently been reading very different articles.

everything I've read suggests he specifically won't run the point and he will probably play the 4.

If Simmons isn't playing point, perhaps Joel Embiid will.  At media day, he said he's comfortable learning the PG position:

"If someone teaches me the point guard position, I think I can do that."

He also said he's going to have a 20-year career, so Philly should have that PG position locked up for the foreseeable future.    NOt to mention, if they struggle this season to reach their contender potential, they're once again looking at possibly two Top 5 picks this Summer in which 5 of the top 6 prospects are PGs and SFs... so who cares if they have too many Centers when they are about to have too many PG's and SF's as well.   That team will have two first units.

so you made all that up about Simmons playing point guard or what?

[LarBrd33]

I'd like to officially accuse walker834 of taking post-enhancing supplements.   I'd like to formally challenge him to a type-off:  http://www.typingtest.com/

[mahcus smaht]

I'd like to officially accuse walker834 of taking post-enhancing supplements.   I'd like to formally challenge him to a type-off:  http://www.typingtest.com/

6.7 posts per day is mighty impressive. Must top the Cs blog leaderboard.

[LarBrd33]

They don't need to do anything.  Plenty of minutes to go around.  It's not ideal, but who cares.  That team isn't threatening for a championship this year.

Imagine a scenario where Thomas and Bradley keep playing excellent basketball.  Pretend Marcus Smart actually makes his leap and looks like a starter.  Now let's also pretend that Terry Rozier's Summer League was legit and he's everything we hope he can be.  Let's say Terry Rozier looks like a legit starting PG in the handful of minutes he gets.  How's he getting starting guard minutes on a team with Thomas, Bradley and Smart all playing excellent ball? 

Now, because Rozier's minutes are limited and teams know Boston is desperate to move one of their PGs, should Boston trade him for a early 2nd rounder just for the sake of trading him?  No, of course not.  That doesn't help the team.  Better off just having Rozier play his 5-10 minutes per night at PG than give him away for pennies on the dollar.   In that scenario, Boston just hangs onto him until someone makes a legit offer or they figure out a way to get equal value for Thomas or Smart. 

Once you understand that, you'll understand why 99% of this board his no idea what they are talking about in regards to Philly's big man situation.   They'll probably trade one of those guys eventually, but it makes the most sense to play out the season and see if someone's trade value increases to the point that someone makes them an acceptable offer.

Perhaps that's because Smart, Rozier, and Bradley can all effectively play two (or even three in Smart's case) positions, and Okafor, Noel, and Embiid are all pure 5's that can neither play the 4 nor play together.

Combine that with the fact that both Saric and Simmons are clearly 4's that simply can't play the 3 (though Simmons could play small-ball 5), let alone Covington that will also have time at the small-ball 4, and, no, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and keeping all of them is going to do nothing but start locker room issues (as we're seeing play out before our eyes) and lower their trade value even more by them either not getting sufficient minutes or having to play out of position with a poor fitting frontcourt mate.

Ah, that Sam Hinkie team-building logic, though!

Hinkie collected assets.  It remains to be seen how it fits together.  They have time to figure it out.  Embiid might be able to play PF.  Simmons might be able to play PG or SF.  They'll figure it out eventually.

This is a good lesson for us all.  This whole thing started because LarBrd had to take a contrarian viewpoint to prove how smart he is.  It's now wound up with him saying stuff that makes it seem like he doesn't understand basketball in the slightest.

Mike

Sounds like you don't trust the process

If it makes people say things like "Simmons might play PG" when he didn't even play it in college and could barely defend against college bigs, no one should trust it.

Could Philly wind up running a lot of their offense through Simmons?  Sure, much like the Kings did through Chris Webber back in the day.  If anyone at the Kings had suggested playing Webber at point, however, they would have been shot out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean.

Mike

Nobody panics when a team has too many bad players at a position ... for instance, our many irrelevant shooting guards.  It only becomes a "problem" when you have too many good players at a position.  Philly is on record with saying they will not make a trade for the sake of making a trade.  They are obviously open to a move, but it needs to be what they consider a fair offer.  They see their log jam as a luxury and in a way, they are right.  The reason why we see so many articles about this is because it's acknowledged throughout the league that if Philly decides to move one of their prize bigs, that player automatically becomes one of the best available trade chips in the league.  Hence why we see so many articles about Noel.  Fans are fawning over the dream of snagging him from Philly.  We're guilty of that almost daily.  I'd love to have Noel in Boston.  Unfortunately, Philly is the gate keeper.

As for the Simmons thing... pretty much every article I read on him suggests the plan is for him to play Point Guard.

You and I have evidently been reading very different articles.

everything I've read suggests he specifically won't run the point and he will probably play the 4.

If Simmons isn't playing point, perhaps Joel Embiid will.  At media day, he said he's comfortable learning the PG position:

"If someone teaches me the point guard position, I think I can do that."

He also said he's going to have a 20-year career, so Philly should have that PG position locked up for the foreseeable future.    NOt to mention, if they struggle this season to reach their contender potential, they're once again looking at possibly two Top 5 picks this Summer in which 5 of the top 6 prospects are PGs and SFs... so who cares if they have too many Centers when they are about to have too many PG's and SF's as well.   That team will have two first units.

so you made all that up about Simmons playing point guard or what?

