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All-Time Intangible Impact Guys?
« on: September 20, 2016, 05:50:31 PM »

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On the B.S. Podcast, Brad Stevens said of Marcus Smart:

"I think his greatest strength will always be that he's a guy that makes winning plays that aren't quantified."

That really does seem to encapsulate Marcus Smart's "deal" so far as an NBA player: Most people that actually watch him play seem to agree that he's a tenacious, versatile defender, and find it easy to recognize his hustle and willingness to do whatever he can to help the team win (even if that means, ahem, flopping like a fish out of water).   At the same time, Smart's statistical output is ... well ... it's not super pretty for a guy taken #6 overall.  Yet he has earned a lot of playing time and stands out as one of the team leaders despite his struggles to make a consistent impact on the box score.


What are some other guys in the history of the NBA who have stood out in that way, guys who made a huge impact on their team's success despite the fact that their impact was very difficult to quantify? 

How do we distinguish those players, in retrospect, from guys who weren't that good but benefited from playing a limited role on a very good team?
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Andre Iguodala is right up there.


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Robert Horry for clutchness.  Also an underrated player in terms of versatility. Bruce Bowen perhaps?

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Shane Battier is another one that gets love from intangibles guys and analytics alike.

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The Robert Horry all-stars: Lamar Odom, Michael Cooper, James Posey, Horace Grant, Vinnie Johnson, Shane Battier, Bill Laimbeer to name a few.

Quite a few Celtics faithful would be on a list like this. Don Nelson, Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey, KC Jones.

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Andre Iguodala is right up there.

Good call.

Battier and Bowen are the two that spring to mind first for me.
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I like the Battier and present day Iguadala (a younger Iguadala put up stats that made him easy to quantify).  I'm going to mention Jason Collins because he always looked like the worst player in the game and maybe the league yet his teams always played better when he was in the game. 

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Tim Duncan
Allen Iverson
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Shane Battier
Leon Powe
Perk
Dana Baros
Toni Kukoc
Rodman
K Rambis
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M Finley
Michael Redd till he got hurt
R Gomes

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Toine
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How hasn't Bill Russell been mentionedl? Wasn't he known for being the ultimate winner when Chamberlain was the ultimate stats guy?
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How hasn't Bill Russell been mentionedl? Wasn't he known for being the ultimate winner when Chamberlain was the ultimate stats guy?

Russell had a very tangible impact. He was repeatedly in the top 10 in the league in rebounds, assists and FG%, and his blocks were tangible even if not recorded.  He possess d a boatload of intangibles, as well, but he was the second most statistically dominant center in his era.


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