No.  He's widely believed to be their long term point guard, but they plan on playing him at point forward early on.  Similar to LeBron's position in the NBA, I guess. 

[Ilikesports17]

They don't need to do anything.  Plenty of minutes to go around.  It's not ideal, but who cares.  That team isn't threatening for a championship this year.

Imagine a scenario where Thomas and Bradley keep playing excellent basketball.  Pretend Marcus Smart actually makes his leap and looks like a starter.  Now let's also pretend that Terry Rozier's Summer League was legit and he's everything we hope he can be.  Let's say Terry Rozier looks like a legit starting PG in the handful of minutes he gets.  How's he getting starting guard minutes on a team with Thomas, Bradley and Smart all playing excellent ball? 

Now, because Rozier's minutes are limited and teams know Boston is desperate to move one of their PGs, should Boston trade him for a early 2nd rounder just for the sake of trading him?  No, of course not.  That doesn't help the team.  Better off just having Rozier play his 5-10 minutes per night at PG than give him away for pennies on the dollar.   In that scenario, Boston just hangs onto him until someone makes a legit offer or they figure out a way to get equal value for Thomas or Smart. 

Once you understand that, you'll understand why 99% of this board his no idea what they are talking about in regards to Philly's big man situation.   They'll probably trade one of those guys eventually, but it makes the most sense to play out the season and see if someone's trade value increases to the point that someone makes them an acceptable offer.

Perhaps that's because Smart, Rozier, and Bradley can all effectively play two (or even three in Smart's case) positions, and Okafor, Noel, and Embiid are all pure 5's that can neither play the 4 nor play together.

Combine that with the fact that both Saric and Simmons are clearly 4's that simply can't play the 3 (though Simmons could play small-ball 5), let alone Covington that will also have time at the small-ball 4, and, no, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and keeping all of them is going to do nothing but start locker room issues (as we're seeing play out before our eyes) and lower their trade value even more by them either not getting sufficient minutes or having to play out of position with a poor fitting frontcourt mate.

Ah, that Sam Hinkie team-building logic, though!

Hinkie collected assets.  It remains to be seen how it fits together.  They have time to figure it out.  Embiid might be able to play PF.  Simmons might be able to play PG or SF.  They'll figure it out eventually.

This is a good lesson for us all.  This whole thing started because LarBrd had to take a contrarian viewpoint to prove how smart he is.  It's now wound up with him saying stuff that makes it seem like he doesn't understand basketball in the slightest.

Mike

Sounds like you don't trust the process

If it makes people say things like "Simmons might play PG" when he didn't even play it in college and could barely defend against college bigs, no one should trust it.

Could Philly wind up running a lot of their offense through Simmons?  Sure, much like the Kings did through Chris Webber back in the day.  If anyone at the Kings had suggested playing Webber at point, however, they would have been shot out of a cannon into the Pacific Ocean.

Mike

Nobody panics when a team has too many bad players at a position ... for instance, our many irrelevant shooting guards.  It only becomes a "problem" when you have too many good players at a position.  Philly is on record with saying they will not make a trade for the sake of making a trade.  They are obviously open to a move, but it needs to be what they consider a fair offer.  They see their log jam as a luxury and in a way, they are right.  The reason why we see so many articles about this is because it's acknowledged throughout the league that if Philly decides to move one of their prize bigs, that player automatically becomes one of the best available trade chips in the league.  Hence why we see so many articles about Noel.  Fans are fawning over the dream of snagging him from Philly.  We're guilty of that almost daily.  I'd love to have Noel in Boston.  Unfortunately, Philly is the gate keeper.

As for the Simmons thing... pretty much every article I read on him suggests the plan is for him to play Point Guard.

You and I have evidently been reading very different articles.

everything I've read suggests he specifically won't run the point and he will probably play the 4.

If Simmons isn't playing point, perhaps Joel Embiid will.  At media day, he said he's comfortable learning the PG position:

"If someone teaches me the point guard position, I think I can do that."

He also said he's going to have a 20-year career, so Philly should have that PG position locked up for the foreseeable future.    NOt to mention, if they struggle this season to reach their contender potential, they're once again looking at possibly two Top 5 picks this Summer in which 5 of the top 6 prospects are PGs and SFs... so who cares if they have too many Centers when they are about to have too many PG's and SF's as well.   That team will have two first units.

so you made all that up about Simmons playing point guard or what?

No.  He's widely believed to be their long term point guard, but they plan on playing him at point forward early on.  Similar to LeBron's position in the NBA, I guess.

Just did some googling and am surprised to find that to be the case.

Seems a bit of a 180 from earlier in the offseason. They must have planned on moving a big by now but were really surprised by the lack of good offers.

[LarBrd33]

I'd like to officially accuse walker834 of taking post-enhancing supplements.   I'd like to formally challenge him to a type-off:  http://www.typingtest.com/

6.7 posts per day is mighty impressive. Must top the Cs blog leaderboard.

Nah... I looked that up a couple months ago, because one of my fans was commenting on my 5 posts per day.  Me and walker are nowhere near the top of that leaderboard.  For instance, SHAQATTACK makes 9.8 posts per day, PhoSita makes 10.1 posts per day.  Jpotter33 makes 16 posts per day.

Still, I had the market cornered on overly verbose posts and this sudden rash of walker's wordy posts have convinced me he's juicing.   I demand he reveal his type-off results.  http://www.typingtest.com